How Good is Joe Brady?

[BillsShredder83]

9 minutes ago, Mikie2times said:

Nobody is saying Dorsey is better. But you will never get a read on what Brady actually is with Allen. 

I mean I don't think we can assume Brady would be successful if he leaves Buffalo, 50/50, maybe less. 

I dont think thats fair.  He put together a REALLLLY fun offense with rag-tag ass Carolina in 2021. 

 

With their typical dog*** OL along with Teddy B, Robbie Chosen, NO CMC, DJ Moore and Curtis Samuel.  Not the worst WR room ever, but certainly was not supposed to be a room with 3 guys over or a doghair under 1k yards.

 

Id just moved down here at that point and watched a ton of that team, nothing short of amazing what he did.  Coach Rhule firing him was the most spineless cowardice move Ive ever seen LOL

[Mikie2times]

Just now, VW82 said:

I'm still on the fence about Brady as a play caller but in terms of the direction we've moved our offense - run oriented, tough, multiple TE/HB alignments - for which I have to assume Brady has had significant input, he's been great for us there.  

 

2 minutes ago, GASabresIUFan said:

I see your point, but I'll respectfully disagree.  Yes Brady has coached generational talent in college (Burrow) and the pro (Allen), but he scheme completely different offenses based on the talent in hand.  At LSU, Brady had Burrow, Chase and Jefferson.  He had Burrow throw the ball all over the place.   In Carolina, despite losing McCaffery and having Teddy Bridgewater as a QB, he successfully ran an offense through only 4 other offensive players (RB Davis, WRs Chosen, Moore and Samuel). No real TE impact.  In Buffalo, he has adjusted again to his personnel, with a deep RB and TE rooms and WR talent in the slot (Shakir and Moore).  

The Panthers were not good. Sub 20 ranking in everything. Perhaps that is talent. But then you have LSU, which is largely considered to be the most talented offense of all time. Literally, all time. Now he has what is likely to be the most physically gifted QB of all time. So two stops with absurd talent and success. One stop without absurd talent and no success. Given Dorsey and Daboll's performance post Allen, I think it's 50/50 as far as how he would do with a flat out average roster. 

 

With that said I think his structure and philosophy are good for us and exactly what Josh needed. He is not screwing this up like a Dorsey did. I don't think it's possible he is bad at what he does. I just don't know how good he is at what he does.   

3 minutes ago, BillsShredder83 said:

I dont think thats fair.  He put together a REALLLLY fun offense with rag-tag ass Carolina in 2021. 

 

With their typical dog*** OL along with Teddy B, Robbie Chosen, NO CMC, DJ Moore and Curtis Samuel.  Not the worst WR room ever, but certainly was not supposed to be a room with 3 guys over or a doghair under 1k yards.

 

Id just moved down here at that point and watched a ton of that team, nothing short of amazing what he did.  Coach Rhule firing him was the most spineless cowardice move Ive ever seen LOL

I can only define success by results, not what you saw

[HappyDays]

It's really difficult to tell exactly how good he is. Allen single handedly erases a lot of stalled drives and the only other time Brady was an NFL OC he failed and got fired.

 

The best thing he has going for him is he knows what his players do well and he only asks them to do those things. Compared to Dorsey where for example he would ask Gabe Davis to read coverages and catch a lot of targets. As soon as Brady took over that kind of nonsense stopped.

 

His play design and play calling is simple, for better or worse. He calls a few select formations and only has like 3-4 concepts he calls out of each of those formations. He basically tells the opposing defense I think I can call these plays even when you know they're coming and I dare you to stop it. We've seen that strategy falter a bit when defenses sell out to stop specific plays, but it's hard to argue with the results. Any given week we can put up 30+ points while barely breaking a sweat. Yes we have Allen as the ultimate force multiplier but that's been true since 2020 and we've only seen the week to week consistency show up since Brady took over.

 

I don't think he's particularly creative and he can be a bit too conservative for my liking so I would say he both significantly raises our floor and slightly reduces our ceiling.

 

Edited 1 hour ago by HappyDays

[HOUSE]

There are worse coaches 

[Captain Hindsight]

He keeps all the juice in his office apparently 

[Mikie2times]

I think what's important to focus on here is his system is very good for Josh and if he leaves, what happens as far as his replacement will be one of the bigger hires McD has made. A Dorsey like mistake would be devastating at this point. I feel like as far as a system goes, this is our final version. We need to just keep iterating on this base system like the Patriots. No broad changes at this point. 

[BillsFan130]

Better than Babich that's for sure 

[GASabresIUFan]

Food for thought:

 

Since Brady took over as OC in 2003 the Bills are 23-5 with 19 games 30 pts or more including 5 games over 40 points.  We have averaged 30.5 pts per game over those 28 regular season games.

 

In 5 playoff games, the Bills have averaged 28.4 pts per game and are 3-2.  

 

The only true offensive clunker during his tenure was the Baltimore beatdown last season.  Baltimore's destruction of the defense that day took the Bills out of their O game plan as well and team didn't recover.  The Bills are 2-0 against Baltimore since scoring 68 points.

[FireChans]

1 hour ago, GASabresIUFan said:

What do you mean by this?  Everyone eats is a cornerstone to GB's offense as well

Our scheme asks more of Josh Allen than the derivative Shanny scheme asks of Love

[FireChans]

36 minutes ago, Mikie2times said:

I think what's important to focus on here is his system is very good for Josh and if he leaves, what happens as far as his replacement will be one of the bigger hires McD has made. A Dorsey like mistake would be devastating at this point. I feel like as far as a system goes, this is our final version. We need to just keep iterating on this base system like the Patriots. No broad changes at this point. 

The only way to do that is to hire Brady’s underling and hope he can run the same thing as well.

 

Which is what happened to Dorsey when Daboll left. 
 

The Eagles lost their OC this offseason and their offense is a shell of itself with basically the exact same cast.

 

Brain drain is unfortunately real.

 

The irony is that Joe Brady is likely to get fired at his next stop because he doesn’t have Josh Allen, and our offense is likely going to go through growing pains again because we lose Joe Brady. 

[thenorthremembers]

2 hours ago, Mikie2times said:

As Dorsey showed, any coordinator can have success with Allen. It just takes basic competency. Brady is having strong success. I don't know if that is enough for me to say he's really good or not. I'm not sure everybody eats elsewhere.  

They were 5-5 when Dorsey got fired.  I wouldnt call that success.

[Jalan81]

1 hour ago, HappyDays said:

It's really difficult to tell exactly how good he is. Allen single handedly erases a lot of stalled drives and the only other time Brady was an NFL OC he failed and got fired.

 

The best thing he has going for him is he knows what his players do well and he only asks them to do those things. Compared to Dorsey where for example he would ask Gabe Davis to read coverages and catch a lot of targets. As soon as Brady took over that kind of nonsense stopped.

 

His play design and play calling is simple, for better or worse. He calls a few select formations and only has like 3-4 concepts he calls out of each of those formations. He basically tells the opposing defense I think I can call these plays even when you know they're coming and I dare you to stop it. We've seen that strategy falter a bit when defenses sell out to stop specific plays, but it's hard to argue with the results. Any given week we can put up 30+ points while barely breaking a sweat. Yes we have Allen as the ultimate force multiplier but that's been true since 2020 and we've only seen the week to week consistency show up since Brady took over.

 

I don't think he's particularly creative and he can be a bit too conservative for my liking so I would say he both significantly raises our floor and slightly reduces our ceiling.

 

Exactly 👍