Sean apologists... If McD gets fired without ever winning a Super Bowl, you will...

[Slack_in_MA]

6 minutes ago, Augie said:

 

Not to mention, if you voted does that mean you are calling yourself a McD apologist? I refuse to be burdened with silly labels. I am not an apologist, nor am I carrying a pitchfork. This is a little too much like the dreaded “P Word” for me. Most people are rational and in the middle somewhere, but they are not the people we hear from the most. There are not just two sides to anything.

 

The funny thing is, if McD won a SB or two, I wouldn’t see him any differently. He gets no pass from me, no lifetime extension. I would judge how the team performs each week and over time. I wouldn’t say “LOOK! I was right!” I’d still be concerned about the shortcomings I see in his coordinator hires, among other things. Since the Frazier hire it’s mostly been clear underlings rather than established minds great on one side of the ball or the other. I’d rather not have guys trying to grow into the job. I don’t love everything about the guy, but I do appreciate the good that has come from his tenure. Hopefully he gets a ring, and I’ll of course be happy, but it’s a process that will continue to move forward. 

Yeah, some people prioritize being "right" above just about anything else. 

 

 

[Mikie2times]

56 minutes ago, ChronicAndKnuckles said:

Randall Cunningham was grossly misused and born in the wrong era. He was Lamar Jackson before LJ. Steve Young is another one that would be an absolute beast in the current NFL. Stats aren’t everything. The Fantasy Football brainwashing continues 

Except you’re just selecting players at random and wrong in your assumptions to boot. As stated, they all made Super Bowls, several on that list made multiple super bowls. Have we made a Super Bowl?

 

Who cares if it was the wrong era for Cunningham? 😂 because ChronicAndKnuckles

declares a guy never made as far as he could because he was born in the wrong decade doesn’t mean he belongs in a list with first ballot half of

fame QB’s. Selective logic, based on lala. 

[ChronicAndKnuckles]

48 minutes ago, Mikie2times said:

Except you’re just selecting players at random and wrong in your assumptions to boot. As stated, they all made Super Bowls, several on that list made multiple super bowls. Have we made a Super Bowl?

 

Who cares if it was the wrong era for Cunningham? 😂 because ChronicAndKnuckles

declares a guy never made as far as he could because he was born in the wrong decade doesn’t mean he belongs in a list with first ballot half of

fame QB’s. Selective logic, based on lala. 

I didn’t select QBs at “random.” Wth ? I listened all qbs with ONE ring. Then I listen ones that i consider great (You’re nitpicking Randall Cunningham?) that couldn’t quite make it over the hump one way or another. My point is high level talent at QB is not always a guarantee to win a SB. What are you not grasping? I feel annoyed that i even had to type this out. 

Edited 19 hours ago by ChronicAndKnuckles

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

I think what the new regime ends up doing would have a big effect on this question too so it’s somewhat tough to answer the day mcd is fired  

 

it could be a Jon gruden bucs situation where everyone that wanted mcd gone could take an epic victory lap or it could be a norv turner  chargers situation which would make it a little murkier 

[Freak-O]

As long as we keep winning the division sooner or later we will go all the way to the Super Bowl. As long as we have a team that competes for the division title every year and makes the playoffs every year I’m happy enough not to want to risk it for something unknown. The only good thing with replacing Beane and McDermott is that the whiners would be quiet. For a few months, then they’d probably start again.

[Jrb1979]

15 minutes ago, Freak-O said:

As long as we keep winning the division sooner or later we will go all the way to the Super Bowl. As long as we have a team that competes for the division title every year and makes the playoffs every year I’m happy enough not to want to risk it for something unknown. The only good thing with replacing Beane and McDermott is that the whiners would be quiet. For a few months, then they’d probably start again.

What if that Super Bowl win never comes? For every one that says if the Bills change regimes that it may fail, it can equally be successful. 

I honestly believe the drought years has hurt the mindset of many fans. Many seem scared that if a change happens, that a return to the drought years is automatic. 

[Mikie2times]

9 hours ago, ChronicAndKnuckles said:

I didn’t select QBs at “random.” Wth ? I listened all qbs with ONE ring. Then I listen ones that i consider great (You’re nitpicking Randall Cunningham?) that couldn’t quite make it over the hump one way or another. My point is high level talent at QB is not always a guarantee to win a SB. What are you not grasping? I feel annoyed that i even had to type this out. 

People can get hit by cars when crossing the road. Doesn’t mean it’s likely people will get hit by a car crossing the road. I just took a random list from NFL.com.
 

Two of Twenty five players have never played in the championship. Most have not only played but won and multiple times.
 

Allen would get added to the list as he will certainly be on it one day if McD and lil Baller keep it up. Citing anomalies as evidence and hand picking players to do so isn’t evidence. 

 

https://www.nfl.com/news/top-25-quarterbacks-of-all-time-patriots-tom-brady-leads-list-0ap3000001035041

[RyanC883]

On 12/2/2025 at 2:48 PM, NewEra said:

There is no point that us as fans have to have an answer.  He made it up.  It was discussion for the sake of discussion.  Our opinion means nothing.  Only Terry’s opinion matters…..and that’s the biggest problem.  That guy hiring the right guy.  
 

i believe we’ll have a chance to win a SB with McD.  I believe there’s a good chance that Terry ****s up and hires the wrong guys that will give us zero chance.

 

if you are already of the opinion that McDermott as HC gives us zero chance to win a SB, so be it.  That’s how you feel and nothing will change your mind.  I’m good with that.  Not trying to change anyone’s mind with something that cannot be proven.  
 

I just see myself as an MCD apologist, but some may disagree.  I just don’t pretend to know things that I cannot know and have an open mind.  

 

nothing wrong with that.  Would be odd if no one was.  The debate is fun.  As you point out, none of us really control it, we may as well have fun debating it between ourselves!  

 

On another point, I'm not really sure who Terry could hire outside a few lazy wack jobs (Rex) that would make this team worse.  And when Rex was hired, the true extent of his nuttiness (and laziness) was not yet known.  

17 hours ago, Freak-O said:

As long as we keep winning the division sooner or later we will go all the way to the Super Bowl. As long as we have a team that competes for the division title every year and makes the playoffs every year I’m happy enough not to want to risk it for something unknown. The only good thing with replacing Beane and McDermott is that the whiners would be quiet. For a few months, then they’d probably start again.

 

this is demonstrably untrue.  See Pittsburgh Steelers with Tomlin.  One SB win with Big Ben, largely based on Cower's teams, no SBs in over 10+ years.  We don't have that time in Allen's prime.  See Chargers with Rivers.  See Denver with Elway prior to coaching change.  

 

Calling those you disagree with "whiners" is also unhelpful.  The through process here is that some coaches are better at certain things than others.  Need a culture reset and a solid foundation to get to playoffs, Tomlin and McD all day.  Need to win a Championship, someone else.  

 

I'm also not sure who you think we could hire that could make a team led by Allen and Cook (and no other blue chip talent on O) worse.  We'd likely have a better roster, better in-game management.  The worst I see it getting is the same (early playoff exit), but at least the exit would be different.  

[NewEra]

1 hour ago, RyanC883 said:

 

nothing wrong with that.  Would be odd if no one was.  The debate is fun.  As you point out, none of us really control it, we may as well have fun debating it between ourselves!  

 

On another point, I'm not really sure who Terry could hire outside a few lazy wack jobs (Rex) that would make this team worse.  And when Rex was hired, the true extent of his nuttiness (and laziness) was not yet known.  

 

this is demonstrably untrue.  See Pittsburgh Steelers with Tomlin.  One SB win with Big Ben, largely based on Cower's teams, no SBs in over 10+ years.  We don't have that time in Allen's prime.  See Chargers with Rivers.  See Denver with Elway prior to coaching change.  

 

Calling those you disagree with "whiners" is also unhelpful.  The through process here is that some coaches are better at certain things than others.  Need a culture reset and a solid foundation to get to playoffs, Tomlin and McD all day.  Need to win a Championship, someone else.  

 

I'm also not sure who you think we could hire that could make a team led by Allen and Cook (and no other blue chip talent on O) worse.  We'd likely have a better roster, better in-game management.  The worst I see it getting is the same (early playoff exit), but at least the exit would be different.  

McDermott is a good coach…there are plenty of people we could hire that would be worse.  

[Jrb1979]

6 minutes ago, NewEra said:

McDermott is a good coach…there are plenty of people we could hire that would be worse.  

He's a good coach for fixing the culture but he's shown he's not one to get a team to a Super Bowl win. 

I'm not a believer in the mindset of "if injuries, luck and plays go our way we can win a Superbowl"