Max Hairston injury

[HOUSE]

This guy is a slacker, just like his father 

 

 

[Pecker]

What, exactly, was Hairston injury anyways? 

[Allen2Moulds]

56 minutes ago, ***** said:

What, exactly, was Hairston injury anyways? 

LCL sprain

[HamptonBillsfan]

I met with some pushback when I criticized the 1st rd selection of Hairston from the standpoint of him being slight and not being a willing tackler. Now he looks like a question mark to recover in time to play this season in a meaningful way. Judging by our defensive drafts in recent years, Beane and the scouting department have to be questioned. Isn’t part of drafting knowing whether players have a history of being injury prone? Toughness and playing through injuries define good players in the NFL.Hairston, Strong, Hancock. Tucker, Turner, have all been unable to get on the field enough to contribute. Other than Rousseau, Bernard and Benford, who has cracked the lineup or made any positive impact in the last 5 years? Compare that to what the Rams, Chiefs, Packers or Texans have accomplished with their defensive drafts? The offensive side of the drafts is a different story but why have a defensive minded coach if his defensive drafts stink? 

[Pecker]

10 minutes ago, HamptonBillsfan said:

I met with some pushback when I criticized the 1st rd selection of Hairston from the standpoint of him being slight and not being a willing tackler. Now he looks like a question mark to recover in time to play this season in a meaningful way. Judging by our defensive drafts in recent years, Beane and the scouting department have to be questioned. Isn’t part of drafting knowing whether players have a history of being injury prone? Toughness and playing through injuries define good players in the NFL.Hairston, Strong, Hancock. Tucker, Turner, have all been unable to get on the field enough to contribute. Other than Rousseau, Bernard and Benford, who has cracked the lineup or made any positive impact in the last 5 years? Compare that to what the Rams, Chiefs, Packers or Texans have accomplished with their defensive drafts? The offensive side of the drafts is a different story but why have a defensive minded coach if his defensive drafts stink? 

We very clearly reach for needs in the early rounds. Eagles just draft bpa and they get a lot of great players that way

[BananaB]

McD ain’t playing a rookie when he just comes off IR like he did Milano last season. Who knows when Max be ready by his standards 

Edited 5 hours ago by BananaB

[mjt328]

4 minutes ago, HamptonBillsfan said:

I met with some pushback when I criticized the 1st rd selection of Hairston from the standpoint of him being slight and not being a willing tackler. Now he looks like a question mark to recover in time to play this season in a meaningful way. Judging by our defensive drafts in recent years, Beane and the scouting department have to be questioned. Isn’t part of drafting knowing whether players have a history of being injury prone? Toughness and playing through injuries define good players in the NFL.Hairston, Strong, Hancock. Tucker, Turner, have all been unable to get on the field enough to contribute. Other than Rousseau, Bernard and Benford, who has cracked the lineup or made any positive impact in the last 5 years? Compare that to what the Rams, Chiefs, Packers or Texans have accomplished with their defensive drafts? The offensive side of the drafts is a different story but why have a defensive minded coach if his defensive drafts stink? 

 

Not trying to discount your overall thoughts about Brandon Beane's drafting (the lack of impact players complaint is valid), but Hairston wasn't injured tackling or on a heavy contact play.  All reports said he just tripped.  It was initially believed he tore an ACL, and would miss the entire season.  Even after the LCL diagnosis, nobody expected him to be back before Week 8 (after the bye) at the very earliest.  Hairston wasn't injury-prone in college either, and a quick Google search says he only missed one game for Kentucky.  

 

So I understand why people are tired of drafting undersized players on defense, and it may contribute to us always having injuries.  But I'm not sure that applies so much to cornerback, when we also lacked speed at the position. 

 

[Augie]

8 minutes ago, HamptonBillsfan said:

I met with some pushback when I criticized the 1st rd selection of Hairston from the standpoint of him being slight and not being a willing tackler. Now he looks like a question mark to recover in time to play this season in a meaningful way. Judging by our defensive drafts in recent years, Beane and the scouting department have to be questioned. Isn’t part of drafting knowing whether players have a history of being injury prone? Toughness and playing through injuries define good players in the NFL.Hairston, Strong, Hancock. Tucker, Turner, have all been unable to get on the field enough to contribute. Other than Rousseau, Bernard and Benford, who has cracked the lineup or made any positive impact in the last 5 years? Compare that to what the Rams, Chiefs, Packers or Texans have accomplished with their defensive drafts? The offensive side of the drafts is a different story but why have a defensive minded coach if his defensive drafts stink? 

 

If you think his injury in camp justifies your criticism at the draft, I’m afraid I’m just not following. He missed one college game in 2022, no games in 2023 and 5 in 2024, but that was a result of an infection that he got from an injection. Not an actual football injury.  Even a Magic 8 Ball was not going to see this one coming. Is he a little slight? Sure. But that’s part of the sacrifice you make when you are trying to add blazing speed to the defensive backfield. 

 

This feels like cherry picking to make a point that you are not a fan of Beane and his drafting. Those other teams have whiffs in the draft and unforeseeable injuries as well. Heck, Worthy has his own thread here, and he just missed some games because he ran into a teammate. crap happens. 

[HamptonBillsfan]

12 minutes ago, ***** said:

We very clearly reach for needs in the early rounds. Eagles just draft bpa and they get a lot of great players that way

Agreed, but it’s becoming painfully obvious that our secondary is a major need and we can’t seem to get it right. 

[HamptonBillsfan]

15 minutes ago, mjt328 said:

 

Not trying to discount your overall thoughts about Brandon Beane's drafting (the lack of impact players complaint is valid), but Hairston wasn't injured tackling or on a heavy contact play.  All reports said he just tripped.  It was initially believed he tore an ACL, and would miss the entire season.  Even after the LCL diagnosis, nobody expected him to be back before Week 8 (after the bye) at the very earliest.  Hairston wasn't injury-prone in college either, and a quick Google search says he only missed one game for Kentucky.  

 

So I understand why people are tired of drafting undersized players on defense, and it may contribute to us always having injuries.  But I'm not sure that applies so much to cornerback, when we also lacked speed at the position. 

 

I don’t know what search you’re referring to but checking his college career clearly shows his 2023 season was his only productive year. 55 tackles, 13 games played. In 2024 he played only 7 games with just a few tackles.  His 2022 season was also inconsequential with little production. Factor in his being investigated for criminal sexual assault and burglary makes you wonder how this franchise, with high standards of character found their way to this guy.

[stlbills13]

Clearly they want the bye week for a lot of these injuries. Not sure I really agree but whatever. We're going to be playing in mid-late January either way so let's just get them healthy and full speed by then. 

[HamptonBillsfan]

30 minutes ago, Augie said:

 

If you think his injury in camp justifies your criticism at the draft, I’m afraid I’m just not following. He missed one college game in 2022, no games in 2023 and 5 in 2024, but that was a result of an infection that he got from an injection. Not an actual football injury.  Even a Magic 8 Ball was not going to see this one coming. Is he a little slight? Sure. But that’s part of the sacrifice you make when you are trying to add blazing speed to the defensive backfield. 

 

This feels like cherry picking to make a point that you are not a fan of Beane and his drafting. Those other teams have whiffs in the draft and unforeseeable injuries as well. Heck, Worthy has his own thread here, and he just missed some games because he ran into a teammate. crap happens. 

What do you like about the defensive drafts over the last 3 years as our defense continues to decline? Those other teams that you dismissed have top statistical defenses and 3 of them have won the last 4 SBs along with the Eagles who drafted defense really well. Can’t anyone criticize obvious shortcomings in the way we do business without fans going into denial mode?

[Don Otreply]

1 hour ago, HamptonBillsfan said:

I don’t know what search you’re referring to but checking his college career clearly shows his 2023 season was his only productive year. 55 tackles, 13 games played. In 2024 he played only 7 games with just a few tackles.  His 2022 season was also inconsequential with little production. Factor in his being investigated for criminal sexual assault and burglary makes you wonder how this franchise, with high standards of character found their way to this guy.

You’re gonna ride this horse into the ground aren’t you…, lol, I can’t wait for the next installment 🍿🍿, should be rife with half truths and innuendo,  we all know that the Bills are one of the least successful teams in the league with literally zero drafting success, and of course a losing record, oh, and don’t forget to add that they haven’t beaten any “good” teams in your next post.  
 

GO BILLS!!!

[KOKBILLS]

2 hours ago, HamptonBillsfan said:

Agreed, but it’s becoming painfully obvious that our secondary is a major need and we can’t seem to get it right. 

 

I'm not sure we can get anything exactly right on that side of the ball...

 

Benford was a great pick as a 6th rounder... But... That's a 6th round pick... If we were really that smart we would have taken him a lot sooner... And if our 1st round pick that year is even an average CB we are light years ahead of where we are now...

 

In the 1st-3rd rounds of the 2022-2024 Drafts our best pick on Defense (so far because we don't really know anything about the rookies yet) is Bernard who is definitely a good player as a leader and where turnovers are concerned, but also has size limitations that show up often at MLB. Outside of Bernard, McBean added Elam who completely busted out, Dorian Williams who is massively inconsistent, Cole Bishop who looks to be improving at least...but let's be honest...he is no where near what the Bills thought he would be at this point. Then there is DeWayne Carter... And that's it...

Since 2022 after the 3rd Round they added Benford...great! Alex Austin who they let get away... Could have really used him as depth these past couple years. Javon Solomon who seems to be just an undersized special teamer. And lastly Edefuan Ulofoshio who they cut. 

So during the 3 KEY off seasons when logic was screaming to McBeane that their top tier guys on D were going to age out, the Bills basically added the three B's, Benford, Bernard, and Bishop in the Draft before 2025, and a couple JAG's... That's it... And that is a REALLY tough way to keep up unless you are knocking it out of the park with UFA deals. And they're not... 

Edited 3 hours ago by KOKBILLS

[wppete]

2 hours ago, BananaB said:

McD ain’t playing a rookie when he just comes off IR like he did Milano last season. Who knows when Max be ready by his standards 

Max Hairston on one Leg and no experience is 10 times better than what we have with Tredavious White. White should not be on the field let alone a starting CB. 

[Billsfanatic8989]

6 minutes ago, KOKBILLS said:

 

I'm not sure we can get anything exactly right on that side of the ball...

 

Benford was a great pick as a 6th rounder... But... That's a 6th round pick... If we were really that smart we would have taken him a lot sooner... And if our 1st round pick that year is even an average CB we are light years ahead of where we are now...

 

In the 1st-3rd rounds of the 2022-2044 Drafts our best pick on Defense (so far because we don't really know anything about the rookies yet) is Bernard who is definitely a good player as a leader and where turnovers are concerned, but also has size limitations that show up often at MLB. Outside of Bernard, McBean added Elam who completely busted out, Dorian Williams who is massively inconsistent, Cole Bishop who looks to be improving at least...but let's be honest...he is no where near what the Bills thought he would be at this point. Then there is DeWayne Carter... And that's it...

Since 2022 after the 3rd Round they added Benford...great! Alex Austin who they let get away... Could have really used him as depth these past couple years. Javon Solomon who seems to be just an undersized special teamer. And lastly Edefuan Ulofoshio who they cut. 

So during the 3 KEY off seasons when logic was screaming to McBeane that their top tier guys on D were going to age out, the Bills basically added the three B's, Benford, Bernard, and Bishop in the Draft before 2025, and a couple JAG's... That's it... And that is a REALLY tough way to keep up unless you are knocking it out of the park with UFA deals. And they're not... 

When you put it that way....yikes!!!

 

 

[Andrew Son]

1 minute ago, wppete said:

Max Hairston on one Leg and no experience is 10 times better than what we have with Tredavious White. White should not be on the field let alone a starting CB. 

Regardless if the situation, you cannot rush back and ruin your first round asset.  
 

if Hairston and Strong are both still going to be out a while then they need to explore a trade for a one year placeholder 

[theAteam]

8 minutes ago, KOKBILLS said:

 

I'm not sure we can get anything exactly right on that side of the ball...

 

Benford was a great pick as a 6th rounder... But... That's a 6th round pick... If we were really that smart we would have taken him a lot sooner... And if our 1st round pick that year is even an average CB we are light years ahead of where we are now...

 

In the 1st-3rd rounds of the 2022-2044 Drafts our best pick on Defense (so far because we don't really know anything about the rookies yet) is Bernard who is definitely a good player as a leader and where turnovers are concerned, but also has size limitations that show up often at MLB. Outside of Bernard, McBean added Elam who completely busted out, Dorian Williams who is massively inconsistent, Cole Bishop who looks to be improving at least...but let's be honest...he is no where near what the Bills thought he would be at this point. Then there is DeWayne Carter... And that's it...

Since 2022 after the 3rd Round they added Benford...great! Alex Austin who they let get away... Could have really used him as depth these past couple years. Javon Solomon who seems to be just an undersized special teamer. And lastly Edefuan Ulofoshio who they cut. 

So during the 3 KEY off seasons when logic was screaming to McBeane that their top tier guys on D were going to age out, the Bills basically added the three B's, Benford, Bernard, and Bishop in the Draft before 2025, and a couple JAG's... That's it... And that is a REALLY tough way to keep up unless you are knocking it out of the park with UFA deals. And they're not... 

 

Yeah I've been thinking about this a lot this year. They had some home run FA pickups like Hyde and Poyer that masked poor drafting but it's all catching up with them now that they're gone and they aren't hitting well on FA pickups since either.

[LABILLBACKER]

Clearly our defensive scouts are not very good.  These players are soft, injury prone and take forever to heal.  As the Mandalorian would say..." this is the way"....

[BananaB]

24 minutes ago, wppete said:

Max Hairston on one Leg and no experience is 10 times better than what we have with Tredavious White. White should not be on the field let alone a starting CB. 

I agree… Tell that to McD and see what he says about knowing the playbook and being able to process it would on Gameday. 
 

Tre is here to stay pretty much the whole season. In my opinion Dorian Strong should have continued starting after Ravens game but McD don’t work that way. 

Edited 3 hours ago by BananaB