Here's a secondary Fix idea

[Starr Almighty]

I just don't know how to for these guys under the cap

 

Sign Jordan Whitehead and Justin Simmons to take over as safeties 

 

And Asante Samuel Jr at CB 

 

I didn't know if there's room for 3 vet minimums plus a WR 

 

And yes I know this is insane but this would definitely help the team out I believe.

[Pecker]

We are 4th in passing yards allowed (this likely changed after this Sunday) 

[LEBills]

17 minutes ago, Starr Almighty said:

I just don't know how to for these guys under the cap

 

Sign Jordan Whitehead and Justin Simmons to take over as safeties 

 

And Asante Samuel Jr at CB 

 

I didn't know if there's room for 3 vet minimums plus a WR 

 

And yes I know this is insane but this would definitely help the team out I believe.

Samuel Jr isn’t that good and I don’t think he is healthy yet from his injury.

 

We may sign one safety since we lost Hamlin. Simmons and Whitehead may be too pricy though if they really wanted one of them they could add void years to fit the cap probably

[Walking Tall]

They need to bring Josh Norman in.

Edited 2 hours ago by Walking Tall

[Starr Almighty]

12 minutes ago, ***** said:

We are 4th in passing yards allowed (this likely changed after this Sunday) 

Did you happen to watch the Pats and Falcon games? 

[Starr Almighty]

9 minutes ago, LEBills said:

Samuel Jr isn’t that good and I don’t think he is healthy yet from his injury.

 

We may sign one safety since we lost Hamlin. Simmons and Whitehead may be too pricy though if they really wanted one of them they could add void years to fit the cap probably

I agree with most of what you said except Samuel Jr is good but he is inconsistent at times holding him back from being a top guy. Plus he gets injured alot. I listed him out of desperation because it can't get any worse than what we have out there now. My boy Tre is cooked 🥺 unfortunately and the safeties look lost.

[BuffaloBillyG]

27 minutes ago, Starr Almighty said:

I just don't know how to for these guys under the cap

 

Sign Jordan Whitehead and Justin Simmons to take over as safeties 

 

And Asante Samuel Jr at CB 

 

I didn't know if there's room for 3 vet minimums plus a WR 

 

And yes I know this is insane but this would definitely help the team out I believe.

This is like "yup I've heard of them" bingo.

 

32 teams have passed on signing them all this far into the season.  Be it salary demands, health or declined play....there's a reason. 

 

Secondaries also rely on a lot of communication and reps together to gel. This isn't a plug and play situation. 

 

If it were me, I'd look to sign one of them, perhaps. But all 3 and to plug and play is wreckless.

[Starr Almighty]

7 minutes ago, BuffaloBillyG said:

This is like "yup I've heard of them" bingo.

 

32 teams have passed on signing them all this far into the season.  Be it salary demands, health or declined play....there's a reason. 

 

Secondaries also rely on a lot of communication and reps together to gel. This isn't a plug and play situation. 

 

If it were me, I'd look to sign one of them, perhaps. But all 3 and to plug and play is wreckless.

Whitehead was in an accident and is reportedly healthy.  Simmons was asking for a high salary and with almost half the season gone that number has got to come down. Samuel Jr is getting scanned this month to see if he is cleared to play The 2nd half of the season. 

 

If I had to have 1 I'd want Whitehead

 

Also like I said I know it's not ideal but White, Rapp and Cole have been that bad. The chances of this happening are -100%

 

But desperate times....

 

 

Edited 1 hour ago by Starr Almighty

[BillsFanForever19]

1 hour ago, Starr Almighty said:

I just don't know how to for these guys under the cap

 

Sign Jordan Whitehead and Justin Simmons to take over as safeties 

 

And Asante Samuel Jr at CB 

 

I didn't know if there's room for 3 vet minimums plus a WR 

 

And yes I know this is insane but this would definitely help the team out I believe.

 

Asante Samuel had Spinal Fusion Neck Surgery in April. He has (or had depending on the date) a CT scan scheduled for this month to check on how the surgery went. Needless to say, he's off the table right now.

 

Justin Simmons will be 32 years old. Pro Football Focus ranked him 113th out of 171 Safeties last season. The Falcons did not re-sign him and no team in the league signed him. And Safety help is many teams need. He's not Justin Simmons anymore.

 

On top of this, this isn't Madden. You don't just plug and play 3 new starters mid season. They'd all have to learn the system, which is notoriously difficult. 

 

I'm not saying we don't do anything. But the idea we just go out and sign these guys that you've heard of and we're good to go isn't reality.

 

Even with upgrades at talent, the bigger problem in my eyes is that McDermott's scheme is broken. Teams have cracked the code. Everyone knows how to find the (often gaping) holes in our Zones. I don't think it's just a talent issue. It's a scheme issue.

Edited 1 hour ago by BillsFanForever19

[Big Turk]

Bro, this isn't Madden. You don't just plug people in with no familiarity with the scheme and think they are going to have any semblance of knowing what they are doing.

 

Also, how do you know they are even good scheme fits? Or doesn't that matter? Just a name you know? Just like Madden where none of it matters, right?

Edited 1 hour ago by Big Turk

[MPL]

Came here to make a Madden joke but looks like 5 of you already did. Nice work, gents. 

[BillytheKid]

They won’t be trading for anyone in the secondary because there isn’t anybody mid season that could come in and pick up what McDermott wants done in the secondary and where guys are supposed to be at certain times.
 

So don’t expect any secondary help other than getting Hairston back and possibly playing Poyer for Rapp since Rapp sucks so bad this year. Even though Poyer is older and slower he at least knows where he is supposed to be. 
 

What you need to be hoping for is they get another receiver to make the offense more unstoppable and then to start playing Palmer, Cook and Kincaid majority of the snaps instead of only 50% of them and hoping the Bills can outscore everyone. 
 

There isn’t a fix for the defense mid season based on how McDermott runs it. He has this big thing with his secondary needs to be able to trust each other by knowing where they need to be at certain times. So no trade will be fixing that until the off season. (At least the way the coaches talk about it) 

 

I would be pretty shocked if they brought anybody in for the secondary.  
 

Im just basing this off of how they talk about it and not any inside knowledge. 

[QLBillsFan]

Secondary gets better when D line brings pressure. That and the absolute abysmal tackling in the first half’s are killing this D. 

[NewEra]

2 minutes ago, BillytheKid said:

They won’t be trading for anyone in the secondary because there isn’t anybody mid season that could come in and pick up what McDermott wants done in the secondary and where guys are supposed to be at certain times.
 

 

Likely true.  Would be nice if McDermott changed what he wants done though

[BillytheKid]

Just now, QLBillsFan said:

Secondary gets better when D line brings pressure. That and the absolute abysmal tackling in the first half’s are killing this D. 

The Bills aren’t the 2nd best in pressure in the NFL right now. So the d line isn’t the problem. It’s the secondary and mostly Rapp sucking and White not being athletic enough to keep up with anyone one on one. I agree with you on the tackling. That’s a huge problem. 

[transient]

56 minutes ago, Walking Tall said:

They need to bring Josh Norman in.

Has he re-entered the atmosphere yet?

[Sojourner]

1 hour ago, ***** said:

We are 4th in passing yards allowed (this likely changed after this Sunday) 

Don’t have to pass when you can run all over a team. 

[Starr Almighty]

30 minutes ago, Big Turk said:

Bro, this isn't Madden. You don't just plug people in with no familiarity with the scheme and think they are going to have any semblance of knowing what they are doing.

 

Also, how do you know they are even good scheme fits? Or doesn't that matter? Just a name you know? Just like Madden where none of it matters, right?

This answer is adorable. Whitehead is good at stopping the run which at the moment we can't do. Samuel and Simmons are great in zone which is what we play. Does that mean adding them would absolutely work? not at all but to say what you said makes no sense. They fit the need. 

 

I think you gotta take a shot at 1. 

 

You were dying to write the Madden joke so bad that you didn't even realize the players fit the scheme.

Edited 56 minutes ago by Starr Almighty

[QLBillsFan]

16 minutes ago, BillytheKid said:

The Bills aren’t the 2nd best in pressure in the NFL right now. So the d line isn’t the problem. It’s the secondary and mostly Rapp sucking and White not being athletic enough to keep up with anyone one on one. I agree with you on the tackling. That’s a huge problem. 

Very fair assessment. Pressure is  good, sacks are better. 2nd CB has been bad, S play bad, CB 1 is playing average along with slot. All adds up to not good enough. You have to question if this D scheme is sustainable in the current NFL. But that is what McD does. 

[BillsFanForever19]

17 minutes ago, Starr Almighty said:

This answer is adorable. Whitehead is good at stopping the run which at the moment we can't do. Samuel and Simmons are great in zone which is what we play. Does that mean adding them would absolutely work? not at all but to say what you said makes no sense. They fit the need. 

 

I think you gotta take a shot at 1. 

 

You were dying to write the Madden joke so bad that you didn't even realize the players fit the scheme.

 

It isn't an "adorable joke". Regardless of whether they're Zone defenders or not, the idea that we're going to add 3 players into the lineup, halfway through the season, off the couch, and that's gonna fix things is definitive Madden thinking. That's not how the NFL works and definitely not how McDermott works.

 

And you're just pulling "I've heard of em" names. Again, Simmons isn't the same guy. It would be like fans of another team saying "Jordan Poyer would help us at Safety!". Simmons, like Poyer, is done. He was *bad* in Atlanta last season. Age has caught up to him. There's a reason no one brought him in while Safety play has been poor for many teams.

 

And again, Asante Samuel is recovering from SPINAL FUSION. There's a chance they look at the CT scan and say "you shouldn't play Football anymore". Even if he is cleared, I don't see anyone jumping through hoops to add a guy mid-season who has been on the couch, not so much as working out for over a year.

Edited 43 minutes ago by BillsFanForever19