Niagara Bill Posted March 28 Posted March 28 8 hours ago, Pokebball said: Wow. First, we aren't talking about NAFTA. Autopac favored Canada and that simply isn't negotiable. NAFTA did shift favor to Mexico from Canada. The situation trump has placed us in today, even though he is not truthful, was built with the fully knowledge, approval, and rules set by the US government from Pres to congress to governors, at the wish of the industry, at the wish of citizens who needed vehicle pricing to remain low, to add tech to vehicles, to help drag Mexico into the world and develop, in the great spirit of friendship, business relationship and North American power and strength. It was done in tandem with mutual security, the sharing of data about citizens sensitive data. It was done with private and government investment in schools, training, sharing, and cross border professional movement. Without these efforts Kentucky would not have an auto industry, nor would Carolina, and Texas. Then without discussion, without consideration, and with great malice, the prez and his honchos violated the trust of the signature of the prez , his own actual signature, violated the trust of an entire nation he represents and without cause. We and the world now know, don't trust the US or its people, or it's businesses. Money is the result of business, but trust is the real currency. That will be the lesson. 1 1
JFKjr Posted March 28 Posted March 28 9 hours ago, Andy1 said: So Trump wants tariffs, increasing the cost that all dealers will have to pay, and then he wants them to eat that cost? Of course that cost will be passed on to the buying public! So what do all the republicans who say Biden was a communist have to say about this? In addition, the cost of used cars will rise since more people will be shopping used and there is a massive shortage of good used cars due to supply chain problems after Covid. But that’s not all. The cost to repair our cars will increase as the parts are more expensive due to the Trump tax and the cost to insure our cars will be higher since it will cost more to repair them. We will all get to pay more to Donald while he will give his billionaire buddies tax cuts. Although not a Republican, I'd say your knowledge of economics and high stakes political negotiation is minimal. 1
SectionC3 Posted March 28 Posted March 28 9 hours ago, Andy1 said: So Trump wants tariffs, increasing the cost that all dealers will have to pay, and then he wants them to eat that cost? Of course that cost will be passed on to the buying public! So what do all the republicans who say Biden was a communist have to say about this? In addition, the cost of used cars will rise since more people will be shopping used and there is a massive shortage of good used cars due to supply chain problems after Covid. But that’s not all. The cost to repair our cars will increase as the parts are more expensive due to the Trump tax and the cost to insure our cars will be higher since it will cost more to repair them. We will all get to pay more to Donald while he will give his billionaire buddies tax cuts. This is exactly what will happen in a market economy. 4 hours ago, Doc Brown said: If they aren't allowed to raise prices but their costs go up the only option they'd have is to lay off workers. Either that or they ignore him and raise prices anyways. Either outcome is not optimal. Doesn't he realize a lot of the parts used by American car companies to make cars are imported from other countries? It will take years to move manufacturing to the US and even then it will be less efficient and cost more. This will jack up car insurance premiums too. Also, if you're the head of these companies how can you plan long term if there's no guarantee that these Tariffs will be permanent? This could happen, too. Probably both this and the immediately former post. Higher prices, and fewer jobs. 3 hours ago, BringMetheHeadofLeonLett said: Fine - who cares in the short-term, but we're supposed to hope in a guy who has failed at everything he's done in life- beyond promoting his 'brand' ... gag, to actually for once in his life... succeed? You gotta be a lunatic. Those foreigners are smarter than him- and it's not even close. Get you heads out of yiur asses, Trump is too ######ed to even be an American Despot. He's done well at bankrupting himself. Now he's going to bankrupt "you!"
4th&long Posted March 28 Posted March 28 Kim Jong trump is telling the auto companies not to raise price. The dictator wannabe is noting more than a clown.
Pokebball Posted March 28 Posted March 28 4 hours ago, Niagara Bill said: The situation trump has placed us in today, even though he is not truthful, was built with the fully knowledge, approval, and rules set by the US government from Pres to congress to governors, at the wish of the industry, at the wish of citizens who needed vehicle pricing to remain low, to add tech to vehicles, to help drag Mexico into the world and develop, in the great spirit of friendship, business relationship and North American power and strength. It was done in tandem with mutual security, the sharing of data about citizens sensitive data. It was done with private and government investment in schools, training, sharing, and cross border professional movement. Without these efforts Kentucky would not have an auto industry, nor would Carolina, and Texas. Then without discussion, without consideration, and with great malice, the prez and his honchos violated the trust of the signature of the prez , his own actual signature, violated the trust of an entire nation he represents and without cause. We and the world now know, don't trust the US or its people, or it's businesses. Money is the result of business, but trust is the real currency. That will be the lesson. Honest question--do you think he's doing more than what he campaigned on and was elected by a majority to do? As an fyi, I didn't vote for him, but it sure seems to me that he ran on this agenda?
The Frankish Reich Posted March 28 Author Posted March 28 https://www.cnbc.com/video/2025/03/27/u-s-automakers-distracted-by-tariffs-gives-china-an-innovation-edge-former-ford-ceo.html While we fight with our "allies" China will just keep chugging along.
Niagara Bill Posted March 28 Posted March 28 2 hours ago, Pokebball said: Honest question--do you think he's doing more than what he campaigned on and was elected by a majority to do? As an fyi, I didn't vote for him, but it sure seems to me that he ran on this agenda? Don't care what he ran on. If that is what you signed up for, to attack your friends without conversationm without being civil, with threats of takeover and attack, with threats to destroy your friends, to violate agreements you and specifically he signed, to mock, to outright lie about issues. Then you need to understand, the relationship that once existed is gone, forever.
Trump_is_Mentally_fit Posted March 28 Posted March 28 My God, what a Fock turd job Trump is doing to economy All to save his rich buddies tax money. Screwing the American middle class to help his buddies
Pokebball Posted March 28 Posted March 28 11 minutes ago, Niagara Bill said: Don't care what he ran on. If that is what you signed up for, to attack your friends without conversationm without being civil, with threats of takeover and attack, with threats to destroy your friends, to violate agreements you and specifically he signed, to mock, to outright lie about issues. Then you need to understand, the relationship that once existed is gone, forever. Those that voted for him probably want him to do what he said he would do??? 1
AlBUNDY4TDS Posted March 28 Posted March 28 13 minutes ago, Niagara Bill said: Don't care what he ran on. If that is what you signed up for, to attack your friends without conversationm without being civil, with threats of takeover and attack, with threats to destroy your friends, to violate agreements you and specifically he signed, to mock, to outright lie about issues. Then you need to understand, the relationship that once existed is gone, forever. Dude, nobody cares about Canada. They are the little brother we don't really need. 11 minutes ago, Trump_is_Mentally_fit said: My God, what a Fock turd job Trump is doing to economy All to save his rich buddies tax money. Screwing the American middle class to help his buddies Do you drink and post everyday?
Westside Posted March 28 Posted March 28 2 hours ago, The Frankish Reich said: https://www.cnbc.com/video/2025/03/27/u-s-automakers-distracted-by-tariffs-gives-china-an-innovation-edge-former-ford-ceo.html While we fight with our "allies" China will just keep chugging along. With the help of the biden administration the last four years. China owned the biden administration. The lavish gifts and money donated to hunter and sleepy joe kept them in chinas pocket the last four years. 1 1
Doc Brown Posted March 28 Posted March 28 29 minutes ago, Westside said: With the help of the biden administration the last four years. China owned the biden administration. The lavish gifts and money donated to hunter and sleepy joe kept them in chinas pocket the last four years. That explains the tariffs on Canada and Mexico. 1 1
Niagara Bill Posted March 28 Posted March 28 1 hour ago, AlBUNDY4TDS said: Dude, nobody cares about Canada. They are the little brother we don't really need. Do you drink and post everyday? You care about nobody...we get it, so don't expect respect from anyone. 1
4th&long Posted March 28 Posted March 28 (edited) 1 hour ago, AlBUNDY4TDS said: Dude, nobody cares about Canada. They are the little brother we don't really need. Do you drink and post everyday? White trash moron trump supporter. I would say you post and drink but you are just an idiot. Edited March 28 by 4th&long
AlBUNDY4TDS Posted March 28 Posted March 28 2 hours ago, 4th&long said: White trash moron trump supporter. I would say you post and drink but you are just an idiot. I'm intrigued, what makes me white trash? I cut my mullet years ago.
Andy1 Posted March 29 Posted March 29 I’m still waiting for a rational explanation for the need for the Trump tariff taxes. No respected economist endorses the Trump tax as a cure for the American economy. Hell, I don’t even know what the problem is aside from some inflation in America which has also happened in every other developed nation. If there was any sound economic reasoning for the tariffs, any rational sane president would explain to the country why tariffs are necessary and why America will benefit from them. They would be implemented in a planned manner to minimize financial losses to American businesses. There would also be a “Buy Made in America” PR campaign to raise support for the policy. Instead, Trump lies to Americans that other nations will be paying the tax money to America, like his “Mexico will pay for the wall” fantasy. There is no logic to how they are implemented. They are On, Off, On again, Off, maybe On again in the future…He gives no or very little advance notice to the American businesses affected. Clearly he is not doing this in a way to help businesses adapt or minimize the negative financial impact to our economy. So why the hell is he doing it? No one in the government can give a rational answer yet the Republican Party seems all for it since no one objects. Ostensibly, the administration claims the tariffs on products from Mexico and Canada are necessary until those evil countries stop the illegal fentanyl and migrants crossing the north and south borders. Illegal immigration is down 94% from a year ago so that doesn’t make sense. Over 90% of the fentanyl enters the country through legal border crossings with the vast majority being carried by American citizens. Why should all Americans pay thousands $ more each year to live because some stupid people choose to do drugs? Even if the most gullible person believes the immigrant/drugs BS, it doesn’t explain why tariffs are needed on products coming from other countries. Here is the bogus White House fact sheet explaining why tariffs are needed: https://www.whitehouse.gov/fact-sheets/2025/02/fact-sheet-president-donald-j-trump-imposes-tariffs-on-imports-from-canada-mexico-and-china/ There is no reason on this document to rebuild American manufacturing industry. There are no government incentives for businesses to build manufacturing plants in America. So it’s not about that. So why the hell is he doing it? Here are the options I’ve got so far: 1. This point is from Frankish Reich: Tank the economy, make a great recession and take the opportunity to use the bogus Emergency powers. I guess this theory would be to cause maximum stress and pain for Americans, divide the nation more than ever, get people marching in the streets, then he can claim the powers he so desires. Plausible. 2. Trump is a demented psychopath who enjoys using his power to inflict pain on others. He wants and gets off on other billionaires coming to him to beg for tariff relief for their business. He likes having the leaders of other nations calling him, asking for a policy change. His ego is happy when he sees others in pain. 3. He is trying to break and poison our relationships with our traditional trading partners and allies. His expansionist plan to take Canada and Greenland are consistent with this plan. Like WTF, who can be angry with Canada? He is preparing to leave NATO. America vs the world! America alone, or with our great ally Russia is best. These are all the desires of daddy Putin whom he is always trying to please. 4. Tariffs are a source of entertainment for him and his feeble brain. He loves the publicity and attention he gets from it all. He just wants to see what happens if he goes all in on tariffs, just because he can. Basically like a mad experiment on the economy. 5. Tariffs are a means he can use to extort millions of $$ from businesses owners for his personal enrichment. Corruption to the max. 6. He wants Americans to pay more to live so he can pay for his future tax cut for his billionaire friends. This is often speculated but I don’t think Trump cares about paying for anything. He never has cared about paying his bills. 7. The MAGA dream: Tariffs are bargaining chips the master deal maker will use to create a better world than any of us can imagine. 8. #s 1, 2, 3, 4 & 5 above. That’s all I got. If you have a rational reason, voice it. 1 1 1 2
JFKjr Posted March 29 Posted March 29 13 hours ago, Andy1 said: I’m still waiting for a rational explanation for the need for the Trump tariff taxes. No respected economist endorses the Trump tax as a cure for the American economy. Hell, I don’t even know what the problem is aside from some inflation in America which has also happened in every other developed nation. It's a negotiating tool. I could explain further, but you could also read "the Art of the Deal."
4th&long Posted March 29 Posted March 29 3 minutes ago, JFKjr said: It's a negotiating tool. I could explain further, but you could also read "the Art of the Deal." You mean the art of going bankrupt?
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