Josh Allen doing Josh Allen things, and why we need it

[DapperCam]

I would argue the first int had nothing to do with the game plan or opening it up really. It was the 2nd or 3rd play of the game due to an unblocked rusher.

I would say only one INT was due to opening things up, and it was on 4th down anyway.

[Miyagi-Do Karate]

28 minutes ago, Scott7975 said:

 

No not really. It wasnt all there. Maybe Josh missed some passes but all QBs do. They did take away the run game. Thats a pretty big part of that style of offense. The Bills were not prepared for it.

well, I respectfully disagree after seeing the film. He had anyone he wanted within 5 yards of the LOS, and didn’t want it. The dolphins did a nice job against the run, but the short passing game was there all day. 

[Scott7975]

14 minutes ago, Miyagi-Do Karate said:

well, I respectfully disagree after seeing the film. He had anyone he wanted within 5 yards of the LOS, and didn’t want it. The dolphins did a nice job against the run, but the short passing game was there all day. 

 

Bro, he threw short passes all game long



This short passing dink dunk small ball offense only works if you dont make mistakes. It works if your run game is giving you positive yardage and keeping you ahead of the sticks. It works if your short passes consistently get good YAC. It works if you dont take penalties. It works if you make perfect passes all game long. As soon as a single mistake happens then the drive is over. You cannot play like this in the NFL. 

Edited 2 hours ago by Scott7975

[jlgarsh]

14 hours ago, The Jokeman said:

No coach is going to tell his QB to two hand toss a pass to someone which lead to his first interception. I am sick of fans blaming coaching for players making dumb mistakes. That was Josh trying to do his Mahomes impression to make a play out of nothing which as we saw wasn't wise. 

So you'd rather give up 2 points vs 3 points? Or are you assuming the defense couldn't defend a short field assuming KC would get one on the free kick after the safety?

I’d rather give up a FG and get the ball back than a safety and have to punt to give the team a chance at another TD without seeing the ball.

[Richard Noggin]

The entire organization should immediately be reorganized solely around the concept of maximizing Josh Allen's success over the next 4-6 years. Should have happened after 2021 season, obviously, but I'm even okay if Sean McDermott has some "sudden" phony late awakening in which he realizes there is only one JA17 and his entire career depends on facilitating that QB's success. It ain't about complementary football, outside of needing the defense to limit a sudden change turnover into only 3 of even 0 points, as they did yesterday. 

[Buffalo716]

28 minutes ago, Richard Noggin said:

The entire organization should immediately be reorganized solely around the concept of maximizing Josh Allen's success over the next 4-6 years. Should have happened after 2021 season, obviously, but I'm even okay if Sean McDermott has some "sudden" phony late awakening in which he realizes there is only one JA17 and his entire career depends on facilitating that QB's success. It ain't about complementary football, outside of needing the defense to limit a sudden change turnover into only 3 of even 0 points, as they did yesterday. 

 

Tom Brady won six Super bowls with complimentary football 

 

I wouldn't say it's a terrible strategy... 

 

Sean McDermott does not sign free agents or draft players... He literally gets the groceries and tries to cook them 

 

He does not bring in the ingredients... We've literally lost by a field goal back-to-back years to the Chiefs who went to the sb

 

They're not that far off... No matter what anybody says... We also got them way more banged up in the playoffs 

 

We went in the arrowhead more banged up and lost by three... We are absolutely able to beat them 

 

Even if I want better wide receivers on the team.. this is a salary cap League.. I would not sacrifice our offensive line for flashy wide receivers andgive Allen the burrow treatment 

 

It means nothing to have those flashy toys when you're on your back and getting hurt all the time.. the best ability is availability.. and keeping our offensive line intact is more important than anything 

 

The Patriots won a couple Super bowls on field goals and another one on a goal line pick 6.. it's absolutely smart to care about all three phases ... Brady won Super bowl scoring 13, 24 ,and 20

 

Sometimes you need to win 24-20... Sometimes you need to win 38-35

 

Super bowl teams need to be able to win any style of game... The bills have shown they could win running.. they showed they could win throwing yesterday 

 

It's a long season and people get caught up in the ebbs and flows... Dalton Kincaid would be one of the most talented tight ends in the league if he stayed healthy 

 

Edited 1 hour ago by Buffalo716

[Beck Water]

15 hours ago, ***** said:

Yes I agree.  What I meant was, Josh is having to force it when Brady’s unimaginative and bland game plan and play designs fail to produce anything. 

 

I'm not sure it's Brady's unimaginative game plan, and not the WR skills.

[Richard Noggin]

24 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

 

Tom Brady won six Super bowls with complimentary football 

 

I wouldn't say it's a terrible strategy... 

 

Sean McDermott does not sign free agents or draft players... He literally gets the groceries and tries to cook them 

 

He does not bring in the ingredients... We've literally lost by a field goal back-to-back years to the Chiefs who went to the sb

 

They're not that far off... No matter what anybody says... We also got them way more banged up in the playoffs 

 

We went in the arrowhead more banged up and lost by three... We are absolutely able to beat them 

 

Even if I want better wide receivers on the team.. this is a salary cap League.. I would not sacrifice our offensive line for flashy wide receivers andgive Allen the burrow treatment 

 

It means nothing to have those flashy toys when you're on your back and getting hurt all the time.. the best ability is availability.. and keeping our offensive line intact is more important than anything 

 

The Patriots won a couple Super bowls on field goals and another one on a goal line pick 6.. it's absolutely smart to care about all three phases ... Brady won Super bowl scoring 13, 24 ,and 20

 

Sometimes you need to win 24-20... Sometimes you need to win 38-35

 

Super bowl teams need to be able to win any style of game... The bills have shown they could win running.. they showed they could win throwing yesterday 

 

It's a long season and people get caught up in the ebbs and flows... Dalton Kincaid would be one of the most talented tight ends in the league if he stayed healthy 

 

 

Tom Brady was a very different QB than Josh Allen. Allen is a flesh and blood, authentic human being capable of transcendent performances at the highest levels, and with that one will have to endure some missteps and hiccups and frankly bad reps. Tom Brady, on the other hand, is a pod person or android designed for self-improvement, relentless competitiveness, and repeated fundamental execution. Complementary football made so much sense with Brady, especially early in his career when he wasn't great yet. Allen would be better maximized through a more Daboll-like, attacking approach to offensive football. Can sprinkle in the methodical, physical dominance as the game wears on and hopefully a lead is established. 

 

Edit: if we Bills faithful die without ever seeing a TRULY Allen-centric organizational emphasis, it will be a great injustice. Isn't that why a defensive head coach would make sense? McD should be able to cobble together an opportunistic and aggressive enough defensive roster of hungry young dudes and assignment-sound old dudes to sufficiently complement an Allen-led offensive WAGON on the other side. 

Edited 1 hour ago by Richard Noggin

[Buffalo716]

5 minutes ago, Richard Noggin said:

 

Tom Brady was a very different QB than Josh Allen. Allen is a flesh and blood, authentic human being capable of transcendent performances at the highest levels, and with that one will have to endure some missteps and hiccups and frankly bad reps. Tom Brady, on the other hand, is a pod person or android designed for self-improvement, relentless competitiveness, and repeated fundamental execution. Complementary football made so much sense with Brady, especially early in his career when he wasn't great yet. Allen would be better maximized through a more Daboll-like, attacking approach to offensive football. Can sprinkle in the methodical, physical dominance as the game wears on and hopefully a lead is established. 

Listen I would like some more aggressiveness in the offense absolutely 

 

Give me a little bit of tempo too... But there might be a game in January where cook needs to run 21 times to win ... And Josh might only have 27 throws 

 

You're going to have to be able to do it every single way.. if you don't do it on the regular season you're not going to do it in the postseason... Can you win holding a team under 21? Can you win running without throwing good? Can you win throwing without running good? Can you have a game-winning drive? 

 

All of these things are something a Super bowl champion will have to answer.. and actually the bills have checked it off 

 

But I get what you're saying I do want the ball in Josh's hands more and I do want them to make him more comfortable with better offensive weapons

Edited 1 hour ago by Buffalo716

[Richard Noggin]

2 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

Listen I would like some more aggressiveness in the offense absolutely 

 

Give me a little bit of tempo too... But there might be a game in January where cook needs to run 21 times to win ... And Josh might only have 27 throws 

 

You're going to have to be able to do it every single way.. if you don't do it on the regular season you're not going to do it in the postseason... Can you win holding a team under 21? Can you win running without throwing good? Can you win throwing without running good? Can you have a game-winning drive? 

 

All of these things are something a Super bowl champion will have to answer.. and actually the bills have checked it off 

 

But I get what you're saying I do want the ball in Josh's hands more

 

Agree across the board. Just can't suffer McD's methodical smothering of the roster's and fanbase's joy any longer. Gotta unleash the beast (Allen) early and often each game to get him engaged WHILE ALSO being able to transition as games play out to a more physical, ball control approach. 

[Billsfanatixs]

Allen ranks 3rd among runningbacks in scoring lmfao with 10 TD.  Needs  1 more to tie for second

[DapperCam]

1 hour ago, Buffalo716 said:

 

Tom Brady won six Super bowls with complimentary football 

 

I wouldn't say it's a terrible strategy... 

 

Sean McDermott does not sign free agents or draft players... He literally gets the groceries and tries to cook them 

 

He does not bring in the ingredients... We've literally lost by a field goal back-to-back years to the Chiefs who went to the sb

 

They're not that far off... No matter what anybody says... We also got them way more banged up in the playoffs 

 

We went in the arrowhead more banged up and lost by three... We are absolutely able to beat them 

 

Even if I want better wide receivers on the team.. this is a salary cap League.. I would not sacrifice our offensive line for flashy wide receivers andgive Allen the burrow treatment 

 

It means nothing to have those flashy toys when you're on your back and getting hurt all the time.. the best ability is availability.. and keeping our offensive line intact is more important than anything 

 

The Patriots won a couple Super bowls on field goals and another one on a goal line pick 6.. it's absolutely smart to care about all three phases ... Brady won Super bowl scoring 13, 24 ,and 20

 

Sometimes you need to win 24-20... Sometimes you need to win 38-35

 

Super bowl teams need to be able to win any style of game... The bills have shown they could win running.. they showed they could win throwing yesterday 

 

It's a long season and people get caught up in the ebbs and flows... Dalton Kincaid would be one of the most talented tight ends in the league if he stayed healthy 

 

Tom Brady had elite defenses and won many playoff games with totally subpar stat lines, including his last SB in NE. Some of those wins he had a similar stat line to Allen's terrible playoff game vs Cincy. We don't have an elite defense this season, and I doubt we'll have one soon. Best bet is to stack points and get teams out of their offensive game plan (which would probably be to run it all over our soft defense).