3 up 3 down (week 8)

[JP51]

26 minutes ago, Andrew Son said:

Reggie Gilliam needs to be on any up list.  We need to run primarily 13 personnel   

He is certainly unsung for sure. 

[JP51]

5 hours ago, billsfan89 said:

 

How much can you really scheme guys open if teams don't respect your boundary WR's? I think opposing defense are daring the Bills to beat them on the outside and the one guy that can maybe do that is Palmer and he's hurt. So while I get that you can try to be more creative what are you really doing that's going to make a difference if the WR's can't get open on the boundary with any consistency? 

I think this is a big issue... 

[The Frankish Reich]

3 hours ago, Andrew Son said:

Reggie Gilliam needs to be on any up list.  We need to run primarily 13 personnel   

Love that guy. He just does whatever you ask him to do, and does it efficiently.

[Pete]

3 hours ago, Andrew Son said:

Reggie Gilliam needs to be on any up list.  We need to run primarily 13 personnel   

Jackson Hawes too.  

Cook is elite.  It seems every game Cook gets deep in second level, open field ahead, Cook starts to turn on his ✈️, and just gets shoe string tackled by the last defense.  Cook almost breaks long TDs a couple times a game.

I agree with Reggie Gilliam!  I love his game!

[CSBill]

3++ Up

 

All the new blood on Defense:

• Hoecht
• Ogunjobi
• Hairston
• Hancock
• Poyer

 

- - 3 down

• Big Ed's injury
• Allen's passing drought
• Slow Wide Receivers
• Moore, Samuel, Coleman
• And did I mention our wide receivers?

 

Edited 8 hours ago by CSBill

[Casey D]

6 hours ago, BuffaloBillyG said:

Up-

The entire defense. 7 sacks, 3 turnovers. That will give them some confidence. Being able to play aggressively and attack pays off. 

 

Joe Brady. I've been critical of him being too cute. I'll give him equal props for playing it smarter this week. None of those cutesy end arounds. Just pounding the rock 

 

McDermott. If in fact he took over play calling (I don't buy the "Bobby and I are doing it together" line) then credit needs to go to him for identifying the problem and correcting it 

 

Down

Buffalo's outside receivers. I can't remember a time we have lacked this much talent on the boundary. What we have now makes me miss the days of Donald Jones and David Nelson. Get a quality guy in here via trade. Heck, sign Mecole Hardman. Do SOMETHING. LITERALLY ANYTHING!! We cannot trot Shavers, Coleman And Samuel out there any longer. 

 

Ray Davis. I don't think he even deserves a roster spot at this point anymore. I'd love to see Gore elevated to see if he can bring some fresh juice, but it's hard to elevate him when we need to elevate a Safety and DT every week due to injury. My fear is if we don't find an answer at RB 2, by the playoffs Cook will be....well ...Cooked. 

 

Josh Allen. It's been a rough 3 weeks for him. We can have our fan theories all we want about what's wrong with him. A hidden injury, married life, all the new endorsement deals, whatever, lack or receivers....whatever.  It needs to be fixed. Our MVP is struggling. Hopefully, a date with the Chiefs wakes him up.

Or it could just be a slump.  All athletes have them.  Hell all people have them.

[Spiderweb]

7 hours ago, BuffaloBillyG said:

Up-

The entire defense. 7 sacks, 3 turnovers. That will give them some confidence. Being able to play aggressively and attack pays off. 

 

Joe Brady. I've been critical of him being too cute. I'll give him equal props for playing it smarter this week. None of those cutesy end arounds. Just pounding the rock 

 

McDermott. If in fact he took over play calling (I don't buy the "Bobby and I are doing it together" line) then credit needs to go to him for identifying the problem and correcting it 

 

Down

Buffalo's outside receivers. I can't remember a time we have lacked this much talent on the boundary. What we have now makes me miss the days of Donald Jones and David Nelson. Get a quality guy in here via trade. Heck, sign Mecole Hardman. Do SOMETHING. LITERALLY ANYTHING!! We cannot trot Shavers, Coleman And Samuel out there any longer. 

 

Ray Davis. I don't think he even deserves a roster spot at this point anymore. I'd love to see Gore elevated to see if he can bring some fresh juice, but it's hard to elevate him when we need to elevate a Safety and DT every week due to injury. My fear is if we don't find an answer at RB 2, by the playoffs Cook will be....well ...Cooked. 

 

Josh Allen. It's been a rough 3 weeks for him. We can have our fan theories all we want about what's wrong with him. A hidden injury, married life, all the new endorsement deals, whatever, lack or receivers....whatever.  It needs to be fixed. Our MVP is struggling. Hopefully, a date with the Chiefs wakes him up.

If Gore was a bit bigger but he's light by NFL standards and not a burner. Sure, he has shown grit and some skill in the Preseason but his size is what holds him back. Davis has 30 (approx) pounds on Gore...

[BuffaloBillyG]

1 minute ago, Spiderweb said:

If Gore was a bit bigger but he's light by NFL standards and not a burner. Sure, he has shown grit and some skill in the Preseason but his size is what holds him back. Davis has 30 (approx) pounds on Gore...

But he doesn't use those pounds. And Davis can't seem to find a hole. Give me a RB like Gore that can run through the opening and not into the back of an OLman. Looks like Mr. McGoo trying to run. 

 

Gore also seems to fall forward when brought down. Davis gets pushed back or ripped to the side. Remember, extra pounds doesn't always equate to extra power. 

[Pete]

Big Ups

1-Cook- is he best RB in NFL- I say yes

 

2-D additions-Larry O, Hoecht, Max,  Hancock-going to transform our weak D into an above average unit

 

3-Gilliam.  Gilliam usages cranks up late in the season and in the playoffs- that’s how valuable he is, and it’s nice he’s getting recognition and respect now 

 

BIG, BIG Downs

 

1-BRADY- the superstar of big downs.  What the ***** did you do to Josh Allen?  ***** you for ***** up Josh!

 

2-Beane- your WGR outburst should have you embarrassed.  You then did a pseudo victory tour on the sports shows declaring “we don’t need WRs, we’re great, we’re all set”.  You should be embarrassed that you have neglected Josh with quality WRs.  Do we have worse WR group in the NFL?  That’s an indictment on you Beane- own it, correct it.  Now!

 

3-Josh.  I want Golden Retriever Josh back now!  We love you Josh!   Go Josh!  Go Bills!

[JP51]

1 hour ago, BuffaloBillyG said:

But he doesn't use those pounds. And Davis can't seem to find a hole. Give me a RB like Gore that can run through the opening and not into the back of an OLman. Looks like Mr. McGoo trying to run. 

 

Gore also seems to fall forward when brought down. Davis gets pushed back or ripped to the side. Remember, extra pounds doesn't always equate to extra power. 

I like the kid 

6 hours ago, Andrew Son said:

Reggie Gilliam needs to be on any up list.  We need to run primarily 13 personnel   

He seems to be a popular guy agree

6 hours ago, Andrew Son said:

Reggie Gilliam needs to be on any up list.  We need to run primarily 13 personnel   

He seems to be a popular guy agree

6 hours ago, Andrew Son said:

Reggie Gilliam needs to be on any up list.  We need to run primarily 13 personnel   

Agree he is defo getting love this week

[Spiderweb]

11 hours ago, BuffaloBillyG said:

But he doesn't use those pounds. And Davis can't seem to find a hole. Give me a RB like Gore that can run through the opening and not into the back of an OLman. Looks like Mr. McGoo trying to run. 

 

Gore also seems to fall forward when brought down. Davis gets pushed back or ripped to the side. Remember, extra pounds doesn't always equate to extra power. 

Maybe. It's not that I didn't like what we saw of Gore in the Preseason but he's not a bull in a china shop either. Davis was supposed to be that guy and when given the start, he played very well last year against the Jets, and did well generally when thrown too. Much of what we are seeing is that he gets his carries often when defenses are playing the run as opposed to Cook who plays when the whole play book is available. Davis may never be a star and we may need a better # 2 RB. Of note, how is Ty Johnson doing this year?

[Chandler#81]

UP -McDermott, Beane, Bishop

DOWN -Oliver injury, Allen’s funk, OL penalties

[JP51]

3 hours ago, Spiderweb said:

Maybe. It's not that I didn't like what we saw of Gore in the Preseason but he's not a bull in a china shop either. Davis was supposed to be that guy and when given the start, he played very well last year against the Jets, and did well generally when thrown too. Much of what we are seeing is that he gets his carries often when defenses are playing the run as opposed to Cook who plays when the whole play book is available. Davis may never be a star and we may need a better # 2 RB. Of note, how is Ty Johnson doing this year?

Honestly not sure what has happened to Ty? Is this him, Brady scheme or a bit of both... suffice it to say our RBs really are not involved much in the pass game... to me that is a problem... 

[stevewin]

21 hours ago, corta765 said:

I agree with you here on all of this.

I do want to add Albert Breer today mentioned that a lot of teams seem to be more careful right now with QBs in a load mgmt type of way with their usage and what is being shown in the first half. I absolutely believe that the Bills have been doing that with Josh and he has been told to keep it in check until later in the year. That still does not excuse the issues in the passing game that are so prevalent at this time, but it has made me wonder if the game plan has been so intentional at times with runs partly for later in the year. Breer acknowledging as much and other analysts saying the Bills are make Josh be a game manager really makes me think there is credence to some of lack of passing being shown. I don't agree with it, but with the injuries this year and longer season I can see more teams doing that.

This is an interesting take - and also could help explain some of Josh's 'low-positive' demeanor lately 

[corta765]

16 minutes ago, stevewin said:

This is an interesting take - and also could help explain some of Josh's 'low-positive' demeanor lately 

I want to say it was the offseason of 2023 when you started hearing the Bills and Josh talk about him protecting his body earlier in the year and not running as much the first half so he was in better shape in the back half of the season. I would have to search to find those clips of when it was said, but 23' & 24' he seem to take off the last 7-8 weeks in terms of play and some of his bigger moments. Could be just coincidence but I do believe to some extent that this is true.