Beane is good at drafting after all -- A look at 2022

[BillsShredder83]

8 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

I am not going to pretend to be an expert in Nielson's career, but failing as a coordinator does not a bad position coach make. For proof of that look at our other line coach - Aaron Kromer on the offensive side. Widely respected as one of the best OL coaches in football and has done a brilliant job since returning to Buffalo, but his one stint as an OC in Chicago was a failure. Position coaching and coordinating are different skillsets.

Agreed! Seems like an almost sneaky way to get a good coach in house. Coordinators/HCs is more about managing people, delegating roles, failing at that doesn't mean they're bad at their skill set.

 

Rex Ryan. Mike mcdaniel (after this season). Vic fangio. Million others im sure

[YattaOkasan]

Just now, BillsShredder83 said:

Agreed! Seems like an almost sneaky way to get a good coach in house. Coordinators/HCs is more about managing people, delegating roles, failing at that doesn't mean they're bad at their skill set.

 

Rex Ryan. Mike mcdaniel (after this season). Vic fangio. Million others im sure

Spags with KC has been their cheat code imo.  

[RoscoeParrish]

8 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

I am not going to pretend to be an expert in Nielson's career, but failing as a coordinator does not a bad position coach make. For proof of that look at our other line coach - Aaron Kromer on the offensive side. Widely respected as one of the best OL coaches in football and has done a brilliant job since returning to Buffalo, but his one stint as an OC in Chicago was a failure. Position coaching and coordinating are different skillsets.

I think its largely the opposite.

 

Mostly good position coaches ever get promoted to coordinator. And a lot of times, good coordinators get HC looks. 
 

Getting a chance or two at a different promotion is probably a strong indicator you are pretty good in your previous role.

[Mikie2times]

10 hours ago, Victory Formation said:

Now what all of you said may be true, all Beane has to do is win us ONE Super Bowl and he’s better than Polian.

Based on what? 

[ganesh]

On 7/21/2025 at 7:11 AM, TheWeatherMan said:

Beane is good at drafting except in the 1st round.  His trade ups have been awful (sin Josh Allen) 

They needed to trade up last year and get Brian Thomas Jr.  It would have been an awesome draft.

On 7/21/2025 at 11:04 PM, JerseyBills said:

This roster is loaded , especially with depth , training camp should be intense and we get the hard knocks which is fun

shhhhhh

[DrDawkinstein]

33 minutes ago, Mikie2times said:

Based on what? 

 

Based on it being much much harder to win in the modern NFL with 7 round drafts, free agency, and the salary cap.

 

edit: Oh, and there were only like 28 teams in the league so less watering-down the talent pool.

Edited July 24 by DrDawkinstein

[Mikie2times]

15 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

Based on it being much much harder to win in the modern NFL with 7 round drafts, free agency, and the salary cap.

 

edit: Oh, and there were only like 28 teams in the league so less watering-down the talent pool.

You have teams that are good now and you have teams that were good then. We have dynasties now and we have dynasties then. If you get a QB now you win and if you get a QB then you win. It's all relative.  This fairly trash argument to be honest.

 

Compare drafting for the first 7 rounds if you want. He's drafted over half a dozen hall of fame players. We are trying to get Beane to a couple All Pro's. This is one of the worst takes I've read on this forum to be honest and we have some fairly bad takes at times on here. We haven't even been to a Super Bowl for gods sake.  

[Doc Brown]

1 hour ago, YattaOkasan said:

Spags with KC has been their cheat code imo.  

I don't know what a cheat code is but definitely a top 5 defensive coordinator.   He's been great as the defense has carried them the last couple of years.  The only good offensive coordinator that pry has no future as a head coach is Josh McDaniels which stinks for us.

 

Bills never seem to have a problem scoring on Spags's defense though.  Gives up four TD's and a field goal but is crowned master defensive mind because of one call on a 4th down that tricked Allen.  Allen still puts it in an area for a teammate to drop it albeit a tough catch.

[YattaOkasan]

17 minutes ago, Doc Brown said:

I don't know what a cheat code is but definitely a top 5 defensive coordinator.   He's been great as the defense has carried them the last couple of years.  The only good offensive coordinator that pry has no future as a head coach is Josh McDaniels which stinks for us.

 

Bills never seem to have a problem scoring on Spags's defense though.  Gives up four TD's and a field goal but is crowned master defensive mind because of one call on a 4th down that tricked Allen.  Allen still puts it in an area for a teammate to drop it albeit a tough catch.

Just a term from video games.  A code you enter to make things easier (Contra has a famous one that gave 30 extra lives).  

 

As to scoring on Spag's defense thats just the beauty of Josh Allen to me.  Sometimes it took him a minute to figure out a DC but he has balled out against a lot of them (Bellicheck, Spags, Salah, Flores off the top of my head).  Occasionally they would do well later and he would struggle for a game but always got them back.  

[Doc Brown]

1 hour ago, YattaOkasan said:

Just a term from video games.  A code you enter to make things easier (Contra has a famous one that gave 30 extra lives).  

 

As to scoring on Spag's defense thats just the beauty of Josh Allen to me.  Sometimes it took him a minute to figure out a DC but he has balled out against a lot of them (Bellicheck, Spags, Salah, Flores off the top of my head).  Occasionally they would do well later and he would struggle for a game but always got them back.  

Got ya.  I guess pong didn't have any cheat codes.  I get the criticism of Brady in the AFC Championship game in short yardage and even the Divisional game before that on that controversial call (which I didn't agree with) to take a deep shot to Shakir which went completely against the entire game plan.  However, the defense shrinking in the playoffs is by far the bigger problem.

[Doc Brown]

13 hours ago, Mikie2times said:

He went to 5 Super Bowls, won one, acquired over half a dozen hall of famers across three teams, including two hall of fame QB’s,  took three separate teams to conference championships including a start up franchise. We compare different era all the time. Its not close, not remotely close.
 

At this time Beane has selected one likely hall fame player. The impact of his roster as far as the weight Allen brings to is significant and you credit him for the move, but his full resume just isn’t near Polian. Not in any measurable way from talent acquisition to results. Maybe one day, but today isn’t that day. 

I'll just add to this.  He drafted two hall of famers in the 2nd (Thomas) and 3rd (Reed) round, traded for Bennett, signed Kelly/Bruce which wasn't easy because Ralph was cheap, picked up Hull and Tasker basically off the street, stole Ballard in the 11th round, and signed James Lofton.  It wouldn't even be a debate imo if Norwood just makes the darn field goal to who's the better GM. 

[Mikie2times]

10 minutes ago, Doc Brown said:

I'll just add to this.  He drafted two hall of famers in the 2nd (Thomas) and 3rd (Reed) round, traded for Bennett, signed Kelly/Bruce which wasn't easy because Ralph was cheap, picked up Hull and Tasker basically off the street, stole Ballard in the 11th round, and signed James Lofton.  It wouldn't even be a debate imo if Norwood just makes the darn field goal to who's the better GM. 

Just for measure, he also drafted Peyton Manning, Marvin Harrison, Edgerrin James, Dwight Freeney. If you just compared his time with the Colts he has outperformed Beane and that wasn't during the 50 round draft era and it had Free Agency. He's one of the all time best NFL GM's. Not being at his level is far from an insult. 

[Doc Brown]

2 minutes ago, Mikie2times said:

Just for measure, he also drafted Peyton Manning, Marvin Harrison, Edgerrin James, Dwight Freeney. If you just compared his time with the Colts he has outperformed Beane and that wasn't during the 50 round draft era and it had Free Agency. He's one of the all time best NFL GM's. Not being at his level is far from an insult. 

He was still competing against 29 other GM's even during the pre salary cap days so I don't even get that argument.  He was successful everywhere he went and won executive of the year six times with at least one at each of the three franchises he was handed the keys to.  He's more in the Ozzie Newsome tier of all time great GM's.

[T master]

On 7/20/2025 at 3:54 PM, GunnerBill said:

 

The 2022 draft was, despite a huge whiff on Elam, Beane's best class since 2018. It was critical too. 2023 only has two starters at this point though. 

You can't hit on them all !! But I'd say he's done pretty dam good since he's been here .