10/13/2025 Bills at Falcons - Post game thread

[Billz4ever]

Just now, Brianmoorman4jesus said:

I’ll die on the hill saying we have good players on defense. I truly believe it’s the scheme. I think you bring in a Jim Schwartz, Wade Phillips,  Fangio etc type guy with the personnel as is and we are a top 10 unit by November. Obviously those specific guys aren’t available but let’s do something 

Don't think our scheme is ever changing though as long as McD is here.

 

It's his defense.

[waterglass]

50 minutes ago, CincyBillsFan said:

I would say that Cook & Brown were excellent picks, Shakir & Torrence were good picks and Kincaid may emerge as a good pick. So on the offensive side of the ball you have the potential of one elite RB; one elite RT, a very good slot WR & Guard and a very good TE. That seems like slim pickings for 7 years of drafting.  And it looks even worse on the defensive side of the ball.

 

 

But look at how many years it took to get there. They wasted [2] picks on undersized running backs; Singletary and Moss. They ran Wyatt Teller otta town and hes been an ALL Pro. Buffalos scouts are bad............................... 

[mjt328]

41 minutes ago, MikePJ76 said:

The one positive from this loss is that the hype has stopped.  That is a good thing.  The over the top super bowl talk in july, hard knocks, the hallmark movie.  It's all too much.  Now they will be back to where they were last year when everyone thought the dolphins or jets would win the division.

 

now instead of the bills and super bowl every time someone mentions them it will be they are not good enough.  I like this and this is the stuff that motivates modern athletes.  

 

The flip side of that is they are probably not good enough but we will see if they can ever get the team healthy.

 

A lot of people seem to think our problem is mental.  

The one year we were too overconfident and bought into the hype.  The next year we were sad about Damar Hamlin.  We need to be an underdog to have that fire.  I just can't buy any of this.

 

I've come to the conclusion our #1 problem is talent.  Second is coaching.  

Key players have gotten old/retired (White, Poyer, Hyde, Milano).  League-wide tendencies have gradually made our defensive scheme outdated.  Our outside/downfield WRs are terrible and can't get open.  Josh Allen is finally tired of destroying his body playing Superman for 5 months every season.  

 

In terms of health, no team is ever going to be 100% healthy.  Especially a team that purposely drafts undersized players.  Terrel Bernard gets hurt all the time, because he's too small to be a MLB.  Taron Johnson is always hurt, because we try to use him like a third linebacker.  We also want CBs who rally and tackle over guys who cover tight and defend passes.

 

[HappyDays]

34 minutes ago, MikePJ76 said:

Just watched that third and 10 incomplete throw to moore.  Out of character for Allen, he had shakir for a first down right in front of him.  There are two guys there to tackle him immediately but its a first down. Yes I know the end is sitting/spying and could make a play there but I think he has him.  He seemingly always throws it there but instead tried the outside shot to moore who I guess missed the adjustment.  Oh well.  

 

Seems the recipe from last year of running a ton and using shakir on third downs has been missing the last two weeks.  Hopefully this is something they get back to .

 

 

 

My god Elijah Moore is terrible. His CB is playing with vertical leverage and he has all sorts of space to come back to. This is why he hasn't stuck anywhere after being drafted at the top of the 2nd. He can run routes pretty well but he is hopeless at reading defenses and making himself available for his QB.

[MikePJ76]

3 minutes ago, mjt328 said:

 

A lot of people seem to think our problem is mental.  

The one year we were too overconfident and bought into the hype.  The next year we were sad about Damar Hamlin.  We need to be an underdog to have that fire.  I just can't buy any of this.

 

I've come to the conclusion our #1 problem is talent.  Second is coaching.  

Key players have gotten old/retired (White, Poyer, Hyde, Milano).  League-wide tendencies have gradually made our defensive scheme outdated.  Our outside/downfield WRs are terrible and can't get open.  Josh Allen is finally tired of destroying his body playing Superman for 5 months every season.  

 

In terms of health, no team is ever going to be 100% healthy.  Especially a team that purposely drafts undersized players.  Terrel Bernard gets hurt all the time, because he's too small to be a MLB.  Taron Johnson is always hurt, because we try to use him like a third linebacker.  We also want CBs who rally and tackle over guys who cover tight and defend passes.

 

I just think the over promotion and visibility of this team is not good.  Modern athletes are driven by the perception of being talked bad about or being told they can not do something.  The bills spent the entire season last year listening to how bad they were going to be because of the roster changes.  They had a laser focus and they played a physical brand of football.

 

imo, for three weeks now they have not been the more physical team and it seems like everyone is just waiting for Allen to do something amazing on offense to save the day.  

 

I am hoping all the negativity headed their way will help them get their focus back.  I would like to see alec anderson on the field again in the running game.  Yes of course Talent is always the number 1 reason for winning and losing.  I just believe this is a run first physical offense and for some reason they have gone away from that the past 3 weeks.

[HappyDays]

34 minutes ago, MikePJ76 said:

yea they were in his face all night but it looks like on that third down play johnson picked up one of the extra guys and josh saw the other one coming.  I think they did a good job of picking up that pressure.  Not sure why he took the really high risk throw to moore instead of the almost certain first down to shakir.

 

I'm going through it now and there are definitely times where the pressure got to him, but this play wasn't one of them. That wasn't a high risk throw. It's probably an automatic read, Moore in 1v1 coverage against a CB who is playing with vertical leverage. That should be an an easy as can be comeback completion.

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

6 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

My god Elijah Moore is terrible. His CB is playing with vertical leverage and he has all sorts of space to come back to. This is why he hasn't stuck anywhere after being drafted at the top of the 2nd. He can run routes pretty well but he is hopeless at reading defenses and making himself available for his QB.

I know people hate the injury excuse and I totally understand that but shavers/moore missed pretty much every adjustment all night lol.  I’m all for thinking Palmer is just ok so far but I doubt he has that problem 

[HappyDays]

Just now, Generic_Bills_Fan said:

I know people hate the injury excuse and I totally understand that but shavers/moore missed pretty much every adjustment all night lol.  I’m all for thinking Palmer is just ok so far but I doubt he has that problem 

 

My take in the offseason was that if you're going to run an offense without a true #1, then your #4 and #5 WRs become that much more important. You can't have no #1 and also have your depth WRs be completely useless. Moore and Shavers are not rosterable NFL players and we were forced to try and rely on them in the 2nd half last night. It's inexcusable roster mismanagement.

[BillsFan692]

35 minutes ago, Billz4ever said:

Don't think our scheme is ever changing though as long as McD is here.

 

It's his defense.

And the real ones know it's also his offense. 

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

Just now, HappyDays said:

 

My take in the offseason was that if you're going to run an offense without a true #1, then your #4 and #5 WRs become that much more important. You can't have no #1 and also have your depth WRs be completely useless. Moore and Shavers are not rosterable NFL players and we were forced to try and rely on them in the 2nd half last night. It's inexcusable roster mismanagement.

That’s definitely fair 

[TBBills Fan]

29 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

My god Elijah Moore is terrible. His CB is playing with vertical leverage and he has all sorts of space to come back to. This is why he hasn't stuck anywhere after being drafted at the top of the 2nd. He can run routes pretty well but he is hopeless at reading defenses and making himself available for his QB.

This is true.  If he came back that's a catch. Josh ready it right I think. Moore did not

[Dillenger4]

34 minutes ago, mjt328 said:

 

A lot of people seem to think our problem is mental.  

The one year we were too overconfident and bought into the hype.  The next year we were sad about Damar Hamlin.  We need to be an underdog to have that fire.  I just can't buy any of this.

 

I've come to the conclusion our #1 problem is talent.  Second is coaching.  

Key players have gotten old/retired (White, Poyer, Hyde, Milano).  League-wide tendencies have gradually made our defensive scheme outdated.  Our outside/downfield WRs are terrible and can't get open.  Josh Allen is finally tired of destroying his body playing Superman for 5 months every season.  

 

In terms of health, no team is ever going to be 100% healthy.  Especially a team that purposely drafts undersized players.  Terrel Bernard gets hurt all the time, because he's too small to be a MLB.  Taron Johnson is always hurt, because we try to use him like a third linebacker.  We also want CBs who rally and tackle over guys who cover tight and defend passes.

 

Yep - I agree 100%.

Our defense has no Dawgs. We are an old team. The league has caught up with us. As one of my fellow Bills friends said to me last night - the worm has turned. We are no longer the head. That window for Josh? Ummm... it;s getting cold outside. slam!

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

59 minutes ago, Billz4ever said:

Don't think our scheme is ever changing though as long as McD is here.

 

It's his defense.

I wish it was easier to find blitz/man defense rates haha I’m way too sad to rewatch the last few games.  To me it feels like the scheme is changing which is either a good or bad thing depending on how you look at it 😂 but I could be wrong. 

[TBBills Fan]

https://www.nbcsports.com/nfl/profootballtalk/rumor-mill/news/reality-is-setting-in-for-the-bills

[Buffalo4Life01]

I agree with most of this but let's be honest, Buffalo is NOT guaranteed to make the playoffs.  Maybe they turn it around like they did last year after the embarrassing losses to the Ravens and Texans, but maybe they don't.  I just don't see the assets necessary to bring in a wr or a cb/safety to help boost the talent level at spots of glaring need right now.  The defense can't even wrap guys up and make routine tackles right now.  The hallmark of a McDermott defense, scheme over talent, everyone acting as a unit and doing their job, and absolutely taking care of the basics like flying to the ball carrier and making the tackle....these things are are just not there right now and I don't know if the team has it in them to flip a switch and get it back on track.  We'll know a lot more about the trajectory of the season in two weeks with a gut check game at the all of a sudden surging Carolina Panthers.  Lose that game and things will get ugly real quick....

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

3 minutes ago, TBBills Fan said:

https://www.nbcsports.com/nfl/profootballtalk/rumor-mill/news/reality-is-setting-in-for-the-bills

Im all for the overall negativity but the Baltimore point is so annoying…we saw a much better Baltimore team than anyone else did 

[TBBills Fan]

2 minutes ago, Generic_Bills_Fan said:

Im all for the overall negativity but the Baltimore point is so annoying…we saw a much better Baltimore team than anyone else did 

I agree. Healthy and motivated 

[LabattBlue]

Does anyone really believe Larry Oogieboogie and Jochen Hecht are going to turn this putrid defense around?

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

6 minutes ago, Buffalo4Life01 said:

I agree with most of this but let's be honest, Buffalo is NOT guaranteed to make the playoffs.  Maybe they turn it around like they did last year after the embarrassing losses to the Ravens and Texans, but maybe they don't.  I just don't see the assets necessary to bring in a wr or a cb/safety to help boost the talent level at spots of glaring need right now.  The defense can't even wrap guys up and make routine tackles right now.  The hallmark of a McDermott defense, scheme over talent, everyone acting as a unit and doing their job, and absolutely taking care of the basics like flying to the ball carrier and making the tackle....these things are are just not there right now and I don't know if the team has it in them to flip a switch and get it back on track.  We'll know a lot more about the trajectory of the season in two weeks with a gut check game at the all of a sudden surging Carolina Panthers.  Lose that game and things will get ugly real quick....

The defense is a straight up enigma…I really think there’s players playing well and a lot of them were meant to be depth pieces it is so strange.  Deone Walker gives me a sliver of hope as that is notoriously one of the big problem spots..  I think there’s still a chance they turn it around 

3 minutes ago, LabattBlue said:

Does anyone really believe Larry Oogieboogie and Jochen Hecht are going to turn this putrid defense around?

I think Hoecht could be great tbh and he plays a few positions of enormous need.  Ogunjobi is a veteran coming off a few bad years that maybe a change of scenery helps.  I don’t have as much hope for him 

Edited 5 hours ago by Generic_Bills_Fan

[RkFast]

46 minutes ago, BillsFan692 said:

And the real ones know it's also his offense. 

 

Daboll and Dorsey and Brady have all run VASTLY different offenses.