SHOULD the Bills pick up Dalton Kincaid’s 5th year option?

[Special K]

12 minutes ago, EmotionallyUnstable said:

I didn’t see a brace on the knee today? Maybe it was precautionary, helping the hammy heal?

 

Looked good out there to me.......maybe the knee brace was gamesmanship by the Bills to keep the Bengals guessing??

[Nephilim17]

Option, for sure.

But to me, he's the offensive Milano: better than average player who makes some big plays — but can't stay healthy.

See if he can stack together at least 14 or 15 games next season. If he can't, I'd be wary of extending him for big bucks.

[YodaMan79]

I voted to let him walk. I’ve said for years that Mike Gesicki brings essentially the same skill set for a fraction of the cost. And if you think this is a recency-bias take, go search the forum threads, I’ve been consistent on this.

 

Why pay a premium for production you can get on the open market?

 

[Augie]

11 minutes ago, YodaMan79 said:

I voted to let him walk. I’ve said for years that Mike Gesicki brings essentially the same skill set for a fraction of the cost. And if you think this is a recency-bias take, go search the forum threads, I’ve been consistent on this.

 

Why pay a premium for production you can get on the open market?

 

 

Why pay an up and comer who is improving his blocking to become a cornerstone, when you could have a guy who will be 31 next year who plays a one trick blocking-allergic pony in the NFL? 

 

Let me think about it. 

[Ethan in Cleveland]

Pass on the option. Make him play out next year and then let him go. Get a 3rd round comp pick. They need two WRs and they are not letting Allen's best friend Knox go anywhere. 

[ColoradoBills]

6 hours ago, wppete said:

Franchise tag him when it’s time? 

 

5th-year option is $8.7M

Franchise Tag is $15.8M

 

You pick up the option next spring and hope his health will not become an issue again.

[Alphadawg7]

I’m torn to be honest - Knox is a good TE and Hawes is an elite blocker and been usable as a pass catcher too.  
 

Knox issue is he doesn’t start and is used more as a blocker now with Kincaid on the roster.  I don’t know we miss a lot running Knox and Hawes than by running Kincaid and Knox.  
 

Kincaid is the superior pass catcher no doubt of the 3, but I don’t know if we need to spend the money when we still have 2 other good TEs who stay healthier.

 

So for me, I voted extend on the cheap because I think that is what will happen.  BUT my personal take is show us what you have the rest of this year.  We are still waiting for Kincaid to become a critical weapon the way Kelce, Gates, Graham, Gronk, Gonzalez, Sharp, etc were at times for their teams.  Kincaid makes some nice plays here and there, but he’s never been some force the other team struggles to stop really like other actual key weapon TEs have been in the past and like how he was supposed to be used here.  

[Augie]

16 minutes ago, Ethan in Cleveland said:

Pass on the option. Make him play out next year and then let him go. Get a 3rd round comp pick. They need two WRs and they are not letting Allen's best friend Knox go anywhere. 

 

So, you don’t want the best possible options for Josh? 

[YodaMan79]

31 minutes ago, Augie said:

 

Why pay an up and comer who is improving his blocking to become a cornerstone, when you could have a guy who will be 31 next year who plays a one trick blocking-allergic pony in the NFL? 

 

Let me think about it. 

 

How old is Kincaid next year? Don’t worry, I’ll help you out: he’s the opposite of Edmunds. How much more upside does a 27-year-old have? He is what he is. No one can argue he’s not above average when available.  He was a questionable first-round pick, and it looks even worse now when you see the production from younger, more talented TEs.

 

There are players hitting free agency every year who can match his output. DK still hasn’t had a single season that tops what Gesicki has done multiple times. I’m using Gesicki as an example, not necessarily pounding the table to sign him, though I wouldn’t be against it if a player like him was available.

 

What’s wrong with short-term deals for guys who actually produce? How can you look at the Knox contract and be ready to run that sequel again? If you’re cool paying top-five money to a tweener who struggles to stay on the field, I don’t know what to tell you.

 

For your reference.  If DK had similar production (19,20,21 & 24) we'd be thrilled.  Gesicki has an AAV of 8.5 million.  Goedert will be available in the off-season for likely much less than DK.  

 

 

Edited 19 hours ago by YodaMan79

[Ethan in Cleveland]

1 minute ago, Augie said:

 

So, you don’t want the best possible options for Josh? 

Pretty sure I said they need two WRs. They have Kincaid next year and then you draft WR in rounds 1 and 3. Bring back Shakir and Palmer. Let Samuel go. Trade Coleman for a 7th. Shavers is #5. 

I am an unabashed Knox guy. He was my second favorite player on the team after Allen. Now its Cook but Knox is still top 5 fav. Beane for all his cap mismanagement has gotten a couple guys to take home town discounts to stay (Morse and Von come to mind). Hopefully Knox knows how good he has it and takes a reasonable pay cut on a new 3 year deal. 

 

Use the rest of the draft on Edge, Safety, IOL, and LB.

[Augie]

6 minutes ago, Ethan in Cleveland said:

Pretty sure I said they need two WRs. They have Kincaid next year and then you draft WR in rounds 1 and 3. Bring back Shakir and Palmer. Let Samuel go. Trade Coleman for a 7th. Shavers is #5. 

I am an unabashed Knox guy. He was my second favorite player on the team after Allen. Now its Cook but Knox is still top 5 fav. Beane for all his cap mismanagement has gotten a couple guys to take home town discounts to stay (Morse and Von come to mind). Hopefully Knox knows how good he has it and takes a reasonable pay cut on a new 3 year deal. 

 

Use the rest of the draft on Edge, Safety, IOL, and LB.

 

I honestly believe Knox will restructure to stay. If he doesn’t, no hard feelings. We have THREE quality TE’s now, so that means options. Options are good if we use them wisely. 

10 minutes ago, YodaMan79 said:

 

How old is Kincaid next year? Don’t worry, I’ll help you out: he’s the opposite of Edmunds. How much more upside does a 27-year-old have? He is what he is. No one can argue he’s not above average when available.  He was a questionable first-round pick, and it looks even worse now when you see the production from younger, more talented TEs.

 

There are players hitting free agency every year who can match his output. DK still hasn’t had a single season that tops what Gesicki has done multiple times. I’m using Gesicki as an example, not necessarily pounding the table to sign him, though I wouldn’t be against it if a player like him was available.

 

What’s wrong with short-term deals for guys who actually produce? How can you look at the Knox contract and be ready to run that sequel again? If you’re cool paying top-five money to a tweener who struggles to stay on the field, I don’t know what to tell you.

 

For your reference.  If DK had similar production (19,20,21 & 24) we'd be thrilled.  Gesicki has an AAV of 8.5 million.  Goedert will be available in the off-season for likely much less than DK.  

 

 

 

Don’t worry, I don’t need your help. 

[YodaMan79]

11 minutes ago, Augie said:

 

I honestly believe Knox will restructure to stay. If he doesn’t, no hard feelings. We have THREE quality TE’s now, so that means options. Options are good if we use them wisely. 

 

Don’t worry, I don’t need your help. 

 

"Up-and-comer"… lol. And calling another TE a one-trick pony? That’s rich.  

 

Glad you have a hunch with nothing tangible to back it up.

Edited 18 hours ago by YodaMan79

[BullBuchanan]

16 hours ago, Augie said:

 

Why pay an up and comer who is improving his blocking to become a cornerstone, when you could have a guy who will be 31 next year who plays a one trick blocking-allergic pony in the NFL? 

 

Let me think about it. 

If he' still "up and coming" after 3 injury riddled seasons, that's a problem worth factoring in. He should be arrived by now given the investment. We shouldn't continue throwing good money after bad hoping that a guy will turn the corner on his high-priced deal. I'd rather pay more for a proven commodity. We've already seen from Beane's deals that he doesn't get hometown discounts on his guys, so let Kincaid see what his market is and if you still want him, pay the price.

Personally, I'd rather continue to invest in Hawes development. I think he has the skills to flourish in this scheme. He plays the most of any TE right now, and his touchdown was magic.

[Augie]

1 hour ago, BullBuchanan said:

If he' still "up and coming" after 3 injury riddled seasons, that's a problem worth factoring in. He should be arrived by now given the investment. We shouldn't continue throwing good money after bad hoping that a guy will turn the corner on his high-priced deal. I'd rather pay more for a proven commodity. We've already seen from Beane's deals that he doesn't get hometown discounts on his guys, so let Kincaid see what his market is and if you still want him, pay the price.

Personally, I'd rather continue to invest in Hawes development. I think he has the skills to flourish in this scheme. He plays the most of any TE right now, and his touchdown was magic.

 

Would you prefer someone who’s is stagnant? I wouldn’t, I like players who keep improving. Kincaid by all accounts has improved his blocking, and I appreciate that dedication. Injuries happen in the NFL.  

 

I’m as excited about Hawes as anyone. I think the real question at TE is going to be Knox, and I hope he takes a pay cut to stay so we can be loaded at the position. If not, I don’t see him here next year on the current contract.  

[BullBuchanan]

47 minutes ago, Augie said:

 

Would you prefer someone who’s is stagnant? I wouldn’t, I like players who keep improving. Kincaid by all accounts has improved his blocking, and I appreciate that dedication. Injuries happen in the NFL.  

 

I’m as excited about Hawes as anyone. I think the real question at TE is going to be Knox, and I hope he takes a pay cut to stay so we can be loaded at the position. If not, I don’t see him here next year on the current contract.  

As a team who is trying to compete for a championship, I want two types of players: reliable/consistent players with weaknesses we can protect/conceal, and superstars. I don't have room on my roster for "top 15" type players. Guys like Groot, Oliver, and Knox all eat up too much of the cap for what they provide, and the same can be said for our approach of loading up on 2nd tier talent at WR. 

Kincaid is firmly in the 2nd-tier player camp so far. He'll cost you almost as much as the 1st tier guys while giving you none of that upside. His camp will probably use McBride's deal as a comp, and the Bills will probably have to fight to keep it around Hock's deal of $16.5M a year. **** that. I can count the amount of great games he's had on one hand, and he's had zero truly dominating ones.

Let him go and pay a rookie 1M a year and/or sign Goedert for a couple year.