Over Coming Injuries Deserve a At A Boy IMHO for This Staff This Season !!

[Kwai San]

58 minutes ago, hondo in seattle said:

I acknowledge, though, that there are players who, no matter how much or well you coach them, will screw up come gametime.  

 

Case in point - Dion Dawkins.....as my wife says good for AT LEAST one penalty per game, sadly it seems like the worst time to have it too......weird he bounced back so quickly from the brain knocker......I was allowing myself to see him as addition by subtraction.  Rapp is a PERFECT example of this....once he was out.....Bishop really came on.....

[MJS]

I don't think you are allowed to say nice things about the coaches and staff. You have to call for them to be fired. You are only allowed to say nice things about Josh Allen.

25 minutes ago, Kwai San said:

 

Case in point - Dion Dawkins.....as my wife says good for AT LEAST one penalty per game, sadly it seems like the worst time to have it too......weird he bounced back so quickly from the brain knocker......I was allowing myself to see him as addition by subtraction.  Rapp is a PERFECT example of this....once he was out.....Bishop really came on.....

Maybe he gets a penalty here and there, but he is still a really good player. He was ELITE last year. One of the best in the NFL. He hasn't been as good this year, but he is still a good starter.

[Kwai San]

2 minutes ago, MJS said:

I don't think you are allowed to say nice things about the coaches and staff. You have to call for them to be fired. You are only allowed to say nice things about Josh Allen.

Maybe he gets a penalty here and there, but he is still a really good player. He was ELITE last year. One of the best in the NFL. He hasn't been as good this year, but he is still a good starter.

 

I jus can't bring myself to call him ELITE.  Good to very good yes.  ELITE.....I just cannot go there  And now you are gonna make me look this up.  Cuz damn near every game my wife and I laugh about it.....Yup - Dion with ANOTHER penalty.

[MJS]

46 minutes ago, folz said:

 

Just adding a little to your case...

 

A usual response is, "Yeah, well all teams have injuries, it's the NFL." So, I looked to see if the Bills indeed have been hit harder than many other teams.

 

 

The following article (from three days ago, so current) tries to figure out which NFL team has been hit hardest this season by injury. They do not just look at number of players on IR and total games missed, etc. They try to weigh in the actual value of the player to the team by a metric they call "Total Points Value." I can't say I looked too deeply into their metric, but they are at least trying to determine the value of a player (so, a second or third string guy that didn't see the field much would have 0 value in their metric), rather than just total number of team injuries.

 

According to their metric, they have the Bills as the 6th hardest hit team in value player injuries. But the Bills actually have the 3rd most missed games by valued players. The reason for the disparity is they weigh losing say a QB like Burrow as more significant than say a WR or another position. Also interesting to note is how they close the article,

 

"The Patriots and Rams are the most fortunate teams so far in terms of health, which sheds a little light on their strong showings this year. The five teams with the fewest Total Points missed due to injury are currently a combined 41-20, compared to 24-37 from the top 5 teams (most Total Points missed due to injury)."

 

https://www.sportsinfosolutions.com/2025/12/03/which-nfl-teams-have-been-most-and-least-affected-by-injuries-in-2025/

Thanks for sharing. It's tough to compare the impact of injuries across the NFL, so this is probably as good as it gets to achieving that. And yeah, losing your starting QB is way more impactful than any other position, so that makes sense.

 

The other tough thing to quantify is players playing hurt. We've had plenty of hobbled players who suit up, but can't play to their normal level.

1 minute ago, Kwai San said:

I jus can't bring myself to call him ELITE.  Good to very good yes.  ELITE.....I just cannot go there  And now you are gonna make me look this up.  Cuz damn near every game my wife and I laugh about it.....Yup - Dion with ANOTHER penalty.

Last year he was elite for sure. Not even a question. He was really, really good. This year he has regressed a bit.

[QLBillsFan]

29 minutes ago, Kwai San said:

 

Case in point - Dion Dawkins.....as my wife says good for AT LEAST one penalty per game, sadly it seems like the worst time to have it too......weird he bounced back so quickly from the brain knocker......I was allowing myself to see him as addition by subtraction.  Rapp is a PERFECT example of this....once he was out.....Bishop really came on.....

DD played poorly vs Texans and got  hurt in that game. I think I would need to see way more of VDM before I say it’s an upgrade. DD moves early as LT speed rush is a concern. I’d like to see him get in better overall shake in the off season. But both OTs played well enough for the Bills not to panic if they need to start. 

[GroteStreet]

1 hour ago, Miyagi-Do Karate said:

I felt at one time that this was a Bills thing, but I think it is a league thing. The injuries across the entire league are alarming, and it seems like multiple causes. 
 

it will never happen, but modifying the TNF set up so teams have a bye the week before seems like it would help cutting down on some injuries. 
 

But I do think a lot of these guys are overtraining in the gym and undertraining re flexibility and mobility. I would love to hear a strength and conditioning coach outline the training regimens for these players. 

The season is too long.  17 games is too many.  Injuries will remain an issue, esp. if the league go to an 18 game season.  

[Kwai San]

1 minute ago, QLBillsFan said:

DD played poorly vs Texans and got  hurt in that game. I think I would need to see way more of VDM before I say it’s an upgrade. DD moves early as LT speed rush is a concern. I’d like to see him get in better overall shake in the off season. But both OTs played well enough for the Bills not to panic if they need to start. 

 

Agree about better shape.....but he is getting long in the tooth....might not be about better shape.  Kromer worked some absolute mastery there in Pitt.  I do not think that is sustainable but after reading the Timmah Graham The Athletic article about Kromer I am beginning to believe he could take my mother and her bridge team and do some damage!!!

[QLBillsFan]

8 minutes ago, GroteStreet said:

The season is too long.  17 games is too many.  Injuries will remain an issue, esp. if the league go to an 18 game season.  

The Thursday games are criminal but that $$$$ train has left the station. That and still some fields that should be fixed are part of the injury concerns. The NFL will look and speak to many safety concerns but they won’t at the expense of $$$$. Not the playing of international games on inferior fields like the Bills Jags in London. That was an egregious safety issue and the league does not care. 

6 minutes ago, Kwai San said:

 

Agree about better shape.....but he is getting long in the tooth....might not be about better shape.  Kromer worked some absolute mastery there in Pitt.  I do not think that is sustainable but after reading the Timmah Graham The Athletic article about Kromer I am beginning to believe he could take my mother and her bridge team and do some damage!!!

In fairness I’ve heard thats the most athletic bridge club in the country.. but that’s just speculation 😂 

Edited Saturday at 10:25 PM by QLBillsFan

[Saint Doug]

6 hours ago, Allen2D̶i̶g̶g̶s̶TBD said:

I think last week vs the Steelers solidified my opinion that Kromer is the best coach on this team. We were down both tackles and ran for 250 against a great defensive front. The run game has been the most consistent element of this team all season.

OL was great for the Steelers, but how do you explain the bloodbath that was the Houston game? In terms of team sack numbers, HOU and PIT are equal at 34. We are at 27, middle of the pack. 

[QLBillsFan]

1 minute ago, Saint Doug said:

OL was great for the Steelers, but how do you explain the bloodbath that was the Houston game? In terms of team sack numbers, HOU and PIT are equal at 34. We are at 27, middle of the pack. 

Poor game adjustments in particular with both OTs getting injured in game. In fairness the Bills almost never help the OTs. But chipping and max was required. Agree it was a huge miss at halftime. I would expect the next game with the Texans will be a much different approach. If they had made adjustments the Bills win.. they almost did anyway. 

[Chaos]

7 hours ago, T master said:

As soon as things don't go their way

Memo: we are nine years in with this management. 

[Miyagi-Do Karate]

45 minutes ago, GroteStreet said:

The season is too long.  17 games is too many.  Injuries will remain an issue, esp. if the league go to an 18 game season.  

Agree, but we have been banged up since like Game 2. 

[chris heff]

2 hours ago, hondo in seattle said:

 

It seems a little weird for a head coach with SB aspirations to choose two first time coordinators to run his offense and defense.  And, yeah, hopefully they learning as they go and continuing improving. 

 

But look at KC in comparison:

 

HC: Reid.  A creative offensive guru, his track record speaks for itself.  

 

DC: Spags.  Some say Spags, a former head coach, is the best DC in the league.  Romo says he needs to be in the coordinator HOF (if there was one).

 

OC: Nagy.  Nagy, the NFL Coach of the Year in 2018, is known for creativity and QB development skills.   

 

Reid/Spags/Nagy might be the most talented, intelligent coaching triumvirate in the league.  

 

I like McD as a head coach but I don't think McDermott/Babich/Brady is in the same tier.  Hopefully, they'll get there.  

I have wondered about this, it truly bothers me. I think that Josh’s performance last season brought Brady this season, that could change and I think Babich is toast. 

[In Summary]

11 hours ago, BuffaloBillyG said:

Just wondering...why? IMO he's fine doing what he is. He's been an OC before and it didn't go well. 

 

To me it would be exactly like the Babich promotion but on the other side of the ball. Babich is a phenomenal coach by all accounts. He's had a lot of success with whatever position group he's been assigned to. He just doesn't have the skill to call a game as a coordinator. Same with Kromer. Some guys aren't meant for the big chair. 

That's Wade Phillips to me. Fantastic 3-4 D coordinator.  Not quite there as a head coach.

[Rousseauisnoschmo]

Amusing post. Not sure that 53 years of futility, eight years under the current administration, qualifies as the second things don't go your way. Hyperbole rules.

[T master]

21 hours ago, transient said:

Ironically, outside of Hoecht, this is a list of players whose absence has had no impact on the team, Jackson, Carter, Owens, or whose absence has actually positively impacted the team, Rapp, Hamlin, Bass. You could actually argue that part of the reason for the turnaround in the secondary is because Rapp’s injury forced McD’s hand in finally getting him off the field, and what do you know, suddenly Bishop looks like the player they thought they were drafting instead of a bust and Poyer, despite his declining athleticism, is actually where he’s supposed to be on the field. 

True because some were hurt and never had the chance this season to make a difference or be possibly coached up to do that later in the season so we will never know the what if about any of them .

 

Carter was a player that they were depending on as a up & coming rotational player on the D line and if here they wouldn't have had to call a couple of the older guys up which a lot of people here complain about even though they are doing okay but because of his age he may have been better than them .

 

I agree with Rapp & Hamlin I think the team is better off now than with them and if Bass was healthy being younger he may have been better than who they brought in to take his place but again we will never know .

[T master]

16 hours ago, folz said:

 

Just adding a little to your case...

 

A usual response is, "Yeah, well all teams have injuries, it's the NFL." So, I looked to see if the Bills indeed have been hit harder than many other teams.

 

 

The following article (from three days ago, so current) tries to figure out which NFL team has been hit hardest this season by injury. They do not just look at number of players on IR and total games missed, etc. They try to weigh in the actual value of the player to the team by a metric they call "Total Points Value." I can't say I looked too deeply into their metric, but they are at least trying to determine the value of a player (so, a second or third string guy that didn't see the field much would have 0 value in their metric), rather than just total number of team injuries.

 

According to their metric, they have the Bills as the 6th hardest hit team in value player injuries. But the Bills actually have the 3rd most missed games by valued players. The reason for the disparity is they weigh losing say a QB like Burrow as more significant than say a WR or another position. Also interesting to note is how they close the article,

 

"The Patriots and Rams are the most fortunate teams so far in terms of health, which sheds a little light on their strong showings this year. The five teams with the fewest Total Points missed due to injury are currently a combined 41-20, compared to 24-37 from the top 5 teams (most Total Points missed due to injury)."

 

https://www.sportsinfosolutions.com/2025/12/03/which-nfl-teams-have-been-most-and-least-affected-by-injuries-in-2025/

I understand where they are coming from with their equations but given that the Bills D has such a heavy rotation and the fact that second year players like Carter that was trending up and could have been a difference maker is something they can't put into that equation because they or the Bills can't know what his production could have been .

 

Especially along side Walker the rookie DT that could have been a very dynamic pairing with Ed on one side and Carter on the other so it's slightly flawed in that respect but I get where they are coming from & it helps to let those like my self know a little better the effects of these losses of players .

[T master]

15 hours ago, Chaos said:

Memo: we are nine years in with this management. 

And some of you have been complaining since day 1 and you have to take into consideration ALL of the factors not just the bad calls by coaches or possible player not lining up where they were suppose to like the 13 second game, but injuries, bad refereeing, players not doing their jobs, and other things. 

 

But you all seem to jump right to It's Beane & McD FIRE THEM every time ... There are no other problems and if you think that with this many injuries this season that it in no way has changed the course of this team and what it could have been your 100% wrong !!!

 

We will never know if the decisions made on draft picks, and players that couldn't contribute say with Ed & Hoecht on the field with Strong in the back field would have been a really good D because they are hurt . 

 

So I would rather see IF Beane and his staff were on the right path instead of not taking into consideration ALL of the info before throwing the baby out with the bath water and those that can't see go become a Browns fan and see what the Bills have instead of constantly complaining !!

[T master]

17 hours ago, hondo in seattle said:

 

It seems a little weird for a head coach with SB aspirations to choose two first time coordinators to run his offense and defense.  And, yeah, hopefully they learning as they go and continuing improving. 

 

But look at KC in comparison:

 

HC: Reid.  A creative offensive guru, his track record speaks for itself.  

 

DC: Spags.  Some say Spags, a former head coach, is the best DC in the league.  Romo says he needs to be in the coordinator HOF (if there was one).

 

OC: Nagy.  Nagy, the NFL Coach of the Year in 2018, is known for creativity and QB development skills.   

 

Reid/Spags/Nagy might be the most talented, intelligent coaching triumvirate in the league.  

 

I like McD as a head coach but I don't think McDermott/Babich/Brady is in the same tier.  Hopefully, they'll get there.  

True but you have to look at where & what those coaches have went through to be the coaches that they now are at some point they had to get the opportunity to show the skills that they had learned while in lets say their understudy roles and if they didn't they may have never made it to where they are .

 

Practical hands on experience is the best teacher and there is NO WAY book learning will ever trump that .