Greg Rousseau has turned out to be a complete slug.

[MPL]

I like that we're mad about Rousseau not getting to the quarterback but glossing over that his running mates are a one-handed Joey Bosa, AJE, two wildly inconsistent rookie DTs, Jordan Phillips, Phi Mathis, and Javon Solomon. I would honestly not be surprised if this dline only recorded 10 more sacks for the rest of year. 

 

[JaCrispy]

Not gonna say I told ya so- but I kinda did…I always said he did not warrant the contract he got…

 

He should not be making more than 12 million per year 

[Kirby Jackson]

My post magically disappeared. Let’s try this again. It’s a bad idea to pay role players as if they are high end starters. The Bills did it with Rousseau and Bernard. They did it with Knox before that. Those are the guys that you let walk and find role players much cheaper. 

Edited 3 hours ago by Kirby Jackson

[BADOLBILZ]

23 minutes ago, PetermansRedemption said:

We needed Batman, but we got Bate-man

 

 

You want Batman with the 30th pick in the draft or later?   Then you've got to be willing go to dark places that McBeane do not want to go.   The Chiefs found guys like Tyreek and Chris Jones because they were willing to take character risks.   Rousseau was anything but that.   His floor was high and that's all they've been able to get because they haven't been able to put enough other talent on the DL.

[Mikie2times]

Beane looks at players in a vacuum. If we sign this player now, it has to be cheaper than if we sign them when his contract is up. But he never factors in how common it is for a player to regress when they get paid or how much extra juice you tend to get in a contract year. I wish he would just let most of these guys play out the deals, get the additional information, and then make a decision.

[GoBills!]

Problem is its easier for the O line to blow up the guys next to him or on the other side. I still feel a true 1 tech in the middle eating space is more valueable we care to find. If you can jam the middle rushing the ends is much easier task because there is less routes to get away.

[BADOLBILZ]

1 minute ago, Kirby Jackson said:

My posts magically disappeared. Let’s try this again. It’s a bad idea to pay role players as if they are high end starters. The Bills did it with Rousseau and Bernard. They did it with Knox before that. Those are the guys that you let walk and find role players much cheaper. 

 

 

And yet, with that contract he's still their second most valuable asset behind Allen.    He's a top 30 player at a premium position and a guy one could easily see playing another 10 years in the league.   The bar is high because Allen has continued to will them into contention the past few seasons and contenders typically have a number of elite talents.  The Bills just have the one.   Rousseau isn't a $40M-$50M edge but he is in a much different category than Bernard.     

[Kirby Jackson]

5 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

And yet, with that contract he's still their second most valuable asset behind Allen.    He's a top 30 player at a premium position and a guy one could easily see playing another 10 years in the league.   The bar is high because Allen has continued to will them into contention the past few seasons and contenders typically have a number of elite talents.  The Bills just have the one.   Rousseau isn't a $40M-$50M edge but he is in a much different category than Bernard.     

They have an easy out after 2027 too. I just don’t see a lot of value in $20M+ 8 sack guys. I’d rather have a $5M 6 sack guy. 

[Goin Breakdown]

We can attack each other and accuse one another about who knows football and who doesn't all we want. The fact is that somewhere in the middle is the truth. Is he great? Probably not. Is he good?  I'd say so....at some things. Is it scheme? Could be that too. We are all seeing a defense that is under performing and at spots overpaid perhaps. It sucks. Ohh well we're not going to change anything. I'm a prisoner of the moment during games but I'm not forced to watch. 

[Walking Tall]

25 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

My post magically disappeared. Let’s try this again. It’s a bad idea to pay role players as if they are high end starters. The Bills did it with Rousseau and Bernard. They did it with Knox before that. Those are the guys that you let walk and find role players much cheaper. 

100%

[BADOLBILZ]

12 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

They have an easy out after 2027 too. I just don’t see a lot of value in $20M+ 8 sack guys. I’d rather have a $5M 6 sack guy. 

 

Well, that's the market for 8 sack guys who do little else.   Rousseau isn't that.  He's been the best run defending edge in the NFL since he arrived in the league and finished top 10 in the league in TFL last year.   They just gotta' put something competitive on the other side.   They haven't been able to do that.   His $20M won't limit that.  

[Walking Tall]

I’d rather have a light in the pants DT playing Rousseau’s spot for 17 million less.

[Brand J]

There are 3 players who haven’t been negatively affected by getting paid: Ed Oliver, Spencer Brown, James Cook. That’s it. Everyone else who got a bag has taken a step back and become lesser versions of themselves. Don’t know if the hunger is gone, or if they’re just too comfortable, but I don’t think this is what Beane imagined when he was handing out contracts. 

[Sojourner]

16 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

Well, that's the market for 8 sack guys who do little else.   Rousseau isn't that.  He's been the best run defending edge in the NFL since he arrived in the league and finished top 10 in the league in TFL last year.   They just gotta' put something competitive on the other side.   They haven't been able to do that.   His $20M won't limit that.  

Best run defender on the second worst run defense in the league…

 

Stud! Glad we have the best on the worst. 
 

The guy has 3 TFL’s on the season. 3 sacks. 
 

 

[BADOLBILZ]

6 minutes ago, Brand J said:

There are 3 players who haven’t been negatively affected by getting paid: Ed Oliver, Spencer Brown, James Cook. That’s it. Everyone else who got a bag has taken a step back and become lesser versions of themselves. Don’t know if the hunger is gone, or if they’re just too comfortable, but I don’t think this is what Beane imagined when he was handing out contracts. 

 

The common thread is that they all signed their deals in summer after preparing all offseason like this was their walk year.

 

The hay was in the barn.

 

The following year when the extension began Oliver's play dropped off dramatically and he will barely play at all this season.  

 

So far his extension has been a large financial failure.

 

I suspect the Cook extension won't end well either.   It begins next season.   People act like this year was the beginning.  'Twas not.  

 

Spencer has been the good extension.  Hopefully he can return soon after this shoulder setback.

[ChronicAndKnuckles]

3 hours ago, Walking Tall said:

After Greg Rousseau’s 3 sack game against the Cardinals in the 2024 opener, he has played a total of 26 regular season games. In those games he has a total of 8 sacks, with only 6 of those being unassisted. He has 88 total tackles since the beginning of 2024. Last season he had 15 “stuff” tackles which are in the backfield. This year he only has 3 of those.

 

https://www.espn.com/nfl/player/gamelog/_/id/4362506/greg-rousseau

 

This guy is literally become the invisible

man of the defense and it has been going on for almost 2 full seasons. The bad part is they just signed this slug to a big contract and we are stuck with him.

 

On a day where a lot of people are taking deserved heat, Rousseau seems to be a forgotten man. He shouldn’t be. He IS a huge part of the problem on that side of the ball.

maybe one of the reporters can flat out ask McDermott about his lack of production. I’d like to hear an honest answer from the coach.

 

Greg Rousseau is the modern day Chris Kelsay. 

[BillMafia716ix]

They had a rookie LT blocking him. Another highly overpaid player on the defense. I’d seriously look into trading him. 

[BADOLBILZ]

7 minutes ago, Sojourner said:

Best run defender on the second worst run defense in the league…

 

Stud! Glad we have the best on the worst. 
 

The guy has 3 TFL’s on the season. 3 sacks. 
 

 

 

Why run at Rousseau when you can bulldoze Jordan Phillips out of the way or toy with Venus de Bosa?   Even before the wrist injury they were gashing the Bills on Bosa's side.   Hard to get those TFL's when they are running left or center.   Last year Rousseau was 9th in the NFL in TFL's.   The line aside from Rousseau is just getting blown up on the regular.

2 minutes ago, ChronicAndKnuckles said:

Greg Rousseau is the modern day Chris Kelsay. 

 

 

Kelsy was actually terrible against the run his entire career.   The board was much stupider then so there were a lot of people who thought he was a "base DE".   He was a high motor pass rusher and not a good one.

[Walking Tall]

2 hours ago, DCOrange said:

Well I assume they watched him in college rather than just looking at the stats lol. He was always this player and has only gotten better at rushing the passer in the NFL. It was a very well known part of his scouting report in college that he mostly feasted off of the pressures that his teammates generated (and was legitimately good at rushing the passer when he lined up as the DT on 3rd downs but that's not what we drafted him for). Again, it's a valuable skill set to have, but he's never been a guy you expected to just go out and win on the edge.

He has only gotten better at rushing the passer in the NFL?

Nothing says getting better than having an unassisted sack once every 18 quarters in the last 26 games!  
 

Pay the man!

 

Oops.

 

Unfortunately, oops.

 

[Sojourner]

1 hour ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

Why run at Rousseau when you can bulldoze Jordan Phillips out of the way or toy with Venus de Bosa?   Even before the wrist injury they were gashing the Bills on Bosa's side.   Hard to get those TFL's when they are running left or center.   Last year Rousseau was 9th in the NFL in TFL's.   The line aside from Rousseau is just getting blown up on the regular.

 

 

Kelsy was actually terrible against the run his entire career.   The board was much stupider then so there were a lot of people who thought he was a "base DE".   He was a high motor pass rusher and not a good one.

You’re right to some extent but weekly I see plenty of guys in the league make TFL’s on the opposite side of them. 
 

Groot was excellent last year, I’ve acknowledged that on this board and even praised him. This year however is different. He doesn’t see a vast number of double teams and is paid to make plays. Groot is as underwhelming as the rest of them on the line. If was as great as he’s made out to be, that would show up. Sadly for the Bills and Gregory, it doesn’t.