I was at the game and let me tell you what was happening downfield

[MPT]

14 hours ago, CincyBillsFan said:

He threw Davis open near the end but he couldn't get his other foot down in bounds at the 2 yard line.

 

 

 

 

 

Yeah that's a really tough catch over the defender while twisting back toward the sideline. They should have tried that more than once in the game. It would have worked if the ball were placed a little better. 

[SoonerBillsFan]

14 hours ago, gobills404 said:

 

Can somone send this to Terry and explain how bad this is please?

[Alphadawg7]

15 hours ago, Einstein said:

PS, this is what I meant by traffic beaters in my original post.

 

“Running routes for the Bills” is a perfect way to say it.

 

 

This.  This is our worst issue right now IMHO.  We have enough talent to be effective, but not when the OC is failing at his job as bad as Brady has been this year.  Yes, everyone knows we could use a top end WR1 or deep threat, but that doesn't get to be the excuse for Brady when his play calling and adjustments are so bad. 

 

Our offense has gotten so predictable and the blue print to disrupt it has been there all year.  When the league started to figure McVay out, he adjusted and countered.  Brady is not doing a good job at this, nor is he doing a good job to keep the defenses guessing.  It is so easy to tell what we are about to run or call most the game.  

 

Then there is his terrible adjustments, or lack there of:  I was screaming all game to attack short, quick hitters.  Quick drop and fire - screens, slants, short crossers, comebacks, curls, shots to the RBs out of the backfield, etc.  But we were calling stuff constantly that take too long to develop against a pass rush owning our line rushing just 4.  Allen constantly taking deep drops and looking downfield behind a line getting dominated and crushing our QB was one of the dumbest things I have seen him do yet, and she stuck with it until the very end before he finally did something different and attacked quick hits to move the ball the final drive.  

 

This team has issues on it overall - but Brady has gone from a hero (last year) to approaching a zero this year because he doesn't seem to have the answers to what opposing DC's are now doing to disrupt his offense.    

 

Side note:  The WR group out there has been terrible this year on scramble drills too.  I don't understand how this is so bad this year when its been such a big part of our offense for years.  

[MPT]

14 hours ago, Einstein said:

 

Throw them open?

 

How does a QB throw a WR open when the defense is running the route for them? 

 

You’re asking him to throw interceptions. 

 

It's a very common phrase and a very common play. Read the defense and throw the ball where there's going to be space. The receiver can adjust easier than the defender.

 

Edit: For an example, go watch the Josh Palmer catch against the Ravens. Jaire Alexander is "running the route" with Palmer but Allen leads Palmer upfield on a rope where there's space and Jaire can't react fast enough. This happens all the time in the NFL.

Edited 1 hour ago by MPT

[ngbills]

3 minutes ago, SoonerBillsFan said:

Can somone send this to Terry and explain how bad this is please?

And we help making it worse by running all the bunch sets. Why we refuse to spread the field is beyond me. Its like they want the other time to have the option of rushing any of 11 guys and on run plays our guys have to block all these guys. Spread it out and at least limit what the D can do. I think Brady has gotten so obsessed about turning WR's/TE's into run blockers. 

[GroteStreet]

14 hours ago, Madbillsfan said:

Watched from the stands in Atlanta. Nobody could get open. Play calling was trash. We are done. See y’all next year 

hopefully the team gives up on the season, and they have a poor enough finish that Mcdermott and Beane are both gone next year.

[first_and_ten]

15 hours ago, Einstein said:

The one stinky part of watching from a comfy couch (which I prefer) is that you don’t get to see the whole field.

 

You don’t get to see what the QB is looking at.

 

Being at the game, you can. I was there. Where is what I saw: 

 

1) It is tough to describe in words (because people think you’re exaggerating when you’re not) how covered our receiving options were. Texans players were step for step locked in on our receiving options. There were entire series where I don’t think our receivers had an INCH of separation.

 

2) Allen was watching this unfold and has NO WHERE to throw to 99% of the game, and to make matters worse, he was being pressured non-stop. 28 total pressures, I believe was the final number.

 

3) What does superman do when he is being pressured and his receivers can’t get open in a normal (or expedited) amount of time? He scrambles to buy them more time to get open.  But by doing so, he gets sacked - deep. Fans who don’t understand what is happening yell “just throw the ball away!” not realizing that this option simply makes it a punt on 4th and 7 instead of a punt on 4th and 20. It also means you don’t have any super hero plays, like his 3rd and 12 scramble. At one point in the game the Texans fans next to us said “there is nothing he can do” … they were right.

 

4) Brady, for most of the game, kept calling deep crossers, option routes, and traffic beaters. I was pulling my hair out because Allen didn’t have enough time as it was, and Brady had receivers running routes that take 3-5 seconds. On the last 2 drives he finally connected a few neurons and reverted to a shorter route tree and exploited what Houston wasn’t covering (the flats and quick hitters). Magically the offense starting moving the ball.

 

5) Last thing: I think defenses have figured out Brady’s progression scheme. They seem to be leaving coverage after Allen checks off an option in his progression. This sometimes makes an option look open but Allen is no longer looking at them so it doesn’t matter.

 

You will see this when the ALL-22 comes out. It was very frustrating. 

 

 

 

 

Brady has definitely become too predictable. He also drew up a terrible game plan, as he should have anticipated that pass rush. Why don't the Bills have a screen game so as to counter that pass rush? McDermott is just not good enough. 

[PayDaBill$]

15 hours ago, GoBills808 said:

In fairness to our guys that's one of the top defenses in the nfl

Well the top D was still 5 and 5 and we got beat by a 3rd rate qb.

[Scott7975]

11 hours ago, Dafan said:

My problem is, on the 1 pass to win the game, Knox was totally uncovered on the left sideline for a walk in TD.  And Allen threw the ball to Palmer, double covered not even 5 yards of Knox.  Whatever Brady had screwed up the rest of the game...that play was on Allen.

 

That play was coming back on penalty anyways. The reason Knox was open was Davis took out the defender that was going to cover Palmer. The guy that ended up covering Palmer was the defender that would have been on Knox had the ball been thrown that way and the other defender not taken out.

[Scott7975]

9 hours ago, Kaenon said:

Cook was working and was 7 for 76 yards at halftime and into the 3rd quarter before running him again.

 

We tried to get into shootout mode because Brady was still thinking about the 6 TD fireworks performance from last week.

 

Then until the last drive realized he can't call the plays he's called because of the Texans Defense. 

 

Josh very animatedly on the sidelines after a terrible sequence even mouthed, "what are we doing?"

 

He also had a lot of 0, 1, 2 yard gains. Kind of hard to keep using him in those situations because they are behind the sticks. Then Josh makes an inc or takes a sack. They arent going to run the ball on 2nd and 3rd and long. In fact they did run the ball one time on 2nd and long and he got 2 yards which created 3rd and long.

[Scott7975]

7 hours ago, Miyagi-Do Karate said:

This just cements to me the stupidity of the game plan. Why are we trying to run long developing routes and looking for big passing plays AGAINST THIS DEFENSE? 
 

I would have trotted out there 13 personnel, and run heavy set runs, quick dump offs, etc. The only way the Texans beat us is through their defense and special teams/field position. We let them do it by producing so many negative plays on offense.  

 

Because Joe Brady is a poor game planer and his play package is primitive. The other teams knew what we were going to do since Atlanta. No I am not saying it because of that tweet in this thread. I have said it since the Atlanta game. Atlanta at minimum figured out our motions and how to fool Josh and get him to play into the defense.

On a side note: I think this game might have been slightly different if we had Kincaid available. They don't use Knox in the same way and Kincaid has a knack for them short to mid range quick throws and turning them into first downs. I would have liked to have seen more passes to the backs last night. Texans LBers are also very good though.

A lot of people want to blame Josh for everything. I guarantee you if Josh had a real OC and one #1 guy that this team would be nie unstoppable on offense. Sure, Josh has his head scratchers but what QB doesn't? Hell, Id bet just a real OC and this same crew would perform better and we lose maybe 1 game thus far.

Edited just now by Scott7975