McDermott not in Top 10 of NFL coaches per PFF.

[Goin Breakdown]

There's being a top 10 coach and then there's having Josh Allen as your QB. 

[Mikie2times]

 

 

1 minute ago, Buffalo716 said:

Semantics 

 

Nobody ever said through 17 years we didn't have a roster that wasn't good enough to be the last seed in the playoff 

 

The difference is Sean McDermott got it done.. difference is Sean McDermott took a kid who half the NFL Network said shouldn't be drafted in the top three rounds 

 

Said we were dumb for taking him 

 

And Sean McDermott and his steady hand helped turn around a franchise 

 

The franchise was in shambles before he got here.. the front office the kitchen at one Bills drive.. Sean McDermott brought respect to every single person at one Bills drive whether you're a coach or making food ... Josh Allen shout it out the mailman at his MVP address! Sean McDermott and his attitude has changed the culture

 

And his calming influenced helped develop Josh Allen.. and countless other players on our roster 

 

No the slander on Sean McDermott is disgusting

 

 

 

Its not really "Disgusting". This has been debated to nauseous levels. A path exists to him being even more Marty than Marty. Marty never had Josh Allen. You can choose to acknowledge that or not.  The reasons why have been debated a million times. Not getting into it again at this point. 

[Buffalo716]

8 minutes ago, Goin Breakdown said:

There's being a top 10 coach and then there's having Josh Allen as your QB. 

Josh Allen was nobody high School recruit..... Half of the professional scouts did not think he had what it took... Sean McDermott helped Josh Allen become a superstar 

 

Why there's coaches... If you didn't need them players would just play and coach themselves 

 

Sean helped develop Josh Allen

5 minutes ago, Mikie2times said:

 

 

Its not really "Disgusting". This has been debated to nauseous levels. A path exists to him being even more Marty than Marty. Marty never had Josh Allen. You can choose to acknowledge that or not.  The reasons why have been debated a million times. Not getting into it again at this point. 

So when we win the super bowl  you should hold your head in shame and never come back here because you and people like you trash him 

 

When he is the best thing that's happened in Buffalo in a long time because he came before Josh Allen and helped develop Josh Allen 

 

Like if you're giving me an ultimatum Josh or Sean I'm taking Josh.. I'm not dumb enough to think Sean did not help Josh Allen

 

There is no coach who would be on the open market that would be an upgrade to Sean McDermott

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[Goin Breakdown]

1 minute ago, Buffalo716 said:

Josh Allen was nobody... Sean McDermott helped Josh Allen become a superstar 

 

Why there's coaches... If you didn't need them players would just play and coach themselves 

 

Sean helped develop Josh Allen

To quote Diggs. "Ya sure?"

[uticaclub]

If the Jets draft Allen, McDermott is a defensive coordinator 

[Breakout Squad]

I can’t believe Stefanski is up there. Payton at #2 seems too high. McD deserves to be at least #10 

[Ed_Formerly_of_Roch]

31 minutes ago, henry jones said:

While it's not completely his fault, he is a "defensive coach" and his defenses in the playoffs have given up the most PPG in NFL history.

 

True but he's still won more games lately both in playoff and regular season than many of the names listed above him.

[Mikie2times]

1 minute ago, Buffalo716 said:

Josh Allen was nobody... Sean McDermott helped Josh Allen become a superstar 

 

Why there's coaches... If you didn't need them players would just play and coach themselves 

 

Sean helped develop Josh Allen

You're crazy if you think Josh Allen still doesn't become a star without McDermott, but flip that around. I don't think McDermott is able to be so process like without Josh. The entire dynamic changes. Silly argument to take here, you're better off crediting him for picking Josh than developing him. By most accounts he's virtually hands off the offense and has zero experience with QB play. 

[Buffalo716]

Just now, Goin Breakdown said:

To quote Diggs. "Ya sure?"

Josh Allen was not a surefire Superstar 

 

He was one of the most polarizing draft prospects ever.. tons of professional scouts thought he was not good enough for the NFL 

 

No Sean McDermott coaching and coming influence with Josh Allen's work ethic made a great team 

 

It always takes two to tango

[QCity]

3 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

Josh Allen was nobody

 

yeah, a top-10 pick was a nobody. 

 

 

[Buffalo716]

22 minutes ago, Mikie2times said:

You're crazy if you think Josh Allen still doesn't become a star without McDermott, but flip that around. I don't think McDermott is able to be so process like without Josh. The entire dynamic changes. Silly argument to take here, you're better off crediting him for picking Josh than developing him. By most accounts he's virtually hands off the offense and has zero experience with QB play. 

No I don't think if Josh Allen gets drafted to the Chicago bears that he's the same Josh Allen 

 

It always takes two to tango in the NFL 

 

Tom Brady is not Tom Brady if he doesn't go to Bill belichick at 22 years old 

 

You're crazy if you think we draft Tom Brady and he becomes the greatest ever lol

 

No Bill belichick gets credit for helping

22 minutes ago, QCity said:

 

yeah, a top-10 pick was a nobody. 

 

 

Misconstruing what I'm saying that he was not a bona fide stud 

 

He was not a Peyton Manning level prospect.. he was not an Andrew luck level prospect .. he was a zero star recruit who had immense physical tools who even half of pro scouts didn't think it would ever pan out..people on TV were calling him trash

 

There were plenty of professional scouts who did not think he would be able to fix his flaws.. he was a mystery  everybody said he needed to develop

 

Everybody said he had insane potential but he had a lot to learn.. guess what Sean McDermott helped him grow and learn

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[Ed_Formerly_of_Roch]

1 minute ago, Goin Breakdown said:

To quote Diggs. "Ya sure?"

 

After last season, yeah I'm sure

 

 

1 minute ago, uticaclub said:

If the Jets draft Allen, McDermott is a defensive coordinator 

 

And if the Bills had traded up and drafted Big Ben Tomlin probably wouldn't be on the list either.

 

This list is all about SB wins, but many won quite a number of years ago.

[Goin Breakdown]

Just now, Buffalo716 said:

Josh Allen was not a surefire Superstar 

 

He was one of the most polarizing draft prospects ever.. tons of professional scouts thought he was not good enough for the NFL 

 

No Sean McDermott coaching and coming influence with Josh Allen's work ethic made a great team 

 

It always takes two to tango

I don't think it was McD that coached him up. It was the staff surrounding him at the time, his own drive to be great, working with Palmer and so on. McD has a job because of Josh plain and simple. 13 seconds with another team and QB and McD is gone. 

[Mikie2times]

 

 

Just now, Buffalo716 said:

No I don't think if Josh Allen gets drafted to the Chicago bears that he's the same Josh Allen 

 

It always takes two to tango in the NFL 

 

Tom Brady is not Tom Brady if he doesn't go to Bill belichick at 22 years old 

 

You're crazy if you think we draft Tom Brady and he becomes the greatest ever lol

 

No Bill belichick gets credit for helping

The split of who contributed more in that arrangement is overwhelming toward Brady, and yes, Josh would have been just fine in Chicago. Guarantee it. As would have Tom somewhere else. They both didn't need somebody else to tell them to put in the work. This isn't a guy playing in a Bill Walsh mastermind system. Both are primarily defensive coaches who stressed not screwing up. With Josh, so much to the extent that it nearly screwed HIM up.  

[Buffalo716]

1 minute ago, Goin Breakdown said:

I don't think it was McD that coached him up. It was the staff surrounding him at the time, his own drive to be great, working with Palmer and so on. McD has a job because of Josh plain and simple. 13 seconds with another team and QB and McD is gone. 

That's like saying Bill belichick gets no credit for developing Tom Brady because he's a defensive guy 

 

He absolutely gets partial credit for helping develop Tom Brady and I 100% do not think Tom Brady would be Tom Brady if he got drafted anywhere else besides with belichick 

 

Tom Brady left as a 40-year-old man a fully developed professional and won.. I don't think Tom Brady getting any other coach at 22 years old turns him into what he is

[QCity]

3 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

guess what Sean McDermott helped him grow and learn

 

The best thing McD did for Allen was to hire DaBoll. That's where you can start and stop the accolades.

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This list is absurd.

[Buffalo716]

1 minute ago, Mikie2times said:

 

 

The split of who contributed more in that arrangement is overwhelming toward Brady, and yes, Josh would have been just fine in Chicago. Guarantee it. As would have Tom somewhere else. They both didn't need somebody else to tell them to put in the work. This isn't a guy playing in a Bill Walsh mastermind system. Both are primarily defensive coaches who stressed not screwing up. With Josh, so much to the extent that it nearly screwed HIM up.  

I never said Josh Allen would not have been pretty good.. I said Josh Allen  would not be the Josh Allen we know 

 

There's been plenty of physically gifted quarterbacks who don't pan out.. in fact Jay Cutler was a 6'3 230 lb monster with a cannon who was trucking linebackers in the SEC 

 

I think Josh is more likely that in Chicago.. good not transcendent 

 

A transcendent player always needs somebody to tango with.. there's never been a surefire Hall of Fame greatest ever quarterback who didn't have a tremendous coach lol they kind of go hand in hand

[Mikie2times]

1 minute ago, QCity said:

 

The best thing McD did for Allen was to hire DaBoll. That's where you can start and stop the accolades.

Which you can certainly credit McD for. But the narrative that McD groomed Allen just never held up for me. In the early years they barely had a relationship. It was all Dabs. Allen worked a ton with Palmer. He was driven to be great. McD focused on his defense. 

[Buffalo716]

1 minute ago, Mikie2times said:

Which you can certainly credit McD for. But the narrative that McD groomed Allen just never held up for me. In the early years they barely had a relationship. It was all Dabs. Allen worked a ton with Palmer. He was driven to be great. McD focused on his defense. 

Bill belichick gets credit for developing tom Brady