A Different Vibe from McDermott

[HomeskillitMoorman]

11 hours ago, Nihilarian said:

Does anyone remember the 2023 season?  The Buffalo Bills were 6-6 at one point, and the Miami Dolphins were 9-3. Things were looking pretty bleak for the Bills to win the division that season. While Josh Allen is great...the team was still 6-6 with Diggs getting most of the passes. It is a team sport, and all facets of the team matter!

 

McD stood up and made a change at OC that went against what a lot of the players wanted at the time. Buffalo finished first at 11-6 and won the division. Buffalo swept the Dolphins, winning that last game of the season.

 

In my view, this franchise has been so freaking close to getting to the Super Bowl the last five seasons, and the team keeping them out has mostly been the Chiefs. The winningest NFL team over the last five years. 

 

Some Buffalo Bills fans are just so darn miserable that all they want to do is cry in their beer because the team hasn't made it to the Super Bowl recently.  Why not relish the fact that the team has been on the verge of getting to the big dance nearly every season. 

 

 

 

P.S. In 2021, the Baltimore Ravens lost a ton of players due to injuries and went 8-9 that season. Crap happens! It's kind of foolish to blame that season on the HC or GM. Every season since then, they have also been vying for an SB berth. I can't even imagine what this board would plunge into if this year's Buffalo team had a losing season.

 

I don't think we've been that close at all to getting to the SB for the last 5 seasons. 2021 and 2023 we got blown out, 2024 would have been pretty tough to pull off with that D. 3 of those years were 3 Divisional losses in a row.

 

Last year we were close to getting there, maybe the 13 seconds game year with how dialed in the offense was? But even then McD's defense was a total sieve, we likely would have had to score 30+ in every game the rest of the way to win it all. It could have been done but the obstacle McD and his incompetency on his side of the ball presents here is and obviously has been really tough to overcome in January. I don't agree that we've been on the verge of winning it nearly every season...most of the seasons we haven't. 

 

Most of us believe Allen is right up there with Mahomes and any other QB...but he's been to 5 SB's and our guy has been to none despite overall playing lights out in the playoffs and really only having 1 clunker, the Cincy game. Mahomes has had multiple clunkers and still has gotten to 5 SB's and won 3. He has had contributions from his defense and coaching, something we have not for a long time now. 

 

It's just not as simple as saying "well this is better than the drought years" because we do have a generational QB. The expectations and standards change. We've been underperforming in the postseason with what we have now. I think the example people talked about here was a really good one about MJ and losing to the Pistons and how they overcame it when they hired a new coach that helped get them over that hump. MJ even really liked Doug Collins, the guy he couldn't win it all with, and he was a good coach...but he struggled with taking that team to the next level. 

 

Is it possible to win it all in spite of having a coach that struggles with that? Sure. But why keep that obstacle in place? Like another poster mentioned, as an example what if we have another lights out offensive season with Brady and the D lets us down again for the 7th straight postseason and we lose and teams are calling about Brady...does it make sense at that point to keep McD when we could promote Brady and keep the offense and hire a new D coordinator that can maybe just make the unit somewhat close to mediocre in the playoffs? I think that's a good question for people who do really like McD. 

 

 

[HomeskillitMoorman]

1 hour ago, Augie said:

 

So your answer is a 35 year old guy who had never been a HC and has only been an offensive coordinator for one year? That’s quite a gamble with so much at stake. How long are you willing to give him to see if he pans out? How many years of Josh’s career are you willing to risk wasting? 

 

But why do you see it as a waste if we don't win it all in future seasons with a new coach but don't see it that way with what's been happening already? By that definition hasn't McDermott wasted almost all of Josh's 20's over the last 7 years? The same question could be asked of you for wanting to stick with him...how many years of Josh's career are you willing to risk wasting?

[Avisan]

35 minutes ago, uticaclub said:

So you are admitting we have a lack of talent

?  Of course we have talent gaps.  Just about every team has talent gaps.  That's the whole point of a salary cap, to enforce relative parity.

 

I also freely admit that water is wet.

 

I think Beane gives out too many mid-value contracts to league vets in decline, but that's his only real downside and the Bills have a very good overall roster despite that.

[SoonerBillsFan]

It really doesnt matter at this point. Reality is we are winning, Allen brings in tickets,so Terry is happy.

 

  Superbowl be damned.

Edited September 5 by SoonerBillsFan

[T master]

23 minutes ago, uticaclub said:

You think McDermott wouldn’t have cleaned house and brought in his own guys? Schwartz defensive philosophies are the exact opposite of McDermott’s; but keep telling yourself that. When has a coach been hired and kept the last staffs coordinators around? 

 

The Rex teams were close to the playoffs, just needed an extra bounce or call to go our way.

Bellicek kept 5 previous people when hired in NE from Pete Carrols staff, although very rare as you have pointed out, McD did keep Crossman when he was hired I would believe because he did decent job .

 

IMHO which I could be very wrong, I feel that if McD would have had the same defensive coordinator in Schwartz with the same results that Schwartz defense was putting out when Ryan was hired he "MAY HAVE" taken a longer look at it and possibly given Schwartz more rope than Rex did due to the successes that Schwartz had .

 

But Schwartz could see that Rex and his ego was something he couldn't work with and decided to leave which I wish Schwartz would have been given a chance to be HC for a bit of continuity but wasn't given the chance .

[Max Fischer]

12 hours ago, HomeskillitMoorman said:

 

Let's say for a second we all came to an agreement on this issue where you're at...does that change that McD's defenses have been a weakness and let us down in just about every postseason? What if as a defensive coach his defenses just keep costing us huge even more in January? Do we just stay status quo because they hit on the QB even if McD is not the right guy to get us over the hump? 

 

Sure, we can all agree that the defense has come up short in the playoffs — especially in the biggest moments. But let’s not pretend that these losses were blowouts or coaching disasters from start to finish.

 

Every playoff loss under McDermott, except one, came down to a handful of plays. The margins were razor-thin. A couple of missed tackles here, a coin flip there, a coverage breakdown, a failed 4th down — and suddenly we’re rewriting the whole legacy?

 

Yes, the defense didn’t hold when it mattered most. That’s fair criticism. But what seems wildly unrealistic is the idea that firing the entire coaching staff and front office is some magic reset button that guarantees we land in the Super Bowl. That’s just not how the NFL works.

 

Plenty of teams have chased that dream — blown it up, hired the next genius, and ended up in years of mediocrity, wasting their elite QB’s prime. We have no guarantee that a new staff would take us higher. And the chances they take us lower? Just as real, if not more.

 

McDermott and Beane aren’t perfect, but they’ve built a perennial contender around Allen. They’ve given us consistent playoff appearances, top-tier rosters, and a chance every year. That’s not something to toss aside lightly.

 

Yes — some teams have won it all after making bold coaching changes. But for every team that succeeded, there are three more that spiraled. We might not like hearing it, but stability and continuity still matter.

 

If we’re going to criticize the defense (fair), let’s also acknowledge reality: this team has been inches from a Super Bowl — multiple times. Changing coaches might help… or it might set us back years.

 

Are we willing to bet Josh Allen’s prime on that gamble?

 

[folz]

On 9/4/2025 at 8:40 AM, LarryMadman said:

Instant gratification? Lol..... how long should we wait? Allen is pushing 30 and will have been our QB for 8 years this year and he is the best performing QB of all time in the playoffs and its not even close, to have that and still fail, nah get out of here, Sean can go. Stick your instant gratification where the sun dont shine. McDermott has failed Josh time and again and its time to not fail, if he fails again this year sean needs to get out!

 

On 9/4/2025 at 9:19 AM, twoandfourteen said:

“Instant gratification”?

 

McDermott has had seven seasons with arguably the best QB in NFL history and has not even managed a Super Bowl appearance. 

 

Allen turns 30 in May. He has three — maybe four, if he doesn’t get hurt — years left in his prime before a rapid decline sets in. 

 

How much longer are you going to give McDermott and Beane to keep “learning things”?

 

I don’t even care if they win the ring or not right now, but they HAVE to get to the Super Bowl this year — otherwise Terry needs to throw both of them overboard. 

 

You guys keep saying 7 years with one of the best QBs ever, etc. And I will continue to retort with context.

 

Do you not remember 2017-2019? It wasn't that long ago. It was a team in total rebuild. It was a miracle that they made the playoffs in 2017 with that roster, and you know what? The 2018 roster got even worse as Beane cleared the cap. Yes, Josh came in in 2018, and we as Bills fans saw the flashes right away (particularly that Minnesota game), but Josh was EXTREMELY RAW as a QB prospect. Do you not remember how many people doubted Josh, said he was terrible, pointed to his completion percentage, turnovers, and boneheaded plays when he was playing "hero ball" in his first few years? Josh did not come in as a HOF player, it took time to develop him. And not only did this regime pick him and have confidence in him (when almost the entire football world, including MANY Bills fans, had already written him off), they developed him and had the right culture for Josh to succeed in, etc. But, let's just discount all of that.

 

Josh came into his own in 2020 and started playing like one of the best QBs in the league. But, he was still learning and growing. 2020/2021 were the years that defenses started running a lot of cover zero, etc. against the Bills and Chiefs, to slow down Mahomes and Allen. It took a little while for both QBs to learn and grow from that---to take what the defense gives them, short passes, dump offs, rather than going for home runs. Josh had to learn patience and how to manage the offense better. There was also a season, I can't remember which, that Josh was having trouble with the long ball and had to work on that. Josh did not come to the Bills fully formed, i.e. Josh was not the Josh of today in his first few years (obviously very few QBs are, the good ones get better, but Josh had a lot further to go than most---of course, he did it in record time---because Josh is Josh, but he had help too). It's crazy to think that McD had a legitimate shot to win a Super Bowl with Josh in 2018 and 2019, due to both the overall roster and Josh's development. Not sure you can count those two years as should of, could of.

 

As far as the playoff losses, let's start with Cincinnati (2022 season):

You can disagree with me all you like, but imo, I don't think there is any coach who gets that team to the Super Bowl that year. With what happened to Damar, the Christmas blizzard, and the injuries (on top of everything else that happened that season---I won't go through them all) that team wasn't going anywhere even if Andy Reid, Bill Parcells, Bill Walsh, Bill Bellichick, and Vince Lombardi were coaching that team. They just had nothing left in the tank come playoff time. They aren't robots.

 

2019: Houstion. Josh and the team were definitely not Super Bowl caliber yet. We were still rebuilding and Josh was still learning and growing.

 

In 2020, we made it to the AFC Championship game...we were good, but the talent-level and experience of Kansas City (plus a little help from the refs) was too much. That Bills team was not ready yet, both personnel-wise (we were severely lacking in depth and had some weak starting spots and a banged up receiving corps) and experience-wise (and yes, that includes the head coach and the quarterback...I think they both learned a lot from that game).

 

So, now we get to the 2021, 2023, and 2024 seasons (imo, our best shots at the big dance). Three losses to K.C., two in the divisional round, one in the AFC Championship. At the end of regulation of those three games, the Chiefs were up six points. We basically lost to them by an average of 2 points/game over three games. A dynasty-team that has appeared in 5 of the last 6 Super Bowls, winning three of them. They have been in the AFC Championship Game all seven of the last seven years. And again, if it weren't for the refs, I think we win last year's game. If Bass makes the field goal, we may have won in 2023. If the Bills win the coin toss in 2021, the Bills probably win. 

 

I know it's frustrating because of how close we have been, but...we have been that close and still are---year in and year out. The more at bats you have the better your chance of hitting the home run. And this regime is giving us the at bats. One ball bounces our way or a little luck from the football gods and we'll reach the promised land.

 

 

Stats are good for showing trends and averages, but no stat is an absolute predictor. A stat like "never has a Coach/Qb combo been together for 5 years and won a Super Bowl," or whatever is only a stat until it isn't a stat. Every record in sports eventually gets broken. That stat does not mean it can't or won't ever happen. Plus, as my post is stating, you have to look at context. Each situation is unique. Did a coach step into a team with an 8-year vet HOF QB and an already established organizational culture and a good roster? Or a raw rookie QB on a rebuilding team, etc. Context matters.

 

Also, I highly doubt that if we made a Super Bowl and lost, that the anti-McD and/or anti-Beane fans would be happy. They would probably be calling for their heads even louder. "You see, McD can't win the big game, he plays not to lose, etc."

 

 

And finally, as has been pointed out many times by many posters, just having a great, HOF-caliber QB (and good coaching) does not guarantee Super Bowl appearances, let alone Lombardi Trophies:

Drew Brees (future HOF): 1 Super Bowl appearance and win in 20 years (with Sean Payton as his coach for the majority of his career, a coach that many said they would take over McDermott any day of the week. But by Bills fans' standards, didn't then Payton "waste" Drew Brees' career?).

Aaron Rodgers (future HOF): 1 Super Bowl appearance and win in 20 years (with Mike McCarthy his HC for most of his career).

Dan Marino (HOF): 1 Super Bowl appearance/loss in 17 years (with Don Shula as his HC).

Brett Favre (HOF): 2 Super Bowl appearances, one win, one loss in 20 years (Mike Holmgren and Mike Sherman as his main HCs).

Steve Young (HOF): 1 Super Bowl appearance and win (as a starter---made a SB in 1990 but as a backup to Montana) in 11 years as a starter.

 

Those aren't just HOF QBs, they are some of the best to ever play (all of them are top 10-12 all time; three of them are probably top 5 all-time). Yet, combined, they have 6 Super Bowl appearances and 4 Super Bowl wins in 88 seasons. Or, in 82 of 88 seasons (93% of their careers), they did not even appear in a Super Bowl. It's just not as easy as some of you guys think, no matter how good your quarterback is. 

 

[DrDawkinstein]

17 minutes ago, Max Fischer said:

Plenty of teams have chased that dream — blown it up, hired the next genius, and ended up in years of mediocrity, wasting their elite QB’s prime. We have no guarantee that a new staff would take us higher. And the chances they take us lower? Just as real, if not more.

 

 

Plenty of teams? Like who? Which perennial playoff team fired their Head Coach and regressed so terribly?

 

The Eagles fired Reid and won a Super Bowl with his successor.

Then fired THAT GUY, and have since gone back to TWO Super Bowls winning one of them.

The Bucs moved on from Dungy and won the Super Bowl the next year.

The Colts fired Dungy and went to the SB the next year.

The Cowboys fired Jimmy Johnson and won a SB with his replacement the following year.

 

I look forward to your examples of playoff teams that fired their head coach and then fell apart.

 

17 minutes ago, Max Fischer said:

If we’re going to criticize the defense (fair), let’s also acknowledge reality: this team has been inches from a Super Bowl — multiple times. Changing coaches might help… or it might set us back years.

 

Are we willing to bet Josh Allen’s prime on that gamble?

 

 

Yes. I'm willing to take that chance because what we already have has proven he cant get it done.

 

No matter who we hire, the rest of the Division still sucks while we still have Josh. So winning the division and making the playoffs every year is a given. That is our floor. For McD or the new hire. There is no "setting us back years". Worst case is a wild card spot if there is a year NE gets hot.

 

If we took that gamble and hired a new HC, how long would you give him before you were calling for them to be fired? Is it as long as the 5-6 season with "good Josh" that McDermott has gotten, plus how many more you are willing to give him?

 

If we fall short again in the playoffs this year, and it's once again obviously due to the defense, will that start you coming around? Or are you dug in on McD forever?

 

Worse than a gamble you are betting on a horse who has proven he cant win the race.

 

 

Edited September 5 by DrDawkinstein

[Nihilarian]

3 hours ago, nuklz2594 said:

Who would you want to replace the hc? A retreat former nfl coach? A shiny new college coach?

My issue is that we have already seen the choice that this owner made when he first hired Rex Ryan. Looking at his "hands-on" with the Sabres, does anyone here trust him to find anyone anywhere near as good as Beane and McD? I certainly don't, and it would take something monumentally bad to happen for this owner to change the HC in Buffalo. So basically...IT AIN'T GONNA HAPPEN.

 

He found a diamond in the rough in both Beane and McDermott as both were first-timers at their respective jobs. Look at all the coaches Buffalo went through to find McD, and he brought in Brandon Beane. Seventeen years, man, seventeen years!  Look at all the coaches the Dolphins, Jets, and Patriots went through to find their stars. So many Bills fans wanted desperately to hire Bill Belichick to replace McD when he was fired in NE. How's that looking now?

 

 

[B-Man]

 

 

 

"Get better as the season goes on" is fine.

 

But if the coaching staff doesn't really how important having the win advantage over Baltimore is in the AFC, I don't know what to say.

 

I predict that the offense will struggle because Allen didn't play a down in preseason.

 

Of course I hope that I am very wrong.

 

 

.

[DrDawkinstein]

Just now, Nihilarian said:

My issue is that we have already seen the choice that this owner made when he first hired Rex Ryan. Looking at his "hands-on" with the Sabres, does anyone here trust him to find anyone anywhere near as good as Beane and McD? I certainly don't, and it would take something monumentally bad to happen for this owner to change the HC in Buffalo. So basically...IT AIN'T GONNA HAPPEN.

 

He found a diamond in the rough in both Beane and McDermott as both were first-timers at their respective jobs. Look at all the coaches Buffalo went through to find McD, and he brought in Brandon Beane. Seventeen years, man, seventeen years!  Look at all the coaches the Dolphins, Jets, and Patriots went through to find their stars. So many Bills fans wanted desperately to hire Bill Belichick to replace McD when he was fired in NE. How's that looking now?

 

 

 

Major difference between how Pegula handles the Sabres vs how he handles the Bills.

 

He thinks he's a hockey guy. Thats how he got into this whole sports business to begin with. He has a very active role in the Sabres hirings.

 

With the Bills and NFL, he knows he's in over his head. HE didnt find McD, a consulting firm he hired did. He would hire that same consulting firm.

 

None of the previous hires over "17 years" matter since it was different ownership and management.

[Max Fischer]

12 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

Plenty of teams? Like who? Which perennial playoff team fired their Head Coach and regressed so terribly?

 

The Eagles fired Reid and won a Super Bowl with his successor.

Then fired THAT GUY, and have since gone back to TWO Super Bowls winning one of them.

The Bucs moved on from Dungy and won the Super Bowl the next year.

The Colts fired Dungy and went to the SB the next year.

The Cowboys fired Jimmy Johnson and won a SB with his replacement the following year.

 

I look forward to your examples of playoff teams that fired their head coach and then fell apart.

 

 

Yes. I'm willing to take that chance because what we already have has proven he cant get it done.

 

No matter who we hire, the rest of the Division still sucks while we still have Josh. So winning the division and making the playoffs every year is a given. That is our floor. For McD or the new hire. There is no "setting us back years". Worst case is a wild card spot if there is a year NE gets hot.

 

If we took that gamble and hired a new HC, how long would you give him before you were calling for them to be fired? Is it as long as the 5-6 season with "good Josh" that McDermott has gotten, plus how many more you are willing to give him?

 

If we fall short again in the playoffs this year, and it's once again obviously due to the defense, will that start you coming around? Or are you dug in on McD forever?

 

Worse than a gamble you are betting on a horse who has proven he cant win the race.

 

 

 

I'll bite:  Who do you have in mind for GM and a Coaching Staff?  

 

What if Josh doesn't want a change?

 

[DrDawkinstein]

3 minutes ago, Max Fischer said:

 

I'll bite:  Who do you have in mind for GM and a Coaching Staff?  

 

What if Josh doesn't want a change?

 

 

Answer my questions first.

 

What are your examples from these "plenty of teams" who were good, made a coaching change, and then wasted their elite QB's prime, as you said.

 

If we fall short again in the playoffs this year, and it's once again obviously due to the defense, will that start you coming around? Or are you dug in on McD forever?

 

 

Edited September 5 by DrDawkinstein

[Nihilarian]

1 hour ago, uticaclub said:

You think McDermott wouldn’t have cleaned house and brought in his own guys? Schwartz defensive philosophies are the exact opposite of McDermott’s; but keep telling yourself that. When has a coach been hired and kept the last staffs coordinators around? 

 

The Rex teams were close to the playoffs, just needed an extra bounce or call to go our way.

 Rex Ryan took the best defensive front in the NFL and ruined it by changing over to "his" scheme. Buffalo, under DC Schwartz, had the best pass rush and sacks in the NFL. Ryan changed that to have the D linemen dropping into pass coverage so the crappy LBers could rush the passer. The man is a walking, talking wart! 

[Max Fischer]

21 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

Plenty of teams? Like who? Which perennial playoff team fired their Head Coach and regressed so terribly?

 

The Eagles fired Reid and won a Super Bowl with his successor.

Then fired THAT GUY, and have since gone back to TWO Super Bowls winning one of them.

The Bucs moved on from Dungy and won the Super Bowl the next year.

The Colts fired Dungy and went to the SB the next year.

The Cowboys fired Jimmy Johnson and won a SB with his replacement the following year.

 

I look forward to your examples of playoff teams that fired their head coach and then fell apart.

 

 

Yes. I'm willing to take that chance because what we already have has proven he cant get it done.

 

No matter who we hire, the rest of the Division still sucks while we still have Josh. So winning the division and making the playoffs every year is a given. That is our floor. For McD or the new hire. There is no "setting us back years". Worst case is a wild card spot if there is a year NE gets hot.

 

If we took that gamble and hired a new HC, how long would you give him before you were calling for them to be fired? Is it as long as the 5-6 season with "good Josh" that McDermott has gotten, plus how many more you are willing to give him?

 

If we fall short again in the playoffs this year, and it's once again obviously due to the defense, will that start you coming around? Or are you dug in on McD forever?

 

Worse than a gamble you are betting on a horse who has proven he cant win the race.

 

 

 

The Eagles fired Reid and won a Super Bowl with his successor. 

- Reid was fired in 2012. You may have forgotten the Chip Kelly fiasco. The Eagles didn't win the Super Bowl until 2017.  Five years. 

 

Titans fired Jeff Fisher and hired Mike Muncheck.  That was a disaster.

 

Bengals fired Marvin Lewis and the team fell apart. The good news is they were so bad they got Joe Burrow. 

 

Chargers fired Marty Shottenheimer and they have never been as good. 

 

Bears fired Lovie Smith and they haven't been good since. 

 

No doubt there are more. 

 

Continuity isn’t everything… but it’s not nothing. And the cost of guessing wrong can be wasting multiple years of a franchise QB’s prime.

 

 

 

7 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

Answer my questions first.

 

What are your examples from these "plenty of teams" who were good, made a coaching change, and then wasted their elite QB's prime, as you said.

 

If we fall short again in the playoffs this year, and it's once again obviously due to the defense, will that start you coming around? Or are you dug in on McD forever?

 

 

 

Your turn. 

Edited September 5 by Max Fischer

[DrDawkinstein]

16 minutes ago, Max Fischer said:

 

The Eagles fired Reid and won a Super Bowl with his successor. 

- Reid was fired in 2012. You may have forgotten the Chip Kelly fiasco. The Eagles didn't win the Super Bowl until 2017.  Five years. 

 

Titans fired Jeff Fisher and hired Mike Muncheck.  That was a disaster.

 

Bengals fired Marvin Lewis and the team fell apart. The good news is they were so bad they got Joe Burrow. 

 

Chargers fired Marty Shottenheimer and they have never been as good. 

 

Bears fired Lovie Smith and they haven't been good since. 

 

No doubt there are more. 

 

Continuity isn’t everything… but it’s not nothing. And the cost of guessing wrong can be wasting multiple years of a franchise QB’s prime.

 

 

 

Then fired THAT GUY, and have since gone back to TWO Super Bowls winning one of them.

The Bucs moved on from Dungy and won the Super Bowl the next year.

The Colts fired Dungy and went to the SB the next year.

The Cowboys fired Jimmy Johnson and won a SB with his replacement the following year.

 

The Titans were 8-8 then 6-10 before firing Fisher and had an aging Kerry Collins at QB. Doesnt fit your example.

 

The Bengals were 6-10 and 7-9 before firing Lewis, who already had a reputation for underperforming, and had 2nd tier QB Andy Dalton at the helm. Not elite and doesnt fit your example. And Zac Taylor with Burrow has absolutely been a better situation.

 

The Chargers went right back to the AFC Championship the year after firing Marty, and made the playoffs the next 4 years under Turner. No big drop off.

 

The Bears were 10-6 and 8-8 and hadnt made the playoffs for 2 years before firing Smith. Doesnt really fit your qualifiers.

 

All these examples, plus my examples, have proven is that truly good teams with great QBs do NOT fall off with a coaching change. With more of them being even more successful after the change.

 

The only reason not to change is fear.

 

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And the cost of guessing wrong can be wasting multiple years of a franchise QB’s prime.

 

We are already wasting them. That's the point. So to the second question...

 

If we fall short again in the playoffs this year, and it's once again obviously due to the defense, will that start you coming around? Or are you dug in on McD forever?

 

How many more years of Josh's prime are you willing to continue wasting? 1? 5? All of them?

 

 

Edited September 5 by DrDawkinstein

[Nihilarian]

10 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

Major difference between how Pegula handles the Sabres vs how he handles the Bills.

 

He thinks he's a hockey guy. Thats how he got into this whole sports business to begin with. He has a very active role in the Sabres hirings.

 

With the Bills and NFL, he knows he's in over his head. HE didnt find McD, a consulting firm he hired did. He would hire that same consulting firm.

 

None of the previous hires over "17 years" matter since it was different ownership and management.

Yea, Terry is the hockey guy, and Kim was the one who wanted to buy the Buffalo Bills, as she grew up in Rochester, Fairport/Pittsford, I forget. She was a Buffalo Bills fan. Terry liked the Detroit Lions. My thoughts are that both of them talked to prospects and decided on Rex Ryan. I also believe that Kim has been more instrumental in how they hired McD. 

 

If you have followed the Buffalo Bills' success, you would see that Terry has been heavily involved in every aspect of the team. The draft, training camp, practices, and games. This is what concerns me because he is so overly involved in everything having to do with the Buffalo Bills. The very last thing I want to see in Buffalo is another Jerry Jones. It could be...now he thinks he is a football guy!

[T.E.]

2 hours ago, JerseyBills said:

That's a good one but in all seriousness we needed it this year , I'll always say if Benford doesn't get hurt or we had better depth we're AFC champs and potentially SB 

To McDermott's credit, we've missed out in like four SB trips due to an absolutely colossal injury on the defense.

[FireChans]

1 hour ago, Max Fischer said:

Plenty of teams have chased that dream — blown it up, hired the next genius, and ended up in years of mediocrity, wasting their elite QB’s prime.

Name the team and elite QB for each team that this has ever happened to in the last 25 years.

[Max Fischer]

43 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

The Titans were 8-8 then 6-10 before firing Fisher and had an aging Kerry Collins at QB. Doesnt fit your example.

 

The Bengals were 6-10 and 7-9 before firing Lewis, who already had a reputation for underperforming, and had 2nd tier QB Andy Dalton at the helm. Not elite and doesnt fit your example. And Zac Taylor with Burrow has absolutely been a better situation.

 

The Chargers went right back to the AFC Championship the year after firing Marty, and made the playoffs the next 4 years under Turner. No big drop off.

 

The Bears were 10-6 and 8-8 and hadnt made the playoffs for 2 years before firing Smith. Doesnt really fit your qualifiers.

 

All these examples, plus my examples, have proven is that truly good teams with great QBs do NOT fall off with a coaching change. With more of them being even more successful after the change.

 

The only reason not to change is fear.

 

 

We are already wasting them. That's the point. So to the second question...

 

If we fall short again in the playoffs this year, and it's once again obviously due to the defense, will that start you coming around? Or are you dug in on McD forever?

 

How many more years of Josh's prime are you willing to continue wasting? 1? 5? All of them?

 

 

 

Your turn. So tell us which coach is going to guarantee greater success? You have to assume the whole coaching staff goes.  What about Beane and the front office?  Do they escape your wrath, or is that too inconvenient?