B-Man Posted September 24 Posted September 24 To say that God is truth is to acknowledge that truth itself proceeds from the nature of God. While many things can have the truth, only one thing can be the truth, with that one thing being God Himself. https://www.gotquestions.org/God-is-truth.html .
Joe Ferguson forever Posted September 24 Author Posted September 24 5 minutes ago, BillsFanNC said: Be the change Quack! If not in the cesspool of PPP, then where? 😂 wow. projection much. you have nearly 24k posts. are you changing the world? I'm just trying to make the cesspool more reasoned with this.
Joe Ferguson forever Posted September 24 Author Posted September 24 (edited) 9 minutes ago, B-Man said: To say that God is truth is to acknowledge that truth itself proceeds from the nature of God. While many things can have the truth, only one thing can be the truth, with that one thing being God Himself. https://www.gotquestions.org/God-is-truth.html . There are absolutes on earth. a person is either alive or dead, The earth is round. Gravity exists etc. These things don't have truth, they are truth. "have the truth" is slippery, sliding into relativism. Edited September 24 by Joe Ferguson forever
Wolfgang Posted September 24 Posted September 24 1 hour ago, B-Man said: To say that God is truth is to acknowledge that truth itself proceeds from the nature of God. While many things can have the truth, only one thing can be the truth, with that one thing being God Himself. https://www.gotquestions.org/God-is-truth.html . Did god tell you this himself?
The Frankish Reich Posted September 24 Posted September 24 3 hours ago, B-Man said: Yes. Truth exists. John 14:6: "Jesus said to him, “I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me". In this statement, Jesus identifies Himself as the absolute truth and the only means of reaching God Your theology profs at St Bonnie's did a poor job of teaching you. That is not Catholic doctrine. 2 hours ago, Joe Ferguson forever said: There are absolutes on earth. a person is either alive or dead, The earth is round. Gravity exists etc. These things don't have truth, they are truth. "have the truth" is slippery, sliding into relativism. Not to get all epistemological on you, but ... ... you are unwittingly falling into the What is a Woman? trap. 1
sherpa Posted September 24 Posted September 24 4 minutes ago, The Frankish Reich said: Your theology profs at St Bonnie's did a poor job of teaching you. That is not Catholic doctrine. Catholic doctrine is neither Biblical or superior to what is stated in the Bible.
The Frankish Reich Posted September 24 Posted September 24 (edited) 6 minutes ago, sherpa said: Catholic doctrine is neither Biblical or superior to what is stated in the Bible. True. But I think the person this was directed to - the guy with the Catholic College banner - is drawing on it. Catholic doctrine is both more and less "inclusive." Catholic theologians have a hard time believing that a society completely cut off from Christians is necessarily eternally doomed. They also have problems with the souls of all those who came before Christ, including all the Jews from which Christ emerged. Dante kind of posited all those rings of hell to deal with this. Mormons have an easy fix: they go back through genealogical records and convert people who've died (after all, had they known the true word they would have chosen to follow it) and even marry the dead to each other. Evangelical type Christians kind of ignore the implications that those who lived completely pure and innocent lives are doomed just because the missionaries didn't make it to the next stop upriver. Edited September 24 by The Frankish Reich 1
JDHillFan Posted September 24 Posted September 24 3 minutes ago, The Frankish Reich said: True. But I think the person this was directed to - the guy with the Catholic College banner - is drawing on it. You think? From the two posts he put up? I would be fascinated to hear how you arrived at this.
The Frankish Reich Posted September 24 Posted September 24 Just now, JDHillFan said: You think? From the two posts he put up? I would be fascinated to hear how you arrived at this. From the two posts? Try "from the 69.6k posts." Bills Rainman of all people should have a little historical context at the ready. I know Sherpa was raised Catholic and now is more in the evangelical Christian camp, having rejected non-Biblical Catholic theology. Imagine that! I've never even PM'd him about his beliefs. 1
JDHillFan Posted September 24 Posted September 24 1 minute ago, The Frankish Reich said: From the two posts? Try "from the 69.6k posts." Bills Rainman of all people should have a little historical context at the ready. I know Sherpa was raised Catholic and now is more in the evangelical Christian camp, having rejected non-Biblical Catholic theology. Imagine that! I've never even PM'd him about his beliefs. The guy put up two posts with bible verses. Your response - “your education sucked, and you don’t know anything about Catholic dogma”. That’s effing weird.
The Frankish Reich Posted September 24 Posted September 24 Just now, JDHillFan said: The guy put up two posts with bible verses. Your response - “your education sucked, and you don’t know anything about Catholic dogma”. That’s effing weird. Why don't you ask our Bonnie friend? Oh, and by the way:
Joe Ferguson forever Posted September 24 Author Posted September 24 1 hour ago, The Frankish Reich said: Your theology profs at St Bonnie's did a poor job of teaching you. That is not Catholic doctrine. Not to get all epistemological on you, but ... ... you are unwittingly falling into the What is a Woman? trap. No. There are many examples of hermaphroditism. That’s truth.
sherpa Posted September 24 Posted September 24 1 hour ago, The Frankish Reich said: I know Sherpa was raised Catholic and now is more in the evangelical Christian camp, having rejected non-Biblical Catholic theology. Imagine that! I've never even PM'd him about his beliefs. It isn't complicated. I don't believe in invented traditions. Those invented traditions are exactly what Jesus confronted the Pharisees with. So, while I am immensely complimentary about what the Catholic Church has done, ie., charities, hospitals, schools, missions and on, I think the theology is wrong on the periphery. To wit, the office of the Pope, the entire "Mary" thing, the veneration of saints, and the paying for indulgences. 1
Pokebball Posted September 24 Posted September 24 5 hours ago, Joe Ferguson forever said: it's who you are. own it. btw, I' d argue that your most recent answer to tibs was a red herring fallacy. We could make the entire forum into a logical exercise. wouldn't that be fun! So there is no truth but you're calling out fallacies? Let me sleep on this and get back to you 1
The Frankish Reich Posted September 24 Posted September 24 5 minutes ago, sherpa said: It isn't complicated. I don't believe in invented traditions. Those invented traditions are exactly what Jesus confronted the Pharisees with. So, while I am immensely complimentary about what the Catholic Church has done, ie., charities, hospitals, schools, missions and on, I think the theology is wrong on the periphery. To wit, the office of the Pope, the entire "Mary" thing, the veneration of saints, and the paying for indulgences. Perfectly fair. Belief is belief, and I am not one to criticize it. I just stepped in here to correct what I thought was a misrepresentation of Catholic doctrine. Those years of Catholic school stick with you ... 51 minutes ago, Joe Ferguson forever said: No. There are many examples of hermaphroditism. That’s truth. Words have meaning only in a social context.
Tenhigh Posted September 24 Posted September 24 6 hours ago, Joe Ferguson forever said: This is not about one particular issue. It's about absolutes. Are there any? Does logic exist? Does truth exist? Is it important? We all use logical fallacies in our arguments, some more than others. But would it be preferable to avoid them or not purposefully use them at all? I think there are absolutes and that logic exists and is vital towards the search for truth which we all should want. https://academicinfluence.com/inflection/study-guides/logical-fallacies#tu-quoque A common fallacy deployed here lately has been "everyone does it so it's ok for he/me to do it". I think this is a variation on #7 in the above link. Ad hominems, appeals to authority, straw men and non sequiturs are in abundance here as well, from both sides.. Would it make for better debate if we tried to avoid these? Or is that unrealistic or simply wrong? You have to practice what you preach though, because you have lost any credibility my man, so no one is taking you seriously. Id love to have honest discussions and find common ground with people on this board. Some, on both sides, don't seem to want that.
JDHillFan Posted September 24 Posted September 24 5 hours ago, Joe Ferguson forever said: I'm just trying to make the cesspool more reasoned with this. Here’s you three days ago. Maybe let someone else try to make the cesspool more reasoned. On 9/21/2025 at 10:55 PM, Joe Ferguson forever said: Fact is that you’re a moron. My dogs pee on your face. 2
Orlando Buffalo Posted September 24 Posted September 24 6 hours ago, Joe Ferguson forever said: This is not about one particular issue. It's about absolutes. Are there any? Does logic exist? Does truth exist? Is it important? We all use logical fallacies in our arguments, some more than others. But would it be preferable to avoid them or not purposefully use them at all? I think there are absolutes and that logic exists and is vital towards the search for truth which we all should want. https://academicinfluence.com/inflection/study-guides/logical-fallacies#tu-quoque A common fallacy deployed here lately has been "everyone does it so it's ok for he/me to do it". I think this is a variation on #7 in the above link. Ad hominems, appeals to authority, straw men and non sequiturs are in abundance here as well, from both sides.. Would it make for better debate if we tried to avoid these? Or is that unrealistic or simply wrong? Since you are the #1 purveyor of these "tricks" it surprised me that you started this thread but admitting it is a good first step. 1
4th&long Posted September 24 Posted September 24 Truth does exist, not that any politician would know the first thing about it.
Royale with Cheese Posted September 24 Posted September 24 This is heartbreaking because everything this guy says is true.…this thread is about truth right? This was someone’s children. Shooter got both. There is nothing sadder in this world. What are the Dems actually doing to make the inner cities safer? Yet Conservatives are racist because they want crime to be tougher? Conservatives do not want to defund the police. We want more for everyones safety. Light consequences…this is the result. We have cases of people being arrested dozens of times and walking the streets. You have 4 teens torture a lady to death, they were celebrating in the courtroom because they were under 18, could only be tried as a juvenile so they’ll get a couple years at the most. Light consequences man….this is the result. Not to mention, you have a BLM advocate that was just sentenced to 20 months in prison for spending the donations on personal expenses….only 20 months! How does that not enrage supporters of this organization? Complete manipulation and fraud. I have donated to St. Jude’s, if I found out that paid for the Chairmans vacation, I would be livid! I just don’t understand those selective outrage, especially one that was so disgraceful towards you. 1
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