boyst Posted September 12 Posted September 12 Just now, Logic said: Well, that's what I mean about nuance and about things not fitting into our traditional "left vs right" narrative. As I understand it, lots of Groyper talk IS anti modern conservativism and anti-republicanism....but only because they seem to feel that those ideologies aren't far right ENOUGH. Aren't extreme ENOUGH. So while he may have been anti-republican, it also appears that he was a far right extremist. Politics are a circle when you get far enough around it becomes totalitarian. Conservative values (and classic liberal) values are no where near where the groypers are, which is next to the fascists, which is directly at the bottom where totalitarians are and beside socialists/communists/marxists A fringe group of 40 groypers is not a big enough sect to care about for most but amazingly our FBI missed this... Huh 1
Big Blitz Posted September 12 Posted September 12 1 minute ago, Logic said: Thanks. Yeah, I pointed that out in my original posting. That that was a factual inaccuracy. I don't think it invalidates the rest of Cochran's thread, and I think the 18 tweet thread about Groypers that I posted adds further context. Nevertheless, Robinson at this moment appears more likely to be a far right extremist than a leftist of any stripe. Regardless, he appears to have been mentally unwell and steeped in hateful online culture and rhetoric. And this is what law enforcement says was on those casings
BillsFanNC Posted September 12 Author Posted September 12 1 minute ago, boyst said: Ok, you walked into it, sweet pea. A guy you ignore you call out every time you can. You don't read his posts and never met him, or me. I've met him. He's met me. If you met either of us you'd relax a whole, whole bunch. We are people just like you. So, settle your ass down. I can post however I want. Again, you're sounding like Billstime/Roundy, who I'd bet have actually tried to report me for ignoring them. 😂 And I likely would chill and have a beer with both of you, or maybe I'd find you both to be actual morons. But we'll never know. 1 minute ago, boyst said: It's concerning that someone you've never met, don't read the posts of (supposedly) has triggered you for 4 years. If I'm jaur I get a TRO because you are a weirdo. Triggered! 😂 Jauronimo shows up down here once in a blue moon. Sometimes I remind him of his moronic posts, and it wasn't just the trans stuff, sometimes I don't. Sounds like you're a bit triggered because I called out your buddy. Don't worry I'm sure that Jauronimo, despite being a moron, will be just fine. 1
ALLinALLEN Posted September 12 Posted September 12 6 minutes ago, boyst said: Not that I debate or engage trolls (you)... We have been told antifa is not a collective, an organization, or community. It is a random set of individuals who share a common belief. At least that's what your leader @Roundyboutsaid,more or less Ok man, whatever floats your boat. Sorry we disagree.
Logic Posted September 12 Posted September 12 2 minutes ago, boyst said: Politics are a circle when you get far enough around it becomes totalitarian. Conservative values (and classic liberal) values are no where near where the groypers are, which is next to the fascists, which is directly at the bottom where totalitarians are and beside socialists/communists/marxists A fringe group of 40 groypers is not a big enough sect to care about for most but amazingly our FBI missed this... Huh I don't disagree with most of what you're saying. The problem is that the toothpaste is already out of the tube. They already jumped as fast as they could to label Robinson a member of the "radical left", and now Fox News and Newsmax are gonna run with that narrative for days on end, and millions of Americans are going to (or already do) believe it. I don't blame law enforcement agencies OR the media (for the most part) for being ill-equipped to understand or contextualize this stuff. I DO blame politicians who jumped at the chance to use this as an opportunity to vilify the left. Jumping at the first chance to tell the whole country that the left is to blame BEFORE ANYONE WAS EVEN APPREHENDED appears to have been, ya know....not great! 2
Yobogoya! Posted September 12 Posted September 12 People in this thread be acting like the guy who took a shot at Reagan didn’t do it because he thought it would make Jodi Foster fall in love with him. This kid is nothing but disturbed. Doesn’t matter if he fired the bullet in service to Trump, Marx or Kaiser Pepe the Frog. 1 1
JDHillFan Posted September 12 Posted September 12 49 minutes ago, The Frankish Reich said: How do you know that? Here’s a question for you - how could you have read his disgusting, poisonous comment and this be your only question/comment about it? Joshypoo is gay and fully supports the Palestinian cause. Self-hating in your estimation? Or just hateful?
Royale with Cheese Posted September 12 Posted September 12 5 minutes ago, Logic said: If you've truly taken the time to understand what the Groyper War movement is, and if you accept what seems to be mounting evidence that Robinson was a Groyper... ..and if after that you're STILL calling him a leftist, well then...I'm sorry, but I think you ought to re-read the Groyper stuff and make a better effort to understand what it is and what it means. I grant that it's nuanced stuff, and there are layers to it, and it doesn't fit a lot of our traditional narratives of what "right" and "left" even mean, and that a lot of us (myself included) are still learning what it all means, but... Robinson does not appear to be a leftist. He appears to be an adherent of a fringe, extremist movement born in the underbelly of the far right. Im not denying he was part of that group. Im stating they have a similar ideology. Anti-fascism and the Italian phrase written on the bullet casing….that exact phrase adopted by ANTIFA. The goal of ANTIFA is to end fascism. This is a hybrid group that has radicalized left ideology. Charlie Kirk would not have been assassinated if their actions were the same as their message. He shared their values.
Logic Posted September 12 Posted September 12 2 minutes ago, Big Blitz said: Again: This ignores the mounting evidence that Robinson was a Groyper, and that it was the extremist rhetoric of that movement that was to blame, not democrats. I get that many on the right view this as a great opportunity to pin this tragedy on the "radical left" and rile up its base to think that big, bad antifa was beyond this. Unfortunately for that narrative, Robinson appears more likely to have been a far right extremist than a leftist of any sort.
Cugalabanza Posted September 12 Posted September 12 7 minutes ago, boyst said: This is the left side.... This is the right side Fascist is not on this side ... Fascist is in this side. Glad I could help. Hey Boyst! Yeah, I get the spectrum. But being anti-fascist is not unique to the radical left. I think it's understood (at least it used to be) that pretty much everyone is anti-fascist, except the fascists. I'm anti-communism, but that doesn't put me in the dark red. I think this left/right line represents a lot of the misunderstanding that plagues us. It is, by definition, one dimensional. There are other dimensions that would represent other values, ones that more of us likely share. The ones having to do with the way we live in our families, at work and in the world. 2
BillsFanNC Posted September 12 Author Posted September 12 1 minute ago, Big Blitz said: No, it's anything but that. Video games, 4chan, groyper, Halloween costumes..... Anything but the exact language used for the past decade on repeat from the media and dem leaders to describe Trump, Kirk etc. It can't be that. It must not be that.
JDHillFan Posted September 12 Posted September 12 30 minutes ago, nedboy7 said: Why no thread on the kids that died in Evergreen few days ago or the radicalized shooter Investigators believe the shooter was radicalized by an extremist network, with social media accounts linked to him containing white supremacist content, antisemitic material, and references to previous school shootings like Columbine. Start one
Big Blitz Posted September 12 Posted September 12 1 minute ago, TH3 said: Keep digging It ain’t hard. 1
Lost Posted September 12 Posted September 12 4 minutes ago, Logic said: I don't disagree with most of what you're saying. The problem is that the toothpaste is already out of the tube. They already jumped as fast as they could to label Robinson a member of the "radical left", and now Fox News and Newsmax are gonna run with that narrative for days on end, and millions of Americans are going to (or already do) believe it. I don't blame law enforcement agencies OR the media (for the most part) for being ill-equipped to understand or contextualize this stuff. I DO blame politicians who jumped at the chance to use this as an opportunity to vilify the left. Jumping at the first chance to tell the whole country that the left is to blame BEFORE ANYONE WAS EVEN APPREHENDED appears to have been, ya know....not great! Were you concerned all those years when the entire TRUMP was a Russian asset and his entire base were nazis and the media just kept pouring gasoline on the fire?
AlBUNDY4TDS Posted September 12 Posted September 12 2 minutes ago, Cugalabanza said: Hey Boyst! Yeah, I get the spectrum. But being anti-fascist is not unique to the radical left. I think it's understood (at least it used to be) that pretty much everyone is anti-fascist, except the fascists. I'm anti-communism, but that doesn't put me in the dark red. I think this left/right line represents a lot of the misunderstanding that plagues us. It is, by definition, one dimensional. There are other dimensions that would represent other values, ones that more of us likely share. The ones having to do with the way we live in our families, at work and in the world. Who on the right screams Donald Trump is a fascist? Seems like it's the left that adopted this overwhelming popular statement.
boyst Posted September 12 Posted September 12 Also feuntes has been all over and saying he is pissed. If you Google him you get articles from great places like the splc hate group and nyt idiots saying he is dangerous alt right. He is not far from Alex Jones ish in his method but he is sad about Charlie, promoting no calls of violence, and saying he has no connection.
muppy Posted September 12 Posted September 12 13 minutes ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said: Crazy is as crazy do. It’s virtually always this way. Right wing…left wing…irrelevant to me in the grand scheme of things. Most non-crazy people don’t shoot other human beings in the neck from a secreted location, or shoot people out shopping at a TOPS, or climb on a roof and take a pot shot at a guy running for President. Mental illness is the fashionable term, &$&@ing lunatics is appropriate. The rhetoric from leaders is certainly problematic at times, and to be clear, I’m talking about most leaders of the modern era, but somehow, someway an estimated 258,460,000+\- adults managed not to climb a building and take a shot at a guy talking to a group of kids on a college campus and 1 found a way to reveal his madness in a massive way. When I was a kid, I was climbing over some snow banks and made it to the snow fence separating the public from the general public. I stepped on the fence, the wood slats broke under my 75ish pound frame, and I dropped almost straight down onto the gigantic splinters that were left. The snow gear helped, but fortunately the spikes did not break the skin on my leg, nor anywhere else in the very important area immediate area south of the belly button or north of the mid thigh. There are other stories like that, near misses, decisions to avoid a place and time, and we all have them. Sometimes you have to get lucky in life (Trump moving at the last second before being struck), and poor Charlie Kirk was not so fortunate. where have you been? Steering clear of PPP ? I don't blame you. honestly What a horrible tragic mess. I wont be quieted by rabid few hateful individuals so no worries Im good. I'll see you around Best to you.m
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