Plausible X/#1 receiver trade candidates — are there any?

[Solomon Grundy]

13 hours ago, Chaos said:

What are you afraid of missing out on by not having a late first round pick? 

 

I've been saying this for years!!

[stlbills13]

I'd be willing to give up two 1sts in the right deal if it were possible. Just go win a championship. 

 

As a lifelong St Blues Blues fan, I watched dozens and dozens of playoff exits, heartbreaking losses deep in the playoffs, etc. The Stanley Cup in 2019 will be something that I will never in my life forget. Everyone in the organization can do whatever they want now and in the mind of Blues fans, all is fine because they finally won that Cup. Go around the city and everyone will tell you where they were when it happened. They'll tell you how amazing the parade was. Everyone has a story. 

 

Eventually you just gotta put the chips all in and win one. You'll never have a better chance than you do with Josh Allen. 

[Warriorspikes51]

1 hour ago, Solomon Grundy said:

I've been saying this for years!!

 

especially with Beane's recent history

[BuffaloBillyG]

I feel like there has been too much focus on Olave and Shaheed, and not enough talk about Jerry Jeudy. Browns got him for a 5th and a 6th. I feel like if we offered a 3rd or possibly a 4th for him it gets done.  Browns are in another lost season.

[dave mcbride]

1 minute ago, BuffaloBillyG said:

I feel like there has been too much focus on Olave and Shaheed, and not enough talk about Jerry Jeudy. Browns got him for a 5th and a 6th. I feel like if we offered a 3rd or possibly a 4th for him it gets done.  Browns are in another lost season.

I get that, but they also want to ensure that they're able to adequately assess Gabriel. It's hard to do if he doesn't have any receivers, and Jeudy is their best one.

[BuffaloBillyG]

3 minutes ago, dave mcbride said:

I get that, but they also want to ensure that they're able to adequately assess Gabriel. It's hard to do if he doesn't have any receivers, and Jeudy is their best one.

Yup. Agree that may be their thoughts process. 

 

But they still have Njoku, and the rookies Boyd and Fannin to catch passes. They have Judkins to take some pressure off as well. Them moving from Jeudy to help with the rebuild is very plausible to me. 

[ScotSHO]

18 minutes ago, dave mcbride said:

I get that, but they also want to ensure that they're able to adequately assess Gabriel. It's hard to do if he doesn't have any receivers, and Jeudy is their best one.

He's a backup, at best.  Probably won't get a second contract in the NFL.  Not sure any more "assessing" needs to be done.

[Urban Achievers]

I’d 💯 give a late first for a proven WR that has a solid 3-5 years left age and health wise.  Beane “obviously” cannot draft a WR so needs to be trade or FA 

Edited 10 hours ago by Urban Achievers

[BuffaloBillyG]

48 minutes ago, ScotSHO said:

He's a backup, at best.  Probably won't get a second contract in the NFL.  Not sure any more "assessing" needs to be done.

I think that's a bit of an over reaction. Gabriel may not be elite but I can see him with a long NFL career as a backup as well. Look at Marcus Mariota.

25 minutes ago, Urban Achievers said:

I’d 💯 give a late first for a proven WR that has a solid 3-5 years left age and health wise.  Beane “obviously” cannot draft a WR so needs to be trade or FA 

We need to do something for sure. I think if we had all our WRs healthy a case could be made that Gave Davis would be our top WR. That's absolutely bonkers. 

 

What's going on with him anyways? I know he's rehabbing from the torn miniscus, but there have been no updates at all. If only we had people in Buffalo sports media that would ask questions rather than basically ask Sean "So, what do you want to talk about?"

[ScotSHO]

1 hour ago, BuffaloBillyG said:

I think that's a bit of an over reaction. Gabriel may not be elite but I can see him with a long NFL career as a backup as well. Look at Marcus Mariota.

That's fair, but Mariota was drafted 2nd overall and given the keys from the start in Tenn for 3-4 years.

[3rdand12]

20 hours ago, Chaos said:

What makes you think Beane is drafting a WR better than Olave? 

 

Sorry.

I meant  trade next years 1st and more if necessary !

 Beane cannot draft better than Waddle or Olave and Josh cannot wait !! 

8 hours ago, Solomon Grundy said:

I've been saying this for years!!

 

6 hours ago, BuffaloBillyG said:

I feel like there has been too much focus on Olave and Shaheed, and not enough talk about Jerry Jeudy. Browns got him for a 5th and a 6th. I feel like if we offered a 3rd or possibly a 4th for him it gets done.  Browns are in another lost season.

Just read a bit about this as a trade

 Thanks for bringing that name up here. He fits what we think we need if I am correct !

 

[3rdand12]

6 hours ago, BuffaloBillyG said:

Yup. Agree that may be their thoughts process. 

 

But they still have Njoku, and the rookies Boyd and Fannin to catch passes. They have Judkins to take some pressure off as well. Them moving from Jeudy to help with the rebuild is very plausible to me. 

Agreed 

And a young team might want to build around Gabriel with what they have and the draft

[FireChans]

7 hours ago, BuffaloBillyG said:

I feel like there has been too much focus on Olave and Shaheed, and not enough talk about Jerry Jeudy. Browns got him for a 5th and a 6th. I feel like if we offered a 3rd or possibly a 4th for him it gets done.  Browns are in another lost season.

Jeudy isn’t talked about because he is almost unmovable.

 

He saves the Browns $1.5M today and costs them $22M in dead cap next season if they trade him right now 

[BuffaloBillyG]

24 minutes ago, FireChans said:

Jeudy isn’t talked about because he is almost unmovable.

 

He saves the Browns $1.5M today and costs them $22M in dead cap next season if they trade him right now 

Then cross Waddles name off. That would result in the Dolphins taking a $23M cap hit next year. 

 

Of course many said Diggs was unmovable due to the $31M dead cap hit the Bills would take. We know how that turned out 

Edited 3 hours ago by BuffaloBillyG

[Psautcsk]

6 hours ago, BuffaloBillyG said:

I think that's a bit of an over reaction. Gabriel may not be elite but I can see him with a long NFL career as a backup as well. Look at Marcus Mariota.

We need to do something for sure. I think if we had all our WRs healthy a case could be made that Gave Davis would be our top WR. That's absolutely bonkers. 

 

What's going on with him anyways? I know he's rehabbing from the torn miniscus, but there have been no updates at all. If only we had people in Buffalo sports media that would ask questions rather than basically ask Sean "So, what do you want to talk about?"

Almost a year rehabbing for a torn meniscus? That seems like a long time. I know,  every injury is different .....

[BillsFanForever19]

13 hours ago, FireChans said:

Man I get where you are coming from but I can’t disagree more.

 

we do not have time to waste.

 

Saving the first rounder because it may be pick 19 instead of pick 26 is nuts to me.

 

i have never been a believer that we have 7-10 more years of peak Josh Allen. After these last two games, I’m not sure we have more than 3. 

 

It has the potential to be even higher than 19. 19 would imply a First Round out. With us looking the way we are, the Patriots looking the way they are (after great Drafting over the past few years and new good Coaching), and them now having a game and a half up on us - the Division looks like a stretch and I think us being a for sure Wild Card isn't accurate.

 

Like I don't mean to sound like a Debbie Downer (which is kind of funny bc it's usually the other way around between you and I), but realistically, our wins come against teams with a combined record of 3 wins and 24 losses. And some of them were dogfights. We just came off a beat down from a .500 team, down 2/3 of their Top 3 WR's, that got shut out by the team we're playing this week 30-0 earlier in the season, and followed up their beat down of us by looking completely outmatched by a 49ers team with a Backup QB.

 

The flaws on this team are far too great for one Chris Olave to turn us from what we are to a contender. I do want him but I fear even making a move as big as that is too little, too late. And I greatly fear his injury history. He has had FOUR known concussions since 2022. Obtaining him for a 1st that could very well be a Top 16 pick, losing him, and losing the pick would be a nightmare. And it's a very real possibility.

 

I do agree with you that something needs to be done. And like you (and pretty much everyone) I do want Olave. And if Beane decided the gamble was worth it and sent a 1st, I'd be happy we got him and hoping for the best. But I'd be much happier with a deal as high as a 2nd this year, a 2nd next year, and a player. Which is a very good offer that could and should get it done.

Edited 33 minutes ago by BillsFanForever19

[Big Turk]

8 hours ago, stlbills13 said:

I'd be willing to give up two 1sts in the right deal if it were possible. Just go win a championship. 

 

As a lifelong St Blues Blues fan, I watched dozens and dozens of playoff exits, heartbreaking losses deep in the playoffs, etc. The Stanley Cup in 2019 will be something that I will never in my life forget. Everyone in the organization can do whatever they want now and in the mind of Blues fans, all is fine because they finally won that Cup. Go around the city and everyone will tell you where they were when it happened. They'll tell you how amazing the parade was. Everyone has a story. 

 

Eventually you just gotta put the chips all in and win one. You'll never have a better chance than you do with Josh Allen. 

 

Gloria...
Gloria (Gloria),

I think they got your number (Gloria)...
I think they got the alias (Gloria)...

that you've been living under (Gloria)...
But you really don't remember...

was it something that they said?
Are the voices in your head...

calling, Gloriaaaaaaaaaaaaa?

Edited 3 hours ago by Big Turk

[Psautcsk]

1 minute ago, BillsFanForever19 said:

 

It has the potential to be even higher than 19. 19 would imply a First Round out. With us looking the way we are, the Patriots looking the way they are (after great Drafting over the past few years and new good Coaching), and then now having a game and a half up on us - the Division looks like a stretch and I'm far from guaranteeing us a Wild Card.

 

Like I don't mean to sound like a Debbie Downer, but our wins come against teams with a combined record of 3 wins and 24 losses. And we just came off a beat down from a .500 team, down 2/3 of their Top 3 WR's, that got shut out by the team we're playing this week 30-0 earlier in the season, and followed up their best down of us by looking completely outmatched by a 49ers team with a Backup QB.

 

The flaws on this team are far too great for one Chris Olave to turn us from what we are to a contender. I do want him but I fear even making the move is too little too late. And I greatly fear his injury history. He has had FOUR known concussions since 2022. Obtaining him for a 1st that could very well be a Top 16 pick, we lose him, and lose the pick would be a nightmare. And a very real one.

 

I do agree with you that something needs to be done. And like you (and pretty much everyone) I do want Olave. I agree that something needs to be done. And if Beane decided the gamble was worth it and sent a 1st, I'd be happy we got him and hope for the best. But I'd be much happier with a deal as high as a 2nd this year and a 2nd next year.

I think that your view of the Patriots is very accurate and we are heading in the opposite direction. It is sad to witness, but we have failed to keep up, and it is hitting hard right now. Of all of the teams, why does it have to be the Patriots?

[BillsFanForever19]

11 hours ago, Warriorspikes51 said:

 

especially with Beane's recent history

 

You also have to take into account where he's picking when he takes these guys. 30 this year, 33 last year (28 before the trade down), 25 in 2023 (27 before the trade up), 23 in 2022 (25 before the trade up), and 30 in 2021.

 

We're *consistently* picking outside of the forecasted number of prospects with 1st Round Grades (regardless of Beane's yearly BS of "we got the last guy on the board we had a 1st round grade on"). Also, each time we traded out of our 1st, we've given teams Justin Jefferson and Patrick Mahomes. That also has to be taken into account when discussing our 1st's.

Things continue as they are and we'll be in the position to Draft a Difference Maker for once, or at least be able to actually trade up for one. Like I don't understand how everyone agrees we're in serious trouble all across the board - but also somehow believe we'll be picking in the same spot. And we want to LEAP at giving away the first time we're potentially in a position to get a true difference maker since 2019 - without so much as a pause to think of the reprecussions?

 

Last year, Davante Adams went for a 2nd at the Deadline. Olave has an extra year on his contract that Adams didn't. Offer them a 2nd this year and a 2nd next year, plus one of Elijah Moore, Curtis Samuel (if they'd take him), or hell, even throw them Keon Coleman if they want. Hold on to that 1st, if you can.

 

3 hours ago, Psautcsk said:

I think that your view of the Patriots is very accurate and we are heading in the opposite direction. It is sad to witness, but we have failed to keep up, and it is hitting hard right now. Of all of the teams, why does it have to be the Patriots?

 

That's what happens when you hire a good Coach and spend the past 3 years Drafting an All-Pro CB, a Franchise QB, and a STUD OT in 3 straight Drafts. They made the most out of their high Draft picks when they had them.

Edited 25 minutes ago by BillsFanForever19

[3rdand12]

2 hours ago, FireChans said:

Jeudy isn’t talked about because he is almost unmovable.

 

He saves the Browns $1.5M today and costs them $22M in dead cap next season if they trade him right now 

 hows a late second sound then ?