The Alaska Summit

[TH3]

36 minutes ago, Albwan said:

   I find it hilarious the lefty commies and their parrots are saying it's a complete failure, they rather the US go the biden 

rout and keep feeding(and laundering) money to Ukraine.

Biden how long you gonna play that card…How has DT done anything productive ?   Other than capitulate America’s leadership position on the world stage.

[sherpa]

7 minutes ago, TH3 said:

How has DT done anything productive ?  

 

I think that getting the border secured and getting most NATO countries to provide something close to what they promised are OK.

[JDHillFan]

10 minutes ago, TH3 said:

Biden how long you gonna play that card…How has DT done anything productive ?   Other than capitulate America’s leadership position on the world stage.

 

On 6/30/2024 at 9:36 AM, TH3 said:

I am a Republican  

As a republican, you must be somewhat satisfied with him effectively shutting down the border. Or, as a Republican, did you prefer the way the last crew handled it?

Edited August 17 by JDHillFan

[\GoBillsInDallas/]

1 hour ago, SectionC3 said:

You guys spend so much time defending his BS that you forget about inflation, the Epstein files, the declining job market, and the crappy consumer confidence.  The forest has been lost through the trees. 

 

[Big Blitz]

 

 

Libs begging this clown to not end the war

 

 

[Big Blitz]

 

 

"When I hear people say that, 'oh, it elevates him.' Well, all we do is talk about Putin all the time! All the media's done is talk about Putin all the time for last four, five years. That doesn't mean he's right about the war. That doesn't mean he's justified about the war. Put all that aside. It means you're not going to have a peace agreement between Russia and Ukraine. You're not going to end a war between Russia and Ukraine without dealing with Putin!"

 

"That's that's just common sense. I shouldn't even have to say it! So people can say whatever they want. Ultimately, at the end of the day, we have to get the Russian side to agree to things that they don't want to agree to if we're going to have peace. If not, there'll just be a war."

 

"They'll keep k*lling each other and life will go on in America and in the rest of the world, but not for Ukraine. So the president has invested a lot of time in trying to bring an end to this war. He deserves credit for doing that. He gets criticism for doing that. He could have just let this war go on. The president could have just said, 'this is Biden's war, it started under him, we'll do what we can for Ukraine, but we're going to focus on other things.' He could have easily said that. But he's the only leader in the world that got Putin to a meeting to talk about serious things."

[ComradeKayAdams]

On 8/16/2025 at 12:18 PM, The Frankish Reich said:

1. Crimea. Admit that it's gone. Russia took it over a decade ago and the international community did little. It is the bargaining chip.

2. Some minor border adjustments in the Donbas to reflect the reality of the pre-war population (more Russia-oriented) and the current population (basically only Russian and Russian-oriented population left). Ukraine to have a very minor face-saving border adjustment of it's own.

3. Russia to withdraw from all other regions. 

4. Status of Ukraine (EU/NATO membership) to be deferred to some kind of peace process.

 

If Putin gets to keep Crimea and the Donbas region, then NATO+EU membership and full war reparations should be Ukraine’s BARE MINIMUM expected return! If Trump is worth his alleged “art of the deal” reputation, then he should also be able to negotiate for substantial Russian territory and/or natural resources awarded to Ukraine.

 

What’s obviously complicating these negotiations is the fact that Russia has been so surprisingly good at shielding themselves from international economic blowback, particularly with regard to energy resources. I’ll also remind everyone that Trump and the United States hold no higher ethical ground over Putin with regard to border integrity and international human rights. Our funding of the Gaza genocide and Likud’s Greater Israel project has consequences, with compromised diplomacy being an acutely stark example.

[Wolfgang]

53 minutes ago, ComradeKayAdams said:

 

If Putin gets to keep Crimea and the Donbas region, then NATO+EU membership and full war reparations should be Ukraine’s BARE MINIMUM expected return! If Trump is worth his alleged “art of the deal” reputation, then he should also be able to negotiate for substantial Russian territory and/or natural resources awarded to Ukraine.

 

What’s obviously complicating these negotiations is the fact that Russia has been so surprisingly good at shielding themselves from international economic blowback, particularly with regard to energy resources. I’ll also remind everyone that Trump and the United States hold no higher ethical ground over Putin with regard to border integrity and international human rights. Our funding of the Gaza genocide and Likud’s Greater Israel project has consequences, with compromised diplomacy being an acutely stark example.

 

 

 

 

[Trump_is_Mentally_fit]

This deal has a long way to go. 

 

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/08/18/world/europe/putin-trump-zelensky-ukraine.html

 

The territory proposal by Mr. Putin has renewed the possibility of friction between Washington and Kyiv, which Moscow would welcome after celebrating the Oval Office blowup between the American and Ukrainian leaders earlier this year.

“It’s a very smart ploy by Putin,” said Alexander Gabuev, director of the Carnegie Russia Eurasia Center. Mr. Gabuev said the proposal could be a “poison pill” designed to weaken Ukraine internally or get Mr. Trump to walk away from Mr. Zelensky if the Ukrainian leader refuses.

 

Ukraine’s Constitution bars ceding territory other than through a nationwide referendum. A recent poll by the Kyiv International Institute of Sociology found that 78 percent of Ukrainians were against transferring territory controlled by Ukraine to Russia.

 

The Kremlin typically sees the Donbas as comprising the Donetsk and Luhansk regions in eastern Ukraine. Moscow has taken nearly all of Luhansk, but despite trying for more than a decade, it hasn’t managed to wrest full control of the Donetsk region. Ukraine still controls more than 2,500 square miles of territory there.

 

It has strategic value for Ukraine. Two cities, Kramatorsk and Sloviansk, have served as a Ukrainian military hub since Russia mounted a hybrid invasion of the area in 2014 and are among the most heavily fortified parts of the front. If Ukrainian forces were to fall back, they would lose those defenses. At least 200,000 Ukrainians also still live on the land.

“Some of Ukraine’s strongest defensive positions are in Donetsk, and ceding those defenses would position Russia to reattack in the future from a much more advantageous position,” said David Shimer, who led Ukraine policy on the White House National Security Council during the Biden administration. Ceding the region, he said, would be a “massive concession.”

[AlBUNDY4TDS]

3 hours ago, ComradeKayAdams said:

 

If Putin gets to keep Crimea and the Donbas region, then NATO+EU membership and full war reparations should be Ukraine’s BARE MINIMUM expected return! If Trump is worth his alleged “art of the deal” reputation, then he should also be able to negotiate for substantial Russian territory and/or natural resources awarded to Ukraine.

 

What’s obviously complicating these negotiations is the fact that Russia has been so surprisingly good at shielding themselves from international economic blowback, particularly with regard to energy resources. I’ll also remind everyone that Trump and the United States hold no higher ethical ground over Putin with regard to border integrity and international human rights. Our funding of the Gaza genocide and Likud’s Greater Israel project has consequences, with compromised diplomacy being an acutely stark example.

If Isreal commits genocide, what does Palestine do? Cause Palestine is all about a peaceful coexistence with Isreal correct?

[B-Man]

 

 

Your Sunday Clarice. . . . . . . . . . 

 

 

East to Alaska

By Clarice Feldman

 

On Friday, Russian President Vladimir Putin flew to Alaska to meet with President Trump in an effort to resolve the long-running war with Ukraine. (Too many geographically handicapped people believed SNL’s skit deriding Sarah Palin, asserting that she had said she could see Russia from her home, and they were surprised to learn how short an eastward trip from Russia is to the United States.)

 

For a long time, corporate media have largely framed the war as one of an innocent party viciously attacked by a big neighbor, one that is worthy of unending military and financial support. As Trump has signaled, he’s had enough and wants Ukraine’s neighbors, whose interest is greater than ours, to step up, and several Western European leaders have mouthed support. In advance of the summit, Stephen Bryen set out some relevant facts, most of which are not well-publicized elsewhere, one of the most pertinent of which is that support for the war has dropped substantially in Ukraine:

 

“More than three years into the war, Ukrainians’ support for continuing to fight until victory has hit a new low. In Gallup’s most recent poll of Ukraine -- conducted in early July -- 69% say they favor a negotiated end to the war as soon as possible, compared with 24% who support continuing to fight until victory.

This marks a nearly complete reversal from public opinion in 2022, when 73% favored Ukraine fighting until victory and 22% preferred that Ukraine seek a negotiated end as soon as possible. Yet, Zelensky continues doing whatever he can to sabotage the Trump-Putin meeting in Alaska and to behave as if Ukraine's army still has some hope of winning a war they are clearly losing.”

 

He adds that Europe is in no realistic position to enforce any ceasefire which might be agreed upon:

 

A European military contingent is, theoretically, supposed to enforce a ceasefire, the other demand made by Zelensky and his European allies. The idea behind this is a sort of plan (one hesitates to call it that, but it is what it is) to get a cheap ceasefire deal, send in troops, and then restart the war against Russia.

In fact, Europe has no means to follow through on this -- having neither the troops nor the cash to back up Zelensky’s intransigent position.

 

{SNIP}

 

Hans Mahncke has an idea (which I share) about what took place in Alaska:

 

Here’s what likely happened at the Alaska Summit. The broad outlines of a Ukraine peace agreement were already in place -- otherwise Trump wouldn’t have agreed to a summit at all. Yesterday was about confirming that everyone’s on the same page and committed to moving forward. Trump’s new insistence on going straight to a full peace agreement, not just a cease fire, is another sign of that. On Monday, little Zelensky will be told what the deal is. He might throw another tantrum, in which case he and his European friends will eventually find out the hard way that it won’t end well for them. Or he might come to his senses, accept reality, and take the deal, in which case things will move very quickly. 

 

Mahncke views Zelensky’s latest tweet about how well his war is going as akin to a Hitler-in-the-bunker statement.

 

Whether or not you agree, my view is that reality wins in the end, and Trump’s view, unlike Zelensky’s or Britain’s or Germany’s or France’s,

is one that accords with it.

 

Much more at the link:  https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2025/08/east_to_alaska.html

 

 

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[B-Man]

 

 

 

 

We had a long and substantive conversation with @POTUS

We started with one-on-one talks before inviting European leaders to join us.

This call lasted for more than an hour and a half, including about an hour

of our bilateral conversation with President Trump.

 

Ukraine reaffirms its readiness to work with maximum effort to achieve peace.

President Trump informed about his meeting with the Russian leader and

the main points of their discussion.

 

It is important that America’s strength has an impact on the development

of the situation.

 

We support President Trump’s proposal for a trilateral meeting between Ukraine,

the USA, and Russia.

 

Ukraine emphasizes that key issues can be discussed at the level of leaders,

and a trilateral format is suitable for this.

 

On Monday, I will meet with President Trump in Washington, D.C., to discuss

all of the details regarding ending the killing and the war.

 

I am grateful for the invitation.

 

It is important that Europeans are involved at every stage to ensure reliable

security guarantees together with America. We also discussed positive signals

from the American side regarding participation in guaranteeing Ukraine’s security.

 

We continue to coordinate our positions with all partners.

 

I thank everyone who is helping.

 

 

 

[The Frankish Reich]

3 hours ago, ComradeKayAdams said:

 

If Putin gets to keep Crimea and the Donbas region, then NATO+EU membership and full war reparations should be Ukraine’s BARE MINIMUM expected return! If Trump is worth his alleged “art of the deal” reputation, then he should also be able to negotiate for substantial Russian territory and/or natural resources awarded to Ukraine.

 

What’s obviously complicating these negotiations is the fact that Russia has been so surprisingly good at shielding themselves from international economic blowback, particularly with regard to energy resources. I’ll also remind everyone that Trump and the United States hold no higher ethical ground over Putin with regard to border integrity and international human rights. Our funding of the Gaza genocide and Likud’s Greater Israel project has consequences, with compromised diplomacy being an acutely stark example.

What you say is correct in a perfect world, but that world was not the Biden World and certainly isn't Trump World.

 

I think reparations are off the table. It simply won't happen.

 

It's ridiculous that Trump has effectively taken NATO membership off the table in negotiations. It seems the thinking is something short of accession to NATO (with it's security guarantees) and something more like a European military presence. No one knows exactly what the sentiment of the Ukrainian populace is today, but it seems like there's a strong sentiment toward some significant territorial concessions as long as there is reasonable assurance that Putin will declare victory and leave them alone, at least as far as invasion/bombing goes ... I would expect him to keep meddling on the political/covert front, because the KGB is gonna KGB.

[The Frankish Reich]

15 hours ago, Big Blitz said:

 

 

Libs begging this clown to not end the war

 

 

What an insane/inane talking point. Yes, Zelensky could surrender. Isn't the whole point of this - including Europe's/the USA's involvement to avoid surrender to aggressive dictators? Aren't we concerned about what Putin may do next? About where this leaves Taiwan?

[Wolfgang]

19 hours ago, \GoBillsInDallas/ said:

 

 

 

 

I do love white women...

[Trump_is_Mentally_fit]

35 minutes ago, Wolfgang said:

 

 

 

I do love white women...

Maybe someday one will actually talk to you, though no one is holding their breath...

[B-Man]

 

 

 

[B-Man]

 

 

 

 

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[Figster]

22 hours ago, \GoBillsInDallas/ said:

 

I also can't argue with that

[SectionC3]

On 8/17/2025 at 6:15 PM, leh-nerd skin-erd said:

Of course, if AG Barr had written all that, we wouldn’t need you to create your own painfully flawed analysis of what he actually wrote.  In the meantime, we can just roll with what he shared publicly.  He is, after all, a “lawyer who does this stuff” on quite a high level.  

Yet, here we are, the good and decent people of the country having access to information rejected just about all you claim to know and think, the heavy-handed politicization of the type of government you support,  and the silliness of the Russian narrative.  No obstruction.  No coordination.  No collusion. 

My *ss.  Barr had the case for about five minutes.  He's a political appointee of the guy he declined to prosecute.  By contrast, the guy who had it for months and had a team of investigators reached the conclusion that you just can't acknowledge.  No exoneration, and legally sufficient evidence of an obstruction crime.  And yet Barr wouldn't take it to a grand jury and let the grand jury and the courts decide.  There's the painful flaw - even if Barr felt differently, he didn't spend the time with it, and didn't let a trier of fact (eventually) decide.  

23 hours ago, JDHillFan said:

You seem upset. I think it’s TRUMP related. All my best. 
 

I do thank you for getting back to Epstein though. I was afraid you had lost the plot.

Oh I'm great.  A little sympathetic toward you, though.  Your constant state of delusion and obsession is kind of sad.