mannc Posted April 22 Share Posted April 22 (edited) 5 hours ago, BullBuchanan said: That's a gross minimization of the scenario at hand. We lost our starting center, replacing him with a player who has minimal experience at the position and creating a gap at left guard that we're assuming will be handled adequately. We lost our top 2 receivers (82% snap count), our starting safeties, our #3 outside cornerback (43% snap count), our #3 and #4 DT (36% snap count), our #2 RB (30% snap count). Our current two safeties are not NFL level starting players. Edwards is a borderline roster talent. We have a massive dropoff at CB #3. I don't really care who they are adding in the draft for the purposes of my argument. They are going to be rookies, and late pick rookies at that. They will take time to acclimate. Your last comment about never being in a rebuild just because we have Allen is maybe the most lolable part of this. If the Brady led Pats had to rebuild on several occassions while he was stacking Lombardis. Allen and his zero super bowl appearances is hardly immune. So you really think we'll miss Gabe Davis, Dane Jackson and Tim Settle???? You must be the only one on this board who thinks so. Dooooomed! Mitch Morse was a good center but he was getting old, and with most teams not using a nose tackle, center is probably the most de-valued position there is, maybe even more than running back. There no reason Connor McGovern can't be a perfectly fine replacement. I'm not sure who the #2 RB is that you're referring to...oh wait, Latavius Murray????? How will we ever survive without him???? 😃 Please tell me you're not "concerned" about safety...Hyde and Poyer's play fell off considerably last year and there are still a number of NFL starting safeties from last year available as free agents. And of course at least two of our 10 draft picks are sure to be safeties... These types of departures are typical of every NFL team every year...The Chiefs this year had a grand total of three starters left from the 2020 Super Bowl championship team. Your level of "sky is falling" hysteria about losing a bunch of JAGs is absolutely hilarious. And to answer your last absurd comment, the Patriots never had a "re-build" in the Brady era. They won the AFCE 18 out of 20 years and made the playoffs every year except when Brady tore his ACL. They were Super Bowl contenders every year, while turning over their roster at almost the same rate as the Chiefs... Edited April 22 by mannc 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert Paulson Posted April 22 Share Posted April 22 On 4/20/2024 at 7:42 AM, bills6969 said: I have concerns on the defensive side of the ball. Specifically, with replacing Poyer/Hyde. Replacing their production/leadership will not be easy. Need some leaders to step up on D. As long as we have JA17, a Super Bowl should always be the goal. There are alot of shoes to fill going into this season. I do like that we aren’t really coming up in conversation for Super Bowl contenders. I think we get a bit overlooked this year, which I think will be good for this team. Yes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BullBuchanan Posted April 22 Share Posted April 22 1 minute ago, mannc said: So you really think we'll miss Gabe Davis, Dane Jackson and Tim Settle???? You must be the only one on this board who thinks so. Dooooomed! Mitch Morse was a good center but he was getting old, and with most teams not using a nose tackle, center is probably the most de-valued position there is, maybe even more than running back. There no reason Connor McGovern can't be a perfectly fine replacement. I'm not sure who the #2 RB is that you're referring to...oh wait, Latavius Murray????? How will we ever survive without him???? 😃 Please tell me you're not "concerned" about safety...Hyde and Poyer's play fell off considerably last year and there are still a number of NFL starting safeties from last year available as free agents. And of course at least two of our 10 draft picks are sure to be safeties... These types or departures are typical of every NFL team every year...The Chiefs this year had a grand total of three starters left from the 2020 Super Bowl championship team. Your level of "sky is falling" hysteria about losing a bunch of JAGs is absolutely hilarious. And to answer your last absurd comment, the Patriots never had a "re-build" in the Brady era. They won the AFCE 18 out of 20 years and made the playoffs every year except when Brady tore his ACL. The were Super Bowl contenders every year, while turning over their roster at almost the same rate as the Chiefs... Yes, no cap. You might be one of the only people that don't get this. Those are important roles being played on the team that you can't just fill with day 3 picks or veteran minim FA deals. This isn't Madden. 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mannc Posted April 22 Share Posted April 22 Just now, BullBuchanan said: Yes, no cap. You might be one of the only people that don't get this. Those are important roles being played on the team that you can't just fill with day 3 picks or veteran minim FA deals. This isn't Madden. Those kind of guys are replaced by NFL teams every year with no drop off in performance. That’s why they are called JAGS…🤣 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Boy Posted April 23 Share Posted April 23 44 minutes ago, mannc said: I don’t think you read anything I wrote. Where did I say the Bills don’t need difference makers? I said they are not rebuilding and will contend for a championship, just like they have the last four years. Uhh, the quote of yours that Josh single-handedly means we can be “never in rebuilding mode…never.” It is incorrect. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mannc Posted April 23 Share Posted April 23 7 minutes ago, Buffalo Boy said: Uhh, the quote of yours that Josh single-handedly means we can be “never in rebuilding mode…never.” It is incorrect. It's absolutely correct. The Bills are not in rebuilding mode now and they won't be until Josh Allen is gone or substantially diminished. NE was never "rebuilding" with Brady, KC has never rebuilt with Mahomes, GB never "rebuilt" with Rodgers, etc... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
716to540 Posted April 23 Share Posted April 23 Yes. I think we will. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nedboy7 Posted April 23 Share Posted April 23 After reading last years non stop hate towards Gabe, I think banning anyone who mentions the Bills will miss him is reasonable. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ganesh Posted April 23 Share Posted April 23 The Bills will always be super bowl contenders as long as Josh Allen is their QB and he is not injured (Touch wood!!!) The team is still loaded on offense even with the loss of Diggs and Davis. James Cook was the 3rd or 4th best RB last season in the NFL and will only get better as he continues to correct his mental errors. Dalton Kincaid came on very strong in the 2nd half of the season and can continuously move the chains. The same goes for Shakir. He made clutch catches in the 2nd half of the season and was better than Diggs and Davis in the limited opportunities, We still have Knox who can make those big catches on the sidelines when the game is on the line. Adding a speedy boundary receiver on the perimeter will help take the sting out of the Diggs loss. Not to forget the signing of Curtis Samuel. Hyde and Poyer were slow and on the downside of their career. They could not make the difference in the Playoffs and we need to find out what the young guys can do. If Milano can come back from his gruesome injury successfully, then he and Bernard should form a good LB core that can make the 3rd down defensive stops that we sorely lacked in the playoffs. With Cornerbacks, again it is not that we have lost superstars. They are all replacebale via the draft or the 2nd and 3rd wave of FA. The biggest weakness of this team is its coaching staff. They have not been able to out-coach the GOOD teams in the playoffs. That is due to the conservativeness of McDermott. He has to change that to be successful in the playoffs. The chiefs are winning because they have Andy Reid as their OC and a fiery Steve Spagnola as their DC. Steve has had much lesser experienced talent than the Bills to work with and he has successfully molded that defense. The Chiefs won this SB not because of Mahomes (who does Mahomes things) but due to that outstanding defensive effort. Go Bills !!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
90sBills Posted April 23 Share Posted April 23 33 minutes ago, mannc said: It's absolutely correct. The Bills are not in rebuilding mode now and they won't be until Josh Allen is gone or substantially diminished. NE was never "rebuilding" with Brady, KC has never rebuilt with Mahomes, GB never "rebuilt" with Rodgers, etc... You’re comparing the Bills situation with teams that have won it all. We’re not those teams. If the last few years should’ve taught us anything it’s that Allen alone isn’t enough. As long as we have him this team would automatically compete for a title is fallacy. He needs a complete team with playmakers throughout the roster to have a chance. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mannc Posted April 23 Share Posted April 23 13 minutes ago, 90sBills said: You’re comparing the Bills situation with teams that have won it all. We’re not those teams. If the last few years should’ve taught us anything it’s that Allen alone isn’t enough. As long as we have him this team would automatically compete for a title is fallacy. He needs a complete team with playmakers throughout the roster to have a chance. Do you think the Bills “didn’t have a chance” this past year? For most of the season they had the second or third best odds to win the Super Bowl… 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
90sBills Posted April 23 Share Posted April 23 (edited) 13 minutes ago, mannc said: Do you think the Bills “didn’t have a chance” this past year? For most of the season they had the second or third best odds to win the Super Bowl… I did not after that up and down start to the season. Ultimately it played out like how I thought it would last season. Edit: Betting odds are the worse indicator of performance. Why do you think most gamblers lose? Edited April 23 by 90sBills Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoTier Posted April 23 Share Posted April 23 1 hour ago, BullBuchanan said: Yes, no cap. You might be one of the only people that don't get this. Those are important roles being played on the team that you can't just fill with day 3 picks or veteran minim FA deals. This isn't Madden. Gabe Davis was a fourth round draft pick so he was taken on Day 3. He probably outplayed his draft position somewhat, and he was probably a bargain at $4-5 million (which is JAG money for a WR) but he surely wasn't worth the $13+ million a year that he got from Jacksonville; he simply isn't fast enough or consistent enough. The Bills already have a couple of guys on their roster capable of replacing a significant amount of Davis' production: Khalil Shakir and Curtis Samuel. The Bills do need to add two outside WRs (WR1 and WR2) before opening day. Most likely, the WR1 will come from round 1 or 2 of the draft. The Bills may take another WR on Day 3 or they may sign a veteran after June 1. They might do both. The Bills have the second best QB in the NFL playing behind a solid OL with a dynamic young starting RB who is a threat in both the running and passing games. Shakir and Samuel are both competent WRs. They have a pair of young TEs who give them the ability to use 2 TE sets to effectively run or pass the ball. The sky is not falling on the Bills offense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BullBuchanan Posted April 23 Share Posted April 23 3 hours ago, mannc said: Do you think the Bills “didn’t have a chance” this past year? For most of the season they had the second or third best odds to win the Super Bowl… I know you didn't ask me, but I sure didn't. I think I have posts around here saying they had no chance to win a Super Bowl somewhere around the Bengals or Broncos game and I got lambasted for it. Then everyone acted surprised when we lost to KC, but I expected it the whole season. I saw how we won and how we lost and I knew it wouldn't be good enough in January and February and it wasn't. Also, it seems like you don't know how betting odds work. Being a "favorite" by a bookmaker has nothing to do with how likely you are to win. It has to do with compensating against the expected action so that the bookmaker doesn't end up on the losing side of an outcome. All it means is that Vegas is expecting action on the Bills. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Process Posted April 23 Share Posted April 23 5 minutes ago, BullBuchanan said: I know you didn't ask me, but I sure didn't. I think I have posts around here saying they had no chance to win a Super Bowl somewhere around the Bengals or Broncos game and I got lambasted for it. Then everyone acted surprised when we lost to KC, but I expected it the whole season. I saw how we won and how we lost and I knew it wouldn't be good enough in January and February and it wasn't. Also, it seems like you don't know how betting odds work. Being a "favorite" by a bookmaker has nothing to do with how likely you are to win. It has to do with compensating against the expected action so that the bookmaker doesn't end up on the losing side of an outcome. All it means is that Vegas is expecting action on the Bills. You realize you were wrong, and those who felt we were contenders were right? Its pretty obvious if it weren't for injuries that we beat KC and are a win against playoff Lamar away from going to the Superbowl. Even with the injuries that game ended up being a toss up. You are clowning yourself. If you're gonna troll at least be good at it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
90sBills Posted April 23 Share Posted April 23 28 minutes ago, Process said: Its pretty obvious if it weren't for injuries that we beat KC and are a win against playoff Lamar away from going to the Superbowl. Even with the injuries that game ended up being a toss up. How in the world is a hypothetical obvious? It’s so easy in make believe land. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BullBuchanan Posted April 23 Share Posted April 23 1 hour ago, Process said: You realize you were wrong, and those who felt we were contenders were right? Its pretty obvious if it weren't for injuries that we beat KC and are a win against playoff Lamar away from going to the Superbowl. Even with the injuries that game ended up being a toss up. You are clowning yourself. If you're gonna troll at least be good at it. Obvious? My man, we were NOT EVEN CLOSE to being anywhere near a Super Bowl contender last year. Those top 4 teams were playing a different sport than the Bills. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mannc Posted April 23 Share Posted April 23 4 hours ago, BullBuchanan said: I know you didn't ask me, but I sure didn't. I think I have posts around here saying they had no chance to win a Super Bowl somewhere around the Bengals or Broncos game and I got lambasted for it. Then everyone acted surprised when we lost to KC, but I expected it the whole season. I saw how we won and how we lost and I knew it wouldn't be good enough in January and February and it wasn't. Also, it seems like you don't know how betting odds work. Being a "favorite" by a bookmaker has nothing to do with how likely you are to win. It has to do with compensating against the expected action so that the bookmaker doesn't end up on the losing side of an outcome. All it means is that Vegas is expecting action on the Bills. Good for you Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mannc Posted April 23 Share Posted April 23 7 hours ago, SoTier said: Gabe Davis was a fourth round draft pick so he was taken on Day 3. He probably outplayed his draft position somewhat, and he was probably a bargain at $4-5 million (which is JAG money for a WR) but he surely wasn't worth the $13+ million a year that he got from Jacksonville; he simply isn't fast enough or consistent enough. The Bills already have a couple of guys on their roster capable of replacing a significant amount of Davis' production: Khalil Shakir and Curtis Samuel. The Bills do need to add two outside WRs (WR1 and WR2) before opening day. Most likely, the WR1 will come from round 1 or 2 of the draft. The Bills may take another WR on Day 3 or they may sign a veteran after June 1. They might do both. The Bills have the second best QB in the NFL playing behind a solid OL with a dynamic young starting RB who is a threat in both the running and passing games. Shakir and Samuel are both competent WRs. They have a pair of young TEs who give them the ability to use 2 TE sets to effectively run or pass the ball. The sky is not falling on the Bills offense. But how we gonna compete without Jordan Phillips and Latavius Murray???? I’m telling you, we’re doooomed! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Boy Posted April 23 Share Posted April 23 6 hours ago, Process said: You realize you were wrong, and those who felt we were contenders were right? Its pretty obvious if it weren't for injuries that we beat KC and are a win against playoff Lamar away from going to the Superbowl. Even with the injuries that game ended up being a toss up. You are clowning yourself. If you're gonna troll at least be good at it. Shoulda, coulda, woulda….. You realize we didn’t win, in the playoffs with home field Again? The 49rs could be SB champs….. but they’re not🤷♂️ Pointing out that this team, with Josh ,and who else, repeatedly isn’t getting it done, isn’t trolling. Stating that you don’t think the Bills are positioned well or coached well enough to contend for the SB doesn’t make you a troll. Answering the OPs question honestly also doesn’t make you a troll. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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