Have our draft picks signed their contracts?

[BillsFanForever19]

7 hours ago, ColoradoBills said:

 

I know that, BUT the team doesn't get the cap savings until AFTER June 1st.

Beane might be doing that.  If he was going to restructure someone to get under the cap he could have done that already too.

 

Can you name a player that was on the roster the year before that they cut after 6/1 and before Training Camp? I can't. Meanwhile we've done many restructures around that time and past that point.

 

I also mentioned extensions. They may be working on extensions for guys like Connor McGovern, David Edwards, or maybe even James Cook. Extensions take two parties and isn't something that happens quickly. They may be thinking they can do one or more of them and won't have to do any restructures. Or are waiting to see what they can or can't get done before they determine how much they want to restructure on the available levers they haven't pulled yet.

 

But I'll play along with your idea. Who do you see as a Possible cut? Bc outside of what we already did with Von Miller, Kaiir Elam (Trade), and Sam Martin - I'm not seeing anyone on the roster that makes sense. The three names I see all the time though are:

 

- Curtis Samuel: Cutting him would cost us 8.6m in Dead Money and would save us just $430,000. Even if he did save us money, our WR core is considered pretty lacking even with him. Letting him go would leave us in a really rough position.

 

- AJ Epenesa: Cutting him would save us 6.2m and cost us 1.3m in Dead Money. The problem there is that we don't get Hoecht until Week 8, Joey Bosa is injury prone, and has already gotten injured before we've even arrived at Training Camp. We always carry 5 DE's. If the season started tomorrow and we had moved on from Epenesa, we'd have Groot, Jackson, and Solomon... and that's it. We have no idea what Jackson will be in the NFL (Solomon's a relative unknown as well) and knowing McDermott, I don't see him starting a Round 3 Rookie right out of the gate. Let alone before we've even seen him in Training Camp. Which even if Bosa is healthy, he'd essentially have to be - as I don't think they're going to use Bosa for 50% or more of snaps.

 

- Daquan Jones: Cutting him would cost us 3.9m in Dead Money and save us 5.5m on the Cap. But it's sort of the same thing with him as Epenesa. We always carry at least 5 DT's. We don't get Ogunjobi until Week 8. Moving on from him would leave us with Oliver, Sanders, Walker, and Carter and that's it. And a complete mess at 1T. He's pretty much our only True 1T. It would leave us with TJ Sanders (a True 3T who has been said will play at 3T, that we may or may not slide next to Oliver only on obvious passing downs), Deone Walker (we'll probably put him at 1T bc of his size, but plays more like a big bodied 3T and is still trying to get to 100% after a bad back), and Dewayne Carter (in my eyes and the eyes of many, he's a True 3T. He didn't play 1T in College and doesn't really fit there. Beane says he'll be tried at both positions this offseason, but I'm not seeing it).

 

I don't think I have to say Samuel will not be cut. When it comes to AJE and Jones, I don't think you can move on from either until after Week 6 when Hoecht and Ogunjobi return. Moving on from either would leave us shorthanded as is and in a *really* rough spot if there's any injuries before Week 8 (which is likely). The absolute earliest you could consider either is after Training Camp (I wouldn't even do it then), when you've evaluated guys like Jackson, Solomon, Sanders, Walker, and Carter in the DE and 1T spots. And that does nothing to clear cap now and get Hairston, Sanders, and Walker under contract. And if they felt good about the DE and DT positions post Draft without them, they'd have been moved on from in the giant list of players league wide that were cut for Rookies in Late April and Early May.

Edited Saturday at 09:51 PM by BillsFanForever19

[ColoradoBills]

19 minutes ago, BillsFanForever19 said:

But I'll play along with your idea. Who do you see as a Possible cut?

 

All I am saying is a June 1st cut is possible.  Just like a restructure or extension.

3 rookies need to be signed and Beane doesn't have enough right now to do that, so something is going to happen.

He could have done the restructure but hasn't yet.

[Big Turk]

Draft pick contracts nowadays are almost always a formality that at most is held up over minor things like offset language...dollar amounts are already set in stone 

[In Summary]

On 5/30/2025 at 2:09 AM, BillsFanForever19 said:

- a Connor McGovern extension could save up to 4.2m

I'm good with this

[Don Otreply]

On 5/30/2025 at 12:13 AM, GolfandBills said:

omg hold outs!!!

Kids nowadays…, 

[PromoTheRobot]

17 hours ago, BillsFanForever19 said:

 

Can you name a player that was on the roster the year before that they cut after 6/1 and before Training Camp? I can't. Meanwhile we've done many restructures around that time and past that point.

 

I also mentioned extensions. They may be working on extensions for guys like Connor McGovern, David Edwards, or maybe even James Cook. Extensions take two parties and isn't something that happens quickly. They may be thinking they can do one or more of them and won't have to do any restructures. Or are waiting to see what they can or can't get done before they determine how much they want to restructure on the available levers they haven't pulled yet.

 

But I'll play along with your idea. Who do you see as a Possible cut? Bc outside of what we already did with Von Miller, Kaiir Elam (Trade), and Sam Martin - I'm not seeing anyone on the roster that makes sense. The three names I see all the time though are:

 

- Curtis Samuel: Cutting him would cost us 8.6m in Dead Money and would save us just $430,000. Even if he did save us money, our WR core is considered pretty lacking even with him. Letting him go would leave us in a really rough position.

 

- AJ Epenesa: Cutting him would save us 6.2m and cost us 1.3m in Dead Money. The problem there is that we don't get Hoecht until Week 8, Joey Bosa is injury prone, and has already gotten injured before we've even arrived at Training Camp. We always carry 5 DE's. If the season started tomorrow and we had moved on from Epenesa, we'd have Groot, Jackson, and Solomon... and that's it. We have no idea what Jackson will be in the NFL (Solomon's a relative unknown as well) and knowing McDermott, I don't see him starting a Round 3 Rookie right out of the gate. Let alone before we've even seen him in Training Camp. Which even if Bosa is healthy, he'd essentially have to be - as I don't think they're going to use Bosa for 50% or more of snaps.

 

- Daquan Jones: Cutting him would cost us 3.9m in Dead Money and save us 5.5m on the Cap. But it's sort of the same thing with him as Epenesa. We always carry at least 5 DT's. We don't get Ogunjobi until Week 8. Moving on from him would leave us with Oliver, Sanders, Walker, and Carter and that's it. And a complete mess at 1T. He's pretty much our only True 1T. It would leave us with TJ Sanders (a True 3T who has been said will play at 3T, that we may or may not slide next to Oliver only on obvious passing downs), Deone Walker (we'll probably put him at 1T bc of his size, but plays more like a big bodied 3T and is still trying to get to 100% after a bad back), and Dewayne Carter (in my eyes and the eyes of many, he's a True 3T. He didn't play 1T in College and doesn't really fit there. Beane says he'll be tried at both positions this offseason, but I'm not seeing it).

 

I don't think I have to say Samuel will not be cut. When it comes to AJE and Jones, I don't think you can move on from either until after Week 6 when Hoecht and Ogunjobi return. Moving on from either would leave us shorthanded as is and in a *really* rough spot if there's any injuries before Week 8 (which is likely). The absolute earliest you could consider either is after Training Camp (I wouldn't even do it then), when you've evaluated guys like Jackson, Solomon, Sanders, Walker, and Carter in the DE and 1T spots. And that does nothing to clear cap now and get Hairston, Sanders, and Walker under contract. And if they felt good about the DE and DT positions post Draft without them, they'd have been moved on from in the giant list of players league wide that were cut for Rookies in Late April and Early May.

 

I'm hoping for a nice bounceback year from Samuel. 

[JP51]

On 5/30/2025 at 11:54 PM, BigAl2526 said:

Yeah, the only thing that they can negotiate is guaranteed money, not the total amount or length of the deal.  Late round draft picks don't have much leverage.  Top draft picks have a bit more, but still not a lot.

Exactly

[billsfan89]

On 5/30/2025 at 2:09 AM, BillsFanForever19 said:

 

 

- a Dion Dawkins restructure could save up to 9.8m

 

- a Dawson Knox restructure could save up to 6.3m

 

- a Connor McGovern extension could save up to 4.2m

 

And those are just the obvious ones that were suggested by different analysts prior to FA that we didn't do. There may be others that I'm not privy to. My guess is one or more of those things are going to happen.

 

My guess would be they do the McGovern one. He's 28 this year and that's not old for an offensive linemen esp one that wasn't a full time starter until 2 years ago. A 3-4 year extension would keep him through ages 29-31/32 which keeps him through his last prime seasons as O-linemen tend to play at a high level until age 32/33. 

 

The Bills currently sit at 2ish million in space. They need to free up about 8 million more to accommodate the rookie scale guys (about 2-3 million), the PS (about 4 million), and an "in season emergency" fund (3 million or so). Getting McGovern locked down gets you slightly over to half way where you need and locks in 4 out of 5 starters for the offensive line in 2026. As far as the other levers I don't know if I see the Bills liking to go either direction. Knox is overpaid as is and do they want to to make that contract a lot harder to get out of? Dawkins is 31 and as previously mentioned O-linemen play at a high level until about age 32/33 so Dawkins may only have 2 and at best 3 elite high quality seasons left and if they restructure his deal that's gonna make that deal a lot harder to get out of down the line if you push money back. 

 

I could see the Bills maybe doing the McGovern extension and then if they feel like they need another 3-4 million do a partial restructure of both Dawkins and Knox. to knock off 2 million on each of their cap numbers to get the Bills to have 10 million in space needed to get their picks and PS signed and have that in season buffer. 

[Simon]

On 5/29/2025 at 11:00 AM, billvernsays said:

Have our draft picks signed their contracts?

 

 

All except for Landon Jackson, who was only able to scratch an X on the paper.