ISRAEL V IRAN: Trump just warned everyone should evacuate Tehran

[muppy]

7 minutes ago, SectionC3 said:

What would Judge Judy say about this?  Don't pee on my leg and tell me it's raining?  After this episode, and after watching North Korea not get bombed, if you think this Iranian regime won't do anything to get a nuke then I have a bridge to sell you. 

I would love an answer to what will make we trust them. and what repurcussions if the regime doesn't really end. Still will hurt the Iranian people  maybe

 

 

 

I dunno

6 minutes ago, Mikie2times said:

 

Ya, I have read a few of his takes, premium quality.  Hope all is well!  

pretty much 🙂 bring me some good non alcoholic beer next time I see you. I'm gripping about pool parties with no drinking 😞

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[Joe Ferguson forever]

25 minutes ago, Jauronimo said:

Trump's self aggrandizing travels too. Latinos and Black voters love the machismo, the under educated love the complete lack of decorum and decency.  Trump is flame to the moth for everyone who has been cast aside as dumb, trashy, hairbrained, and generally undesirable.  He brought them all in under the tent.  He platformed their basest opinions and assured them they weren't alone.

the worst part is that this varied group now constitutes the majority of Americans.  We are in the land of misfit toys.

[Mikie2times]

2 minutes ago, Joe Ferguson forever said:

the worst part is that this varied group now constitutes the majority of Americans.  We are in the land of misfit toys.

 

6 minutes ago, muppy said:

I would love an answer to what will make we trust them. and what repurcussions if the regime doesn't really end. Still will hurt the Iranian people  maybe

 

 

 

I dunno

pretty much 🙂 bring me some good non alcoholic beer next time I see you. I'm gripping about pool parties with no drinking 😞

That would be so hard! They go hand in hand. The non alcoholic stuff isn't horrible, just doesn't feel the same obviously. 

[BillsFanNC]

2 minutes ago, muppy said:

so not even any conjectured ideas? Come on now. This is a serious question . if anyone else can answer that'd be peachy

 

11 minutes ago, muppy said:

and if they don't comply then BOOM?

 

*sigh*

 

I admit to being novice in these areas. I'm honest enough to admit it

 

Let's approach this from a different angle.

 

What would you suggest we do about a regime with an explicitly stated goal of death to Israel/America from the moment they came to power?

 

This is 2025 Muppy, anyone and everyone is a novice expert on any topic under the sun!

[muppy]

5 minutes ago, BillsFanNC said:

 

 

Let's approach this from a different angle.

 

What would you suggest we do about a regime with an explicitly stated goal of death to Israel/America from the moment they came to power?

 

This is 2025 Muppy, anyone and everyone is a novice expert on any topic under the sun!

well, based on my posting history. has there been a single word said by me that I want this regine to continue. NOPE geez

 

we are on the same side here. YYou just don't understand the what ifs  of my question. so be it.

 

where  is the shake my head emoji. 

or refuse to answer it. either way Deuces

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[BillsFanNC]

3 minutes ago, muppy said:

well, based on my posting history. has there been a single word said by me that I want this regine to continue. NOPE geez

 

we are on the same side here. YYou just don't understand the what ifs  of my question. so be it.

 

I understand the what ifs. 

 

At the moment those what ifs are of far less concern than the what if the death to America regime on the brink of nuclear weapons isn't eliminated or brought to unconditional surrender.

 

Here's another what if:

 

What if among the ten million unvetted illegals that were allowed to stream across our border the past four years there's a few hundred Iranian terrorists living among us right now?

 

 

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[muppy]

Just now, BillsFanNC said:

 

I understand the what ifs. 

 

At the moment those what ifs are of far less concern than the what if the death to America regime on the brink of nuclear weapons isn't eliminated or brought to unconditional surrender.

 

 

CLEARLY what I bolded is correct

 

I just thought this was a think tank kinda place.  The red you then are refusing to answer? really. lol 

 

thanks

 

 

SMH

[BillsFanNC]

Just now, muppy said:

CLEARLY what I bolded is correct

 

I just thought this was a think tank kinda place.  The red you then are refusing to answer? really. lol 

 

thanks

 

I'm refusing to speculate. Let me sit in on the POTUS briefings and pour over the intelligence and our full capabilities and I'll get back to you.

 

 

[All_Pro_Bills]

27 minutes ago, Joe Ferguson forever said:

the worst part is that this varied group now constitutes the majority of Americans.  We are in the land of misfit toys.

The thing is, that's the contemptuous attitude that drives these groups together. Snooty full of themselves know it all's that look down with contempt on anyone that doesn't share their enlightened world view.

[Mikie2times]

18 minutes ago, BillsFanNC said:

 

I understand the what ifs. 

 

At the moment those what ifs are of far less concern than the what if the death to America regime on the brink of nuclear weapons isn't eliminated or brought to unconditional surrender.

 

Here's another what if:

 

What if among the ten million unvetted illegals that were allowed to stream across our border the past four years there's a few hundred Iranian terrorists living among us right now?

 

 

They could even be in North Carolina

 

[Taro T]

29 minutes ago, muppy said:

I would love an answer to what will make we trust them. and what repurcussions if the regime doesn't really end. Still will hurt the Iranian people  maybe

 

 

 

I dunno

pretty much 🙂 bring me some good non alcoholic beer next time I see you. I'm gripping about pool parties with no drinking 😞

 

The ONLY way we trust the mullahs to be honest about their nuke program (presuming they are still in power when the dust settles) is by full, complete, unfettered inspection of their facilities.  Like Reagan said "trust but verify."  And that can work.  It worked in the late 80's, both sides got to inspect the other's facilities to prove they were honoring the treaties.

 

What repercussions happen if they don't allow that &/or they get caught cheating: if the "good guys" are serious about not letting Iran have a bomb; in short order we're back to where we are today.  If they're not serious about it and the mullahs are still there, we go back to where we were before: with the mullahs lying about following the jcpoa rules and supporting as much terrorist activity as they can buy.

 

As @sherpa stated, the BEST way to ensure the mullahs don't end up with control of nukes is by removing them from power.  It looked like the Iranian people were on the verge of overthrowing the mullahs 10 or so years ago.  Our government then signed the jcpoa and literally gave their government "pallets of cash."  So much for that rebellion.  Not expecting 47 nor Netanyahu to be nearly as accomodating as the US had been in the past.  So, hopefully what Israel is doing now is enough to give the Iranian people the ability to overthrow the mullahs.  THAT would be best case and would be a true game changer for global politics.

[muppy]

4 minutes ago, Taro T said:

 

The ONLY way we trust the mullahs to be honest about their nuke program (presuming they are still in power when the dust settles) is by full, complete, unfettered inspection of their facilities.  Like Reagan said "trust but verify."  And that can work.  It worked in the late 80's, both sides got to inspect the other's facilities to prove they were honoring the treaties.

 

What repercussions happen if they don't allow that &/or they get caught cheating: if the "good guys" are serious about not letting Iran have a bomb; in short order we're back to where we are today.  If they're not serious about it and the mullahs are still there, we go back to where we were before: with the mullahs lying about following the jcpoa rules and supporting as much terrorist activity as they can buy.

 

As @sherpa stated, the BEST way to ensure the mullahs don't end up with control of nukes is by removing them from power.  It looked like the Iranian people were on the verge of overthrowing the mullahs 10 or so years ago.  Our government then signed the jcpoa and literally gave their government "pallets of cash."  So much for that rebellion.  Not expecting 47 nor Netanyahu to be nearly as accomodating as the US had been in the past.  So, hopefully what Israel is doing now is enough to give the Iranian people the ability to overthrow the mullahs.  THAT would be best case and would be a true game changer for global politics.

THANK YOU for your time in reply. great man really.

[B-Man]

 

 

 

 

 

[Joe Ferguson forever]

12 minutes ago, All_Pro_Bills said:

The thing is, that's the contemptuous attitude that drives these groups together. Snooty full of themselves know it all's that look down with contempt on anyone that doesn't share their enlightened world view.

nah.   they share dissatisfaction and restlessness. They don't need reminding. ideology is just a word most don't understand.

[BillsFanNC]

The what if scenario that terrorists might be among the millions of "migrants" allowed to pour over the border is truly outlandish. Eye roll worthy.

 

 

[Homelander]

[Joe Ferguson forever]

Small favors:  this moron isn't in the decision making loop.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/politics/government/trump-insider-reveals-nobody-is-talking-to-hegseth-as-iran-crisis-spirals/ar-AA1H1V7L

 

or this one:

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/trump-administration/tulsi-gabbard-sidelined-trump-administration-discussions-israel-iran-rcna212702

 

Just bad jokes to appeal to the base.

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[Jauronimo]

1 minute ago, Joe Ferguson forever said:

the worst part is that this varied group now constitutes the majority of Americans.  We are in the land of misfit toys.

I think the worst part is that our reality is shaped based on where we fall in the political spectrum.  30 years ago there were like 5 outlets for news and they were all basically the same.  We could largely agree on some basic "facts" or "truths" even when they were wrong.  Now we have algorithm dictated infotainment delivering a 24/7 feed of confirmation bias.  Whatever you engage with the longest is the truth.  Whether its deep fakes, rage bait, conspiracy theories, outright fabrications, mainstream fluff, it doesn't matter.  Whatever keeps your eyeballs on the screen the longest determines what "news" you get and therefor your reality.  If the news tells you the earth is round and that doesn't tickle your fancy, keep scrolling and you'll have no problem finding a community of flat earthers that will take you in.  You are never alone no matter how far off the reservation you have wandered.  Every viewpoint is now equal.  All "facts" are equal.  Very few people question their feed when its reinforcing their world view.

 

Its increasingly difficult to find common ground and I don't see that getting better. Our political discourse is increasingly shaped by the raging debate between the lunatic fringes on either side.  And now they have their own social media platforms.  Which echo chamber do you prefer:  every piece of art made in the past 1,000 years is a misogynistic, racist, transphobic microgression giving bad vibes OR 10 million Guatemalans have attacked the Lincoln Memorial and are eating dogs?

 

Here's my conspiracy theory: Social media is the greatest psy op in recorded history.  Soviet level cynicism incoming.  

[B-Man]

 

 

Crushing Iran Because It’s Terrorism’s ATM Is Also a Good Idea.

By Stephen Kruiser

 

FTA:

Trump was calling for the unconditional surrender of a regime that has been at war with the United States ever since its inception. Those who are wringing their hands over the demise of Iran’s Islamic regime are paying insufficient attention to how it has terrorized its own citizens for 46 years, to the degree that Iranians in increasing numbers these days are openly cheering on the Israelis.

 

Robert goes into great detail about what Iran has been up to during its ayatollah years. Spoiler alert: The Mullahs have been pretty hostile towards the United States. It's not all shadowy background stuff, either. 

 

One of the favorite talking points of people who are still complaining about the Iraq War is that most of the 9/11 attackers were Saudi nationals. That's true, but they weren't getting backing from the Saudi government. One Middle Eastern government was involved, however, and you can probably guess where I'm going with this. Robert goes on to note that in 2011, a district court judge "determined that Iran, Hezbollah, the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps, the Iranian Ministry of Intelligence and Security, and other Iranian government departments, as well as the Ayatollah Khamenei himself and former Iranian president Ali Akbar Hashemi Rafsanjani were all directly implicated in Iranian efforts to aid al-Qaeda in its 9/11 plot."

 

https://pjmedia.com/stephen-kruiser/2025/06/18/crushing-iran-because-its-terrorisms-atm-is-also-a-good-idea-n4940928

 

 

[BillsFanNC]

1 hour ago, muppy said:

CLEARLY what I bolded is correct

 

I just thought this was a think tank kinda place.  The red you then are refusing to answer? really. lol 

 

thanks

 

 

SMH

 

I missed this the first time....

 

Think tank?

 

You're in the cesspool.