Who do we want, who do we need as our next HC and, or GM?

[nedboy7]

Dabol as GM 

Babich as coach. 

[Kirby Jackson]

46 minutes ago, Nihilarian said:

Every time I see one of these moronic threads when the team still has a winning record (6-3) and could still make the playoffs. I keep thinking how supremely lucky Pegula was to hire McD who then hired Beane. The culture the man has built in Buffalo that players actually want to come here to play.

 

Then considering his first hire was Rex Ryan. 🤑

 

Now I look at the Sabres and their record, currently LAST PLACE. Does anyone really want this owner to pick a new head coach and GM?

 

The very last thing I ever want to see is this franchise searching for a new HC & GM. Not when the current men have this team in the playoffs with a winning record over the last five years. The ONLY team in the NFL that has won more games or been in the playoffs more than the Buffalo Bills are the Kansas City Chiefs. 

 

#1 Chiefs 63 wins

#2 Bills 60 wins

#3 Eagles 56 wins

#4 Packers 53 wins

#5 Ravens 52 wins

 

And Buffalo has scored more points over those five season 2,421 points, than any other team. 

 

Get a grip! 

Let’s do a little hypothetical. If, over the next 5 years, the Bills do EXACTLY what they did over the last 5 will you be satisfied? Basically, if they win the division and a playoff game or 2 each year will you deem that success? At the end of that time they’ll have a 35 or 36-year-old Josh Allen, 5 more AFCE titles, 60 more wins and 2 AFC Championship appearances. Is that good enough for you? 

[HappyDays]

5 hours ago, SoMAn said:

Whatever happens Chicken Littles, it's not time to blow it all up and start over. There's still hope.

 

When Allen retires that's when we'll be blowing it up and starting over. Replacing the coach and GM is a transition, not a restart. Did the Patriots start over when they fired Jerrod Mayo last year? Not at all. They already had their franchise QB in waiting, just had to make a couple roster additions and get a real coaching staff in the building. Boom, AFCE champs (most likely) in year one.

 

The only Chicken Littles on here are the ones that are still afraid to make a change. I'm not afraid of the unknown, I'm afraid of the same story we see play out every single year continuing to play out until Allen hangs it up. We've probably already passed the peak of his physical abilities. The clock is ticking.

[Buffalo716]

2 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

When Allen retires that's when we'll be blowing it up and starting over. Replacing the coach and GM is a transition, not a restart. Did the Patriots start over when they fired Jerrod Mayo last year? Not at all. They already had their franchise QB in waiting, just had to make a couple roster additions and get a real coaching staff in the building. Boom, AFCE champs (most likely) in year one.

 

The only Chicken Littles on here are the ones that are still afraid to make a change. I'm not afraid of the unknown, I'm afraid of the same story we see play out every single year continuing to play out until Allen hangs it up. We've probably already passed the peak of his physical abilities. The clock is ticking.

The difference is the Patriots had 125 million in cap space.. with multiple top five picks the last couple years and a top 15 

 

The bills had like 10 million dollars in cap space and haven't had a top 15 pick since  Oliver

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

3 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

The difference is the Patriots had 125 million in cap space.. with multiple top five picks the last couple years and a top 15 

 

The bills had like 10 million dollars in cap space and haven't had a top 15 pick since  Oliver

 

Which is precisely why new management is needed 

[Buffalo716]

4 minutes ago, Pine Barrens Mafia said:

 

Which is precisely why new management is needed 

Considering you're in a rock and a hard place if you don't re sign your own guys...

 

Sure they've given out some rough contracts.. but you don't let Edmunds and Milano walk.. they chose Milano and he was a fan favorite... you needed to sign both of our tackles 

 

Trey White's contract when we gave it to him was obviously something we had to do he was in All pro

 

dude we've won 11 12 13 games for years now 

 

You're not going to have salary cap open when you've been winning consistently that much and you're trying to keep pieces around so you don't have to go through that mini rebuild with a 7 win season 

 

It is a rock and a hard place 

 

That's why the drafting has to be better... This year's draft looks promising but it needs to be consistently better because we're always at the top

 

Bad teams have 120 million in cap space not perennial winners

Edited 6 hours ago by Buffalo716

[HappyDays]

12 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

The difference is the Patriots had 125 million in cap space

 

And they only used about half of it. Also our roster right now is in better shape than theirs was last year so our rebuild doesn't need to be as comprehensive. My take is we basically just need 2 legit WRs, a true #1 and a #3 type to replace Samuel, and then we're fine on offense. Assuming Bosa walks in FA he needs to be replaced. Otherwise I'm good with this roster. Some other tweaks are needed like every team, but we're not looking at wholesale changes. We have the QB which is 80% of the battle.

[Buffalo716]

Just now, HappyDays said:

 

And they only used about half of it. Also our roster right now is in better shape than theirs was last year so our rebuild doesn't need to be as comprehensive. My take is we basically just need 2 legit WRs, a true #1 and a #3 type to replace Samuel, and then we're fine on offense. Assuming Bosa walks in FA he needs to be replaced. Otherwise I'm good with this roster. Some other tweaks are needed like every team, but we're not looking at wholesale changes. We have the QB which is 80% of the battle.

Well yeah this roster is not far off 

 

But they have to be smart drafting and they need to sign good pro personal acquisitions with what little money they have

[HappyDays]

5 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

Well yeah this roster is not far off 

 

But they have to be smart drafting and they need to sign good pro personal acquisitions with what little money they have

 

Correct and my confidence that they will do any of that is at an all time low.

[GerstAusGosheim]

1 hour ago, Nihilarian said:

#1 Chiefs 63 wins

#2 Bills 60 wins

#3 Eagles 56 wins

 

60 wins and zero Super Bowl appearances. Chiefs 4. Eagles 2. Because they have coaches who can get you to the next level. 

[Nihilarian]

25 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

Let’s do a little hypothetical. If, over the next 5 years, the Bills do EXACTLY what they did over the last 5 will you be satisfied? Basically, if they win the division and a playoff game or 2 each year will you deem that success? At the end of that time they’ll have a 35 or 36-year-old Josh Allen, 5 more AFCE titles, 60 more wins and 2 AFC Championship appearances. Is that good enough for you? 

Of course not! 

 

I think the difference between us is that I have faith in this regime to win a Super Bowl or more than just one.

 

 

[DrDawkinstein]

3 minutes ago, Nihilarian said:

Of course not! 

 

I think the difference between us is that I have faith in this regime to win a Super Bowl or more than just one.

 

 

 

Based on what?

[Buffalo716]

17 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

Correct and my confidence that they will do any of that is at an all time low.

 

I'm losing some confidence in beane yes

 

But I'm also not shortsighted so I'm willing to see how this season plays out... And regardless beane better feel a really hot seat under his ass

[Kirby Jackson]

5 minutes ago, Nihilarian said:

Of course not! 

 

I think the difference between us is that I have faith in this regime to win a Super Bowl or more than just one.

 

 

You just based your entire argument as to why they should stay based on how good the last 5 years have been. When asked if you’re satisfied with those exact 5 years you said, “of course not.”

 

We have seen the last 6 years end in similar fashion. There is no logical reason to have faith in them at this point. We all HOPE that they do it but they haven’t earned the trust that they can. Each year that passes is one less year of prime Josh.
 

If we keep running it back, the Josh Allen window will close someday. If that happens it will be a failure that rivals any team in sport’s history. How many teams will have had a 10 year run like that without even a championship appearance?? 

[Nihilarian]

Kansas City Chiefs have been this teams biggest impediment to reach a SB. The Chiefs have an offensive genius for a HC. They have a defensive genius for a DC and both DC, OC assistant coaches KC have been previous NFL head coaches. Their GM is also brilliant. 

 

Kansas City has had it so good for so long because the AFC West has had only one good team with one good head coach. That has now changed with Denver in the lead 8-2, the Chargers right behind them at 7-3 and the Chiefs are 5-4.  Their time might be up. 

 

 

This Buffalo head coach in McDermott is not afraid to make changes on his staff as we have seen with several OCs, and several other assistant coaches. When someone doesn't meet this regimes standards they are replaced. Currently the Buffalo offense is the #1 rushing team in the NFL. Joe Brady is a run game god and O line coach Aaron Kromer is the best line coach the Bills have had in forever. Both assistant positions have been changed many times under McD.  

 

Leslie Frazier was the DC and responsible for the 13 second debacle and he was replaced. And yes, the buck stops with the head coach and yet we have seen that he doesn't interfere with his assistants. Brian Daboll ran the offense his way as a pass happy mad man. When he left ken Dorsey attempted to follow suit. It wasn't good enough so he was fired and replaced mid season. which was good enough to go from 6-6 to 12-7, a six game tear. Now Joe Brady is running the offense his way which is a run centric offense. 

 

What really stinks is the injury bug has hit this team hard again this season with all the rookies and some star players. This isn't the head coaches or GMs fault as it's just bad luck. So many problems have been the injuries at the end of the year and it's like this team is cursed. As far as the injuries they replaced the head trainer and will do it again should they continue.

 

Many other team are in the same situation too. The ravens at 4-5 were supposedly SB contenders this year and they have so many players injured. in 2021 they went 8-9. They had had some serious problems with injuries over the years. -John Harbaugh 18 years-He won a super bowl with QB Joe Falcco who was in Balt for 11 seasons and then they moved on.  They now have QB Lamar Jackson 2 time MVP. 

 

The Packers had Brett Favre and moved on to Aaron Rodgers and now to Jordan Love.

 

If you have top coaches and a top GM while providing good team culture I think it's easier to find a good QB and develop him rather then find a good head coach/GM. The Buffalo Bills currently have a great head coach and GM! The odds of finding a top NFL head coach/GM are statistically low, as it's a highly competitive and difficult path that often requires years of experience and a strong track record.

 

With this owner searching for a new HC/GM...no thank you. 

[L Ron Burgundy]

4 hours ago, Nihilarian said:

Kansas City Chiefs have been this teams biggest impediment to reach a SB. The Chiefs have an offensive genius for a HC. They have a defensive genius for a DC and both DC, OC assistant coaches KC have been previous NFL head coaches. Their GM is also brilliant. 

 

Kansas City has had it so good for so long because the AFC West has had only one good team with one good head coach. That has now changed with Denver in the lead 8-2, the Chargers right behind them at 7-3 and the Chiefs are 5-4.  Their time might be up. 

 

 

This Buffalo head coach in McDermott is not afraid to make changes on his staff as we have seen with several OCs, and several other assistant coaches. When someone doesn't meet this regimes standards they are replaced. Currently the Buffalo offense is the #1 rushing team in the NFL. Joe Brady is a run game god and O line coach Aaron Kromer is the best line coach the Bills have had in forever. Both assistant positions have been changed many times under McD.  

 

Leslie Frazier was the DC and responsible for the 13 second debacle and he was replaced. And yes, the buck stops with the head coach and yet we have seen that he doesn't interfere with his assistants. Brian Daboll ran the offense his way as a pass happy mad man. When he left ken Dorsey attempted to follow suit. It wasn't good enough so he was fired and replaced mid season. which was good enough to go from 6-6 to 12-7, a six game tear. Now Joe Brady is running the offense his way which is a run centric offense. 

 

What really stinks is the injury bug has hit this team hard again this season with all the rookies and some star players. This isn't the head coaches or GMs fault as it's just bad luck. So many problems have been the injuries at the end of the year and it's like this team is cursed. As far as the injuries they replaced the head trainer and will do it again should they continue.

 

Many other team are in the same situation too. The ravens at 4-5 were supposedly SB contenders this year and they have so many players injured. in 2021 they went 8-9. They had had some serious problems with injuries over the years. -John Harbaugh 18 years-He won a super bowl with QB Joe Falcco who was in Balt for 11 seasons and then they moved on.  They now have QB Lamar Jackson 2 time MVP. 

 

The Packers had Brett Favre and moved on to Aaron Rodgers and now to Jordan Love.

 

If you have top coaches and a top GM while providing good team culture I think it's easier to find a good QB and develop him rather then find a good head coach/GM. The Buffalo Bills currently have a great head coach and GM! The odds of finding a top NFL head coach/GM are statistically low, as it's a highly competitive and difficult path that often requires years of experience and a strong track record.

 

With this owner searching for a new HC/GM...no thank you. 

Every team has injuries.   It's a lame excuse.  Somehow other coaches still win.  We don't because we don't have offensive or defensive geniuses.  We have a staff that is maybe above average.