Cosell's Comments on the Bills

[Rousseauisnoschmo]

11 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

Peyton Manning is 100% considered one of the greatest quarterbacks to ever play 

 

The most surefire quarterback ever drafted 

 

He didn't even go to his first Super bowl till he was 30 

 

The Buffalo Bills are considered by everybody to be one of the best organizations in football now we're not a dumpster fire

Now I'm even more excited.

[Mikie2times]

4 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

Our injured defense has cost us plenty of times 

 

And it's not a excuse when you have seven fresh injuries from 6 days before going into Arrowhead lol

 

We're not talking injuries from 9 weeks ago which NFL professionals adjust to 

 

We're talking we had seven fresh injuries and we played on a short week .. and lost by three to the AFC champions who had zero defensive starters on the injury report 

 

2 years ago we were so injured we were trotting out AJ Klein at middle linebacker versus the Chiefs where again we lost by three lol

 

Playing replacement level players in a game of inches in a winner-take-all game is truly the difference because we lost by three 

 

We did not lose by two touchdowns

 

FYI the Rams are not A step above the rest of the NFL lol that's a team where I can absolutely see the bills winning because they're not going to be able to stop Josh Allen and McDermott is terrific with two weeks to prepare

Two years in a row we played competitive games in the Wild Card round vs Miami and Pittsburgh who didn't even have a starting QB. I hear the Bengals divisional game in this mix, meanwhile they had the entire OL out. Rice hasn't played for KC in either of the last two playoff games.

 

I know people who discuss this are trying to point out the nuance of the situations, but eventually the results really do need to rule the day. Injuries go both ways and on top of it this regime has a propensity to invest in players with that type of history. A lot of the guys who are out now have been out more times than I can count.   

[Buffalo716]

2 minutes ago, Mikie2times said:

Two years in a row we played competitive games in the Wild Card round vs Miami and Pittsburgh who didn't even have a starting QB. I hear the Bengals divisional game in this mix, meanwhile they had the entire OL out. Rice hasn't played for KC in either of the last two playoff games.

 

I know people who discuss this are trying to point out the nuance of the situations, but eventually the results really do need to rule the day. Injuries go both ways and on top of it this regime has a propensity to invest in players with that type of history. A lot of the guys who are out now have been out more times than I can count.   

Other teams are also putting out their best effort versus us lol the Bengals game is an outlier where we had a player die on the field basically and that could suck a lot of wind out of your sails.. the team was emotionally spent by that playoff game

 

Point stands we went toe to toe with the AFC champions back to back years severely outmanned 

 

That's not even questionable.. we had fresh injuries they did not 

 

And we played them to field goal games with the ball in our hands at the end of the game 

 

That's not getting out coached or out played.. that is right there.. 100% I believe with a healthy team those Chiefs are not beating us 

 

In fact we have the same talent level right now and they're six and seven

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[Mikie2times]

1 minute ago, Buffalo716 said:

Other teams are also putting out their best effort versus us lol the Bengals game is an outlier where we had a player die on the field basically and that could suck a lot of wind out of your sails.. the team was emotionally spent

 

Point stands we went toe to toe with the AFC champions back to back years severely outmanned 

 

That's not even questionable.. we had fresh injuries they did not 

 

And we played them to field goal games with the ball in our hands at the end of the game 

 

That's not getting out coached or out played.. that is right there.. 100% I believe with a healthy team those Chiefs are not beating us 

 

In fact we have the same talent level right now and they're six and seven

So we would have beat Miami with Tua starting when we won 34-31? How would of a home loss in the wild card to Miami changed your outlook? 

[Billsfanatic8989]

19 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

Our injured defense has cost us plenty of times 

 

And it's not a excuse when you have seven fresh injuries from 6 days before going into Arrowhead lol

 

We're not talking injuries from 9 weeks ago which NFL professionals adjust to 

 

We're talking we had seven fresh injuries and we played on a short week .. and lost by three to the AFC champions who had zero defensive starters on the injury report 

 

2 years ago we were so injured we were trotting out AJ Klein at middle linebacker versus the Chiefs where again we lost by three lol

 

Playing replacement level players in a game of inches in a winner-take-all game is truly the difference because we lost by three 

 

We did not lose by two touchdowns

 

FYI the Rams are not A step above the rest of the NFL lol that's a team where I can absolutely see the bills winning because they're not going to be able to stop Josh Allen and McDermott is terrific with two weeks to prepare

Cool.

 

Bottom line is the defense has cost the team more often than not. Injured or not. We don't need to make excuses. 

[Buffalo716]

Just now, Mikie2times said:

So we would have beat Miami with Tua starting when we won 34-31? How would of a home loss in the wild card to Miami changed your outlook? 

 

I was at that game and literally out game them by 200 yards 

 

Score was not indicative of the game... They played valiantly with a backup quarterback 

 

It still was not indicative of the final score 

 

We didn't lose but if we did sure that would make you rethink things.. but we out gain them by 200 yards the score was not indicative of the actual game

[Mikie2times]

Just now, Buffalo716 said:

 

I was at that game and literally out game them by 200 yards 

 

Score was not indicative of the game... They played valiantly with a backup quarterback 

 

It still was not indicative of the final score 

 

We didn't lose but if we did sure that would make you rethink things.. but we out gain them by 200 yards the score was not indicative of the actual game

On one hand you use injuries to absolve us under all sorts of hypotheticals but on the other you can't even acknowledge that if treated equally we would have lost in the Wild Card at home vs Miami. You can't possibly hold both views in a logical way. I understand what happened in the Miami game, but again, you apply what you want to fit your view. Our KC games were were largely dominated statistically by them, but yes, it was very close. Same with Miami but the other way. In the end the issue I have with this thought process is what you're displaying in your responses. It is very one sided and doesn't consider the implications of injuries vs us or in any other situations. It's simply a hypothetical "we would have won if" which then only gets applied to us and nobody else.  Which is why I said the results have to mean something. 

[Buffalo716]

20 minutes ago, Mikie2times said:

On one hand you use injuries to absolve us under all sorts of hypotheticals but on the other you can't even acknowledge that if treated equally we would have lost in the Wild Card at home vs Miami. You can't possibly hold both views in a logical way. I understand what happened in the Miami game, but again, you apply what you want to fit your view. Our KC games were were largely dominated statistically by them, but yes, it was very close. Same with Miami but the other way. In the end the issue I have with this thought process is what you're displaying in your responses. It is very one sided and doesn't consider the implications of injuries vs us or in any other situations. It's simply a hypothetical "we would have won if" which then only gets applied to us and nobody else.  Which is why I said the results have to mean something. 

By your standing you think just because they played their backup they would score more than 31 

 

But FYI the dolphins scored more with their backup than their average with tua... Nothing says tua comes in and scores 37

 

Yet maybe the bills took Skyler Thompson lightly and thought they could just waltz to a victory and then they showed up to a dog fight because it's the NFL playoffs 

 

We literally out gained Kansas City in our playoff game last year.. they did not statistically dominate us 

 

Sure tua is better than Skyler.. these are also professionals with egos.. maybe they took him slightly for granted.. he was sub 50% completion lol 

 

Josh also threw a pick six.. that's a big momentum swing in the playoffs 

 

The score was not indicative of the Bills dolphins playoff game .. that is true

 

We outgained the Chiefs last year and had the ball at the end to Win or tie.. versus a team that was at two straight Super bowls before that game 

 

They had zero defensive starters on the injury report we had seven fresh injuries including losing Christian Benford and our best safety 

 

Elam got abused because he was forced to play.. that's a three-point difference right there

 

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[newcam2012]

3 hours ago, folz said:

 

 

They aren't one of the most talented teams in the league, they aren't that good overall from a talent perspective.

I think we all know this, we've done the comparisons of number of pro-bowlers per squad, etc. But a cursory glance at stud players also does not take into account depth, coaching, culture and other factors that balance things out a bit (oh yeah, and having Josh).

 

They lack  play makers on both sides of the ball

This is debatable. Are there other teams with more playmakers? Absolutely, no doubt. But I would say that at least Cook and Kincaid (if he could stay healthy) are playmakers. Ty Johnson is a backup, but he consistently makes some big plays (when getting touches). On defense, is Benford becoming a playmaker? I'd say so looking at the last couple of weeks. Shaq has been making some big tackles. Ed will be coming back. Bosa has made some pretty big plays. And, again, we have Josh (I know he meant beyond Josh, but Josh is almost  like having two playmakers). Do we have a lot of guys that are say top 5 at their position or guys that have to be specifically schemed against, no (well, probably just Josh and Cook...and maybe Bosa---not top 5, but possibly needing to be schemed against). But, sometimes the whole is more than the sum of the parts.

 

very poor WR core and Kalir is more of a WR3

Not sure those were his exact words, but again, it's not something that we didn't already know. Shakir is more of a slot receiver (which is usually considered your #3 guy). And beyond Shakir, yes, it is a weak group in comparison. But, again, you have to look at the makeup of the whole team and the reasons behind everything. First of all, we have Josh. Secondly, we are a heavier run team (top two in rushing attempts, #1 in yards, #2 in rushing TDs). We have three very good TEs, who are currently second in the league for TE receiving yards and 3rd in the league for TDs by TEs (and that's with Kincaid missing 4-1/2 games). There aren't as many balls to go around to our WRs as on other teams. Plus, being a run team, we want our receivers to be able to block well. They don't all do that well. Are the Chiefs expecting Worthy to be a great blocker for the run game? Not saying I don't want or don't think we need improvement to our WR room, but we are probably better off trying to find one in the draft.

 

People make it seem like it's easy to just go out and get a stud WR. How many guys in the league even fit in that category? Maybe 15-23 or so (so, a number of teams don't have a true stud #1).

 

This past off-season, only two stud receivers were available via FA or trade. Adams and Lamb. First of all, 31 other teams also wanted those guys. Secondly, holding late draft picks is a disadvantage even in trades. Other teams 1st or 2nd round picks are higher and of more value than ours. Also, we have been a little low on assets the last couple of years---it is just the part of the cycle we are in for a team that maintains success over a long period of time. You start losing guys to age, free agency, injuries, etc. Contracts come home to roost from seasons where you tried to hold everything together, etc. There is a cycle in trying to maintain success (are the Chiefs not going through a similar cycle right now?). Then you also have to factor in (at least for FA) does that stud receiver even want to come to a run-first team that throws a lot of balls to the RBs and TEs and that plays outside in the cold? Or would they rather go to the Rams and Cowboys who are going to be chucking the ball around their domes, giving you a ton more targets, etc. Playing with Josh I think would be a big draw, but you'd have to have a mature WR who isn't as worried about his own stats as he is about winning and who is also a willing blocker in the run game. Also, I looked back a few years and it is pretty much an average that usually there are only two (possibly three) stud receivers available each year via FA or trade (again, with 31 other teams also vying for their services).

 

Believe me, I would love to see a stud receiver on the team---added to the RBs and TEs, this offense might be unstoppable. But I also get that it isn't just as easy as saying go out and get one. Should Beane take more shots (especially in the draft), sure I'm on board for that. I was hoping we'd trade up for Brian Thomas, Jr. last year (not sure if that would have been a good move or not. Good rookie year. But having a bit of a sophomore slump. Plus we would have had to trade from 31 to 23). Ladd was there for the taking, but we didn't need a slot (hindsight, who cares, right? But at the time...currently he's on pace for about 900 yards this year---about 250 yards less than last year). And this year, our only real chance was to move up from 28 to 16 for Egbuka (probably would have taken our 2nd and 4th at least). After that, the only guys available in round 2 were Jayden Higgins, Luther Burden, Tre Harris, and Jack Bech (currently Burden has the best stats of that group with 395 and 1 TD, so...). Plus, to move up for a guy, you have to be pretty sure that that's the guy you want and expect to be a stud to give up that much. Plus, you have other positions of need as well, with other players on the board  that maybe you have rated higher, etc.

 

I do hope we see a big improvement in the WR room next year (we should at least have more money for it), but I also think we can still win with what we got this year (especially with a wide open AFC and no real dominant teams league-wide). Not to bring up Rex, but the playoffs will be time for the Bills to play bully ball. Run it down their throats, keep emphasizing toughness and turnovers on the defense, and let Josh loose when needed.

 

Just trying to have some perspective and some optimism. Go Bills!

Love the optimism. Solid post. The thing that really sticks out to me though is how you talk about the Bills running game. To paraphrase, you believe the Bills are a run first team and have a very strong running game. Probably due to a strong oline and annex excellent RB Cook. Throw in good run zone and gap schemes too. Sound about right?

 

I just don't think this is the best offensive philosophy to have. The Bills have over emphasized the running game at the expense of the passing game. Their offense is very script dependent. Don't get me wrong the running game is important and a good offense can't be only a run or pass team. You need both obviously.

 

I'd rather have Allen throwing the ball to dynamic WRs who can be effective with yards after the catch, pick up chunk plays, take it to the house, etc...You get the point. Give Allen weapons and don't take the ball out of his hands. When you have Josh Allen you give him WR weapons, vertical threats, quick strike offense. This will open up the running game. 

 

In short, I really dislike the Bills offensive philosophy. Yes the stats are still very good but it's obvious why. 

 

Go Bills. 

[Beck Water]

8 hours ago, newcam2012 said:

Just listened to Greg Cossell in the Colin Cowherd show. He was asked about what he thought about the Bills. I think this guy really knows his football.

 

Here's what he basically said. Not a great listen as a Bills fan. They aren't one of the most talented teams in the league, they aren't that good overall from a talent perspective, they lack  play makers on both sides of the ball, very poor WR core and Kalir is more of a WR3, , have to scheme up offense, and rely on Josh being Superman which is hard to be sustainable and win like that. 

 

I know it's just one guys opinion but this guy really knows his football. Doesn't mean the Bills can't win it all. Nevertheless, this was pretty eye opening and deflating. What do you think? 

 

Greg Cosell 100% knows his football.  On the other hand, he watches 32 teams and he doesn't have his finger on the pulse of the injury report for each of them.

We lack playmakers on defense because Oliver and Hoecht and guys we hoped for help from like Carter and Strong are on IR and because playmakers like Bosa, Bishop, and Bernard are injured and it's been a freakin' revolving door all season.  Kincaid is a playmaker who has missed a lot of time on offense.
 

He's completely right about the very poor WR core and Kaiir being a WR3.

 

There's also the saying, "you can't measure heart".  

[Buffalo716]

1 minute ago, Beck Water said:

 

Greg Cosell 100% knows his football.  On the other hand, he watches 32 teams and he doesn't have his finger on the pulse of the injury report for each of them.

We lack playmakers on defense because Oliver and Hoecht and guys we hoped for help from like Carter and Strong are on IR and because playmakers like Bosa, Bishop, and Bernard are injured and it's been a freakin' revolving door all season.  Kincaid is a playmaker who has missed a lot of time on offense.
 

He's completely right about the very poor WR core and Kaiir being a WR3.

 

There's also the saying, "you can't measure heart".  

Kincaid has the third most yards per route ran by any tight end in NFL history this year 

 

Keeping him healthy is the difference between a Super bowl run and leaving un Happy

[HamptonBillsfan]

What Greg didn’t say is that the Bills can score 30 with the pedestrian roster because Josh and Cook can move the ball with alacrity up and down the field against any team. If the defense can either get a few stops or a few TOs , any game is winnable. Cosell sees the wide receivers struggle to get open and the O -line get pushed around against Houston and naturally he concludes the offense is devoid of talent. Bottom line, best QB/RB tandem, best TE room and a solid O-line, do you think any fanbase in the AFC would sign for that right now.

[L Ron Burgundy]

7 minutes ago, Beck Water said:

 

Greg Cosell 100% knows his football.  On the other hand, he watches 32 teams and he doesn't have his finger on the pulse of the injury report for each of them.

We lack playmakers on defense because Oliver and Hoecht and guys we hoped for help from like Carter and Strong are on IR and because playmakers like Bosa, Bishop, and Bernard are injured and it's been a freakin' revolving door all season.  Kincaid is a playmaker who has missed a lot of time on offense.
 

He's completely right about the very poor WR core and Kaiir being a WR3.

 

There's also the saying, "you can't measure heart".  

Many teams have worse injury situations than us.  This horse has been beat down to atoms.  10 years from now if Josh doesn't have a ring people like you will say injuries when it's just being deathly afraid of change.  

[newcam2012]

52 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

Other teams are also putting out their best effort versus us lol the Bengals game is an outlier where we had a player die on the field basically and that could suck a lot of wind out of your sails.. the team was emotionally spent by that playoff game

 

Point stands we went toe to toe with the AFC champions back to back years severely outmanned 

 

That's not even questionable.. we had fresh injuries they did not 

 

And we played them to field goal games with the ball in our hands at the end of the game 

 

That's not getting out coached or out played.. that is right there.. 100% I believe with a healthy team those Chiefs are not beating us 

 

In fact we have the same talent level right now and they're six and seven

Do you need to be reminded of 13 seconds? 

[Buffalo716]

5 minutes ago, newcam2012 said:

Do you need to be reminded of 13 seconds? 

 

You must be so cool! So a Hall of Fame quarterback a hall of fame wide receiver and a hall of fame tight end made two plays lol

 

That's why the games never over... It was three Hall of famers that connected on the two plays 

 

And it was sloppy tackling that let them get those yards.. the coaches aren't missing tackles on Tyreek Hill 

 

You're also making my point even more.. that game the Chiefs lost two players.. and Gabe Davis looked like Jerry Rice 

 

The Buffalo Bills have played the Chiefs without 2-3 starters multiple times and never made an average player look like Jerry Rice 

 

They can't handle injuries as good as we can

 

You thought you had a smart quip but it actually is going to bite you back because the Chiefs couldn't handle two injuries lol the bills have never made an average Chiefs player look like Jerry Rice 

 

The bills also didn't get the ball in the playoffs and the entire NFL changed the rules because of that.. Josh Allen had to be screwed before they changed the rules

Edited 44 minutes ago by Buffalo716

[JohnNord]

8 hours ago, newcam2012 said:

Just listened to Greg Cossell in the Colin Cowherd show. He was asked about what he thought about the Bills. I think this guy really knows his football.

 

Here's what he basically said. Not a great listen as a Bills fan. They aren't one of the most talented teams in the league, they aren't that good overall from a talent perspective, they lack  play makers on both sides of the ball, very poor WR core and Kalir is more of a WR3, , have to scheme up offense, and rely on Josh being Superman which is hard to be sustainable and win like that. 

 

I know it's just one guys opinion but this guy really knows his football. Doesn't mean the Bills can't win it all. Nevertheless, this was pretty eye opening and deflating. What do you think? 

LOL…Khalir

[BuffaloBillsGospel2014]

Pretty much what some of us were saying at the beginning of the season. I was really hoping they would load up on offense as Davante Adams was a free agent, George Pickins was traded for a 3rd and a swap of late round picks. Those 2 additions with Cook , our tight ends and this OL would have been dominating. I know people will say we didn't have the cap space but all we had to do was not sign WR Joshua Palmer, CB Tre White, DT Larry Ogunjobi, LB/DE Michael Hoecht and we could have fit those 2 in with maybe a tweak to a contract here and there. Instead we went heavy on defense and now either everyone is hurt or under performing or both and Allen has no talent or very little to work with in a year that we may not see Mahomes, Jackson or Burrow for the first time ever.... This is yet another blunder by this staff imo.

[Old Coot]

8 hours ago, HOUSE said:

I tried to block the guy but  just won't go away

Cosell is unblockable. We should sign him to our roster as a DE.

[newcam2012]

10 minutes ago, HamptonBillsfan said:

What Greg didn’t say is that the Bills can score 30 with the pedestrian roster because Josh and Cook can move the ball with alacrity up and down the field against any team. If the defense can either get a few stops or a few TOs , any game is winnable. Cosell sees the wide receivers struggle to get open and the O -line get pushed around against Houston and naturally he concludes the offense is devoid of talent. Bottom line, best QB/RB tandem, best TE room and a solid O-line, do you think any fanbase in the AFC would sign for that right now.

Have to disagree with your take here. The Bills offense isn't as good as you as you portray. There have been many games where this offense hasn't looked good. It hasn't been long when this offense for lack of a better word looked like dog poop. There are several reasons why. You can pick amongst them. I'm not saying it sucks but I don't view it as an elite offense. It's as good as it is mainly because of Allen and Cook. I don't think teams fear or game plan for Kincaid or anyone else. 

 

I do look forward to playoff Josh Allen. He's been a beast thus far and I'm hoping that continues. He will have to be superman for this team to make a super bowl run. 

 

Go Bills!!!

 

 

[Buffalo716]

1 minute ago, newcam2012 said:

Have to disagree with your take here. The Bills offense isn't as good as you as you portray. There have been many games where this offense hasn't looked good. It hasn't been long when this offense for lack of a better word looked like dog poop. There are several reasons why. You can pick amongst them. I'm not saying it sucks but I don't view it as an elite offense. It's as good as it is mainly because of Allen and Cook. I don't think teams fear or game plan for Kincaid or anyone else. 

 

I do look forward to playoff Josh Allen. He's been a beast thus far and I'm hoping that continues. He will have to be superman for this team to make a super bowl run. 

 

Go Bills!!!

 

 

Kincaid has the third highest yards per route ran in NFL history for a season for a tight end 

 

That's crazy to think if you don't think people are going to game plan for him lol

 

He literally was a focal point as a rookie that defensive coordinators would game plan against and he's much better today

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