Way To Early 53 man Roster prediction. 45 Picked. You fill the last 8

[BillsFanForever19]

1 hour ago, NickelCity said:

 

Seems like something that easily could have been done in deference to his year in the system though. 

 

I mean, maybe? Training Camp depth charts don't mean a whole lot. But combine that with Codrington starting the game and it's hard for me to say right now that they view Shenault the #1 Returner.

 

Things can change and Shenault could be the lead Return man at some point in the Pre-Season. But again, until I see that, and perhaps Codrington being showcased later in the final games, I don't believe they view Shenault as above Codrington.

[GunnerBill]

7 hours ago, GASabresIUFan said:

Green vs Van Denmark.  

 

If SVPG is out (on the PUP or season ending IR), Green is making this team over VD.  The OL has depth on the ends with Grable and Lundt, but Anderson would be the only backup inside and doesn't play center.  

 

Anderson does play center - he was the #2 center the entire pre-season last year and has done it in relief og McGovern when he has got nicked up in games. And they have used both Grable and Lundt inside some in camp as well as at tackle. 

 

As for Green... the Bills didn't use him at center last week even with Anderson out. He played RG on the 2nd string OL. Dan Feeney played center. With Brown, Anderson and Grable out and SVPG still on PUP they went:

 

1st string: Dawkins - Edwards - McGovern - Torrence - Van Demark

 

2nd string: Lundt - Gouraige - Feeney - Green - Van Demark 

 

 

[GASabresIUFan]

7 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Anderson does play center - he was the #2 center the entire pre-season last year and has done it in relief og McGovern when he has got nicked up in games. And they have used both Grable and Lundt inside some in camp as well as at tackle. 

 

As for Green... the Bills didn't use him at center last week even with Anderson out. He played RG on the 2nd string OL. Dan Feeney played center. With Brown, Anderson and Grable out and SVPG still on PUP they went:

 

1st string: Dawkins - Edwards - McGovern - Torrence - Van Demark

 

2nd string: Lundt - Gouraige - Feeney - Green - Van Demark 

 

 

I doesn't change the fact that management will want a 2nd backup inside and Green is a better option than Grable, Lundt and VanD

Edited August 14 by GASabresIUFan

[GunnerBill]

14 minutes ago, GASabresIUFan said:

I doesn't change the fact that management will want a 2nd backup inside and Green is a better option than Grable, Lundt and VanD

 

I think ideally they would. But I just think the others are clearly superior players and with longer term potential. Green or Feeney will likely be retained on the PS and if they got an injury they'd be activated. 

 

The way the rules are these days encourages teams to keep the young developmental guys on the 53 and the experienced but limited vet guys on the PS.

[buffaloboyinATL]

It is not two early. There are only to pre-season games too go.

 

(sorry, I had to get that out of my system.  Go Bills!) 

[3rdand12]

22 hours ago, BillsFanForever19 said:

 

No one's giving us anything for a guy under a 1 year contract with 5.43m in guaranteed money that's suspended for the first 6 weeks of the year.

I meant after the suspension. I was surprised Bills liked him to begin with

Sorry to bother you

[BillsFanForever19]

9 minutes ago, 3rdand12 said:

I meant after the suspension. I was surprised Bills liked him to begin with

Sorry to bother you

 

No need to apologize, never a bother 3rd.

 

But yeah, even after the suspension, it's unlikely. No one's giving us anything to have Larry Ogunjobi for 11 games and pay for him on top of it.

 

I'm not surprised they liked him. I'm not even surprised they decided to sign him after they found out he was suspended. I am surprised that they did so and guaranteed 5.4m of his 6.6m contract.

 

If it were me, i'd have pulled way more guaranteed money than that and if he didn't like that, I'd have said "go see what your options are now and give us a call back".

[Ayjent]

I'm starting to feel like keeping Shenault and Shavers and cutting Samuel is a real possibility.  I think Samuel is just not available enough and Shenault covers the same versatility and special teams.

 

[Pete]

On 8/13/2025 at 10:33 PM, BuffaloRebound said:

I think Shenault finds a way onto the 53 man roster.  Kick returns are gonna be a much bigger part of the game with the new 35 yard line touchback rule.  He’s clearly our best kick returner and worth an extra 4-5 yards every return over our next best option.  Cam Lewis can be the 6th CB and backup safety.  

Shenault has been Gunner.  His size and athletic ability should be dynamic returns, with the rule changes.  Hes been playing WR.  Gunner-Returns-WR  is much more useful than Codrington, where every roster spot must be used wisely

[GunnerBill]

19 minutes ago, Pete said:

Shenault has been Gunner.  His size and athletic ability should be dynamic returns, with the rule changes.  Hes been playing WR.  Gunner-Returns-WR  is much more useful than Codrington, where every roster spot must be used wisely

 

I am not closed to this. I am just not persuaded yet.

[BillsFanForever19]

14 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

I am not closed to this. I am just not persuaded yet.

 

Same here. I agree with the sentiment from posters. But thus far, whether it's the Depth Chart, Practices, or Pre-Season Week 1 - Codrington is above Shenault and starts in Returns before Shenault.

 

Until I see some semblance of that changing and Shenault take the lead in some way or be put out first, I'll believe it when I see it.

 

Right now, if Shenault is making it, I think it's more likely that they keep them both than it is that he makes it over Codrington. And I don't feel great about that possibility either.

 

 

Edited August 15 by BillsFanForever19

[Pete]

2 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

I am not closed to this. I am just not persuaded yet.

There are two more preseason games to figure out roster build..  WR, KR, DL are particularily tough cuts.  It seems like Shavers is making team.  If so, 5 or 6 WR? Bills roster is so loaded, im not sure its a good idea devoting 1 roster spot for KR solely.  IMO Beane makes a trade or two.  If Bills like Lundt, Van Denmark could get a nice return(Bears are desperate for LT).  Most everyone is guessing an AJ trade.  Two Weeks we will have a much clearer idea.  Then its Baltimore!  

[BillsFanForever19]

30 minutes ago, Pete said:

There are two more preseason games to figure out roster build..  WR, KR, DL are particularily tough cuts.  It seems like Shavers is making team.  If so, 5 or 6 WR? Bills roster is so loaded, im not sure its a good idea devoting 1 roster spot for KR solely.  IMO Beane makes a trade or two.  If Bills like Lundt, Van Denmark could get a nice return(Bears are desperate for LT).  Most everyone is guessing an AJ trade.  Two Weeks we will have a much clearer idea.  Then its Baltimore!  

 

An AJ Trade is absolutely not happening until Hoecht is ready to return. 

 

We always keep at least 5 DE's. Until Hoecht returns, we only have 5 rosterable DE's in Groot, Bosa, AJE, Jackson, and Solomon. Unless for some reason you're a believer in UDFA Rookie Paris Shand or fresh off the street Nelson Caesar.

 

In Bosa, we have a very good player who's shown it's a big ask for him to stay healthy. In Solomon, we have a late round 2nd year player who's a big question mark. In Jackson, we have a Rookie who's going to need some time to get his sea legs under him and didn't look ready for Primetime in Week 1 of the Pre-Season.

 

AJE right now is unquestionably our 3rd DE. And given that we probably want to limit Bosa's reps, may even be 2nd in snaps. A single injury before Hoecht is ready and we're down to 4. Which with how we rotate, would have us relying on a couple of those guys more than we should.

 

And that's *with* AJE. Without him you're down to 3 guys with a single injury. Which is a situation we can't put ourselves in. Especially given the things I said above.

 

Trading AJE now is frankly a terrible idea. It shouldn't even be a thought until after Week 6 and only if every member of the DE room has stayed healthy, which is far from a given. You don't make room for Hoecht (or Ogunjobi either) until you have them.

Edited August 15 by BillsFanForever19

[GunnerBill]

18 minutes ago, Pete said:

There are two more preseason games to figure out roster build..  WR, KR, DL are particularily tough cuts.  It seems like Shavers is making team.  If so, 5 or 6 WR? Bills roster is so loaded, im not sure its a good idea devoting 1 roster spot for KR solely.  IMO Beane makes a trade or two.  If Bills like Lundt, Van Denmark could get a nice return(Bears are desperate for LT).  Most everyone is guessing an AJ trade.  Two Weeks we will have a much clearer idea.  Then its Baltimore!  

 

I am not sold yet on Shavers making it. I will say this... the chances Shavers and Shenault both make it is less than 5% IMO.

[greenwithenvy]

As someone who wants Shavers on the 53, stuff like this is interesting. He's probably going to need to be useful on teams.

Edited August 16 by greenwithenvy

[Ayjent]

4 minutes ago, greenwithenvy said:

As someone who wants Shavers on the 53, stuff like this is interesting. He's probably going to need to be useful on teams.

I’d rather have Shavers than Samuel.  I think Samuel is a dud as much as I wanted him to be good. He doesn’t bring a whole lot to the table versatility wise and with Moore and Palmer he is kinda expendable. 

Edited August 16 by Ayjent

[BillsFanForever19]

36 minutes ago, Ayjent said:

I’d rather have Shavers than Samuel.  I think Samuel is a dud as much as I wanted him to be good. He doesn’t bring a whole lot to the table versatility wise and with Moore and Palmer he is kinda expendable. 

 

I've been in the camp of keeping Samuel. I think he's too talented when healthy and we don't have a whole lot of that in the WR room as is. That said, I have noticed a couple things over the past couple days.

 

First was Brandon Beane talking about the WR room on the Pat McAfee show and mentioning everyone but him.

 

Then today, McDermott specifically talked about him needing to have a sense of urgency in these next couple weeks bc they need to see where he fits into the WR room.

 

I'd still hold on to him if it were me. I think last year was a situation where he was new to the team and dealing with injuries. Down the stretch, he started to show up and I'd like to see that continue. 

 

That said, it seems like he is in danger. And at the moment, I feel like unless he gets 100% fast and really shows up in Practice and the Pre-Season - I'm leaning towards him being traded and then keeping Shakir, Palmer, Coleman, Moore, and Shavers (potentially Shenault as the 6th "WR" for Returns).

[EmotionallyUnstable]

1 hour ago, BillsFanForever19 said:

 

I've been in the camp of keeping Samuel. I think he's too talented when healthy and we don't have a whole lot of that in the WR room as is. That said, I have noticed a couple things over the past couple days.

 

First was Brandon Beane talking about the WR room on the Pat McAfee show and mentioning everyone but him.

 

Then today, McDermott specifically talked about him needing to have a sense of urgency in these next couple weeks bc they need to see where he fits into the WR room.

 

I'd still hold on to him if it were me. I think last year was a situation where he was new to the team and dealing with injuries. Down the stretch, he started to show up and I'd like to see that continue. 

 

That said, it seems like he is in danger. And at the moment, I feel like unless he gets 100% fast and really shows up in Practice and the Pre-Season - I'm leaning towards him being traded and then keeping Shakir, Palmer, Coleman, Moore, and Shavers (potentially Shenault as the 6th "WR" for Returns).

He could also be IRed designated to return, depending on if he keeps progressing. Burn the first 4 games of the year and see how things shake out. At that point they can just not activate him or bring him back if need be. This is where I am at unless he gets some reps in live game action 

[BillsFanForever19]

19 minutes ago, EmotionallyUnstable said:

He could also be IRed designated to return, depending on if he keeps progressing. Burn the first 4 games of the year and see how things shake out. At that point they can just not activate him or bring him back if need be. This is where I am at unless he gets some reps in live game action 

 

He returned to Practice today and will undoubtedly be working to stick. He isn't on PUP right now either. He'd need to have another injury for that.

 

You can have work done on a minor ailment that shuts someone down or put someone on a list for something minor and keep them there for a bit. But you can't just PUP or IR a healthy player.

 

 

Edited August 16 by BillsFanForever19

[Ayjent]

7 hours ago, BillsFanForever19 said:

 

I've been in the camp of keeping Samuel. I think he's too talented when healthy and we don't have a whole lot of that in the WR room as is. That said, I have noticed a couple things over the past couple days.

 

First was Brandon Beane talking about the WR room on the Pat McAfee show and mentioning everyone but him.

 

Then today, McDermott specifically talked about him needing to have a sense of urgency in these next couple weeks bc they need to see where he fits into the WR room.

 

I'd still hold on to him if it were me. I think last year was a situation where he was new to the team and dealing with injuries. Down the stretch, he started to show up and I'd like to see that continue. 

 

That said, it seems like he is in danger. And at the moment, I feel like unless he gets 100% fast and really shows up in Practice and the Pre-Season - I'm leaning towards him being traded and then keeping Shakir, Palmer, Coleman, Moore, and Shavers (potentially Shenault as the 6th "WR" for Returns).

I hear all of that.  And agree with you, but I’m just getting the sense that he is rarely going to be 100% and that is why he was available to the Bills in FA last year.  He simply wasn’t available to justify taking up room on a roster, and that hasn’t changed with the Bills.  His 31 catches and 253 yds weren’t worth the investment last year and he is just now available with another injury that tends to be a nagging one throughout a season - so by keeping him you are just limiting the WR room with a guy that is likely to be out or limited for more of the season than the guys you would likely cut. To me I just have a gut feeling that he’s cut or traded although I can’t imagine he has much trade value - but something is better than nothing.  Again, an injury prone slot wr that is coming off a 253 yd season with a pretty hefty contract for what he brings isn’t going to fetch a lot of interest.    But cutting him is a lot of dead cap so he is a big penalty to cut - so I understand why people think he is tough to cut.  Honestly it appears to have been a bad gamble by Beane.  Maybe they can throw him in with a trade for one of the reserve OL.  Trading him solves a lot of cap problems.