Josh made the right call to go for the TD

[CincyBillsFan]

6 hours ago, BullBuchanan said:

Of course, to make this statement, you have to ignore that Allen had a lifetime to see Jones coming as he stood there motionless in the pocket instead of taking a half step forward or to the right. If you want to claim that he only missed because he was interfered with, then he should have done the bare minimum to not be interfered with. We all know he's capable of it. We shouldn't accept it as a legitimate excuse.

A lifetime to make that throw?  Me thinks you exaggerate a bit here.

 

It's actually insane the way Bills fans are analyzing this one play.  It's obvious what happened:  Allen choose to go for the TD hitting an open Shakir and missed the throw because the pass rusher pushed the tackle into him.  An for this we've had a ten page thread.  Nitpicking Allen seems to be a favorite activity for some Bills fans.

 

 

 

 

[Man with No Name]

has anybody looked at how much time allen had from the snap to when he let go of the ball? i don't know enough to say whether he should have felt that pressure quickly enough to step away from it. 

[billieve420]

1 hour ago, CincyBillsFan said:

A lifetime to make that throw?  Me thinks you exaggerate a bit here.

 

It's actually insane the way Bills fans are analyzing this one play.  It's obvious what happened:  Allen choose to go for the TD hitting an open Shakir and missed the throw because the pass rusher pushed the tackle into him.  An for this we've had a ten page thread.  Nitpicking Allen seems to be a favorite activity for some Bills fans.

 

 

 

 

It is more the play call, the time left on the clock and the down and distance. Diggs was never even looked at so appears he was being used as decoy to draw coverage. So I don’t have issue with Josh throwing to his primary read. I have bigger issue with Brady calling it at that spot. If they attempted that on first down no one would have cared. However, that entire series of play calls cost team the game there. On both 2nd/3rd and long they should have been scheming someone underneath to get open close to that first down marker to get another set of downs.
 

If it was close enough going for it on 4th. I rather put ball in my best player’s hand in Allen and losing versus going for a FG if KC had timeouts and enough time on the clock to drive back down for winning FG. The only way I was settling for FG in that situation if it was 4th and long or we had drained enough time off the clock that odds were in our favor that OT was likely.

[CincyBillsFan]

1 hour ago, Man with No Name said:

has anybody looked at how much time allen had from the snap to when he let go of the ball? i don't know enough to say whether he should have felt that pressure quickly enough to step away from it. 

Here's my issue with those claiming Allen could have just stepped up into the pocket on that play. If Dawkins was pushing Jones to the outside it would have been a simple matter of moving up into the pocket. But Jones was driving Dawkins STRAIGHT back into the QB.  If Allen had stepped up into the pocket Jones disengages from Dawkins and tackles him as he steps up. I guess Dawkins could have held him and hoped the Ref doesn't see it but there is no way that an all pro like Jones isn't fully aware of Allen's threat to step up and throw or run the ball.   

[Einstein]

1 hour ago, Man with No Name said:

has anybody looked at how much time allen had from the snap to when he let go of the ball? 

 

2.48 seconds from ball hitting Allen’s hands, to Allen’s wind-up. 

 

Time to release was 2.69 seconds.

Edited January 28 by Einstein

[Bermuda Triangle]

On 1/27/2024 at 1:09 PM, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

They were probably determining PI or Illegal contact based on where the football was at the moment of contact.   Whether they got the exact call right isn't really that material.........they properly called a penalty which resulted in a short gain and an automatic first down.   Dorian Williams clearly looked at the receiver and threw his body into him to impede his progress toward the point where Mahomes threw the ball.

Contact within 5 yards of the LOS, prior to the ball being thrown, is legal.  Bad call.

[CincyBillsFan]

2 minutes ago, Einstein said:

 

2.48 seconds from ball hitting Allen’s hands, to Allen’s wind-up. 

That's quite a short lifespan.

 

 

[Bermuda Triangle]

3 minutes ago, CincyBillsFan said:

That's quite a short lifespan.

 

 

ALL DAY

[Einstein]

7 minutes ago, CincyBillsFan said:

That's quite a short lifespan.

 

Very.

 

Mahomes average time to throw this season was 2.97 seconds.

 

Lamar Jackson was 2.95 seconds.

 

CJ Stroud was 3.04 seconds.

 

 

 

[Thrivefourfive]

It’s so funny. A Bass field goal with two mins left,, and we would have for sure seen the Chiefs go down and do what the Bills were trying to do (allegedly)—score with no time left. And I wished it would’ve happened that way on McDermott’s defense. If we were going to lose, I wish it at least lead to his removal. 

[BullBuchanan]

2 hours ago, Einstein said:

 

2.48 seconds from ball hitting Allen’s hands, to Allen’s wind-up. 

 

Time to release was 2.69 seconds.

Which is a lot of time. Only Lamar Jackson(2.7), Russel Wilson(2.7) and Justin Fields(2.8) had more to to throw on average this season. No excuse to not make the throw.

https://www.fantasypros.com/nfl/advanced-stats-qb.php

[Einstein]

23 minutes ago, BullBuchanan said:

Which is a lot of time. Only Lamar Jackson(2.7), Russel Wilson(2.7) and Justin Fields(2.8) had more to to throw on average this season. No excuse to not make the throw.

https://www.fantasypros.com/nfl/advanced-stats-qb.php

 

Straight from the NFL…

 

Mahomes averaged 2.97 seconds per throw.

Lamar averaged 2.95 seconds per throw.

Hurts averaged 3.03 seconds per throw.

Herbert averaged 2.8 seconds per throw.

Murray averaged 2.8 seconds per throw.

Goff averaged 2.77 seconds per throw.

Piedy averaged 2.88 seconds per throw.

 

2.48 and 2.69 is quite fast.

 

https://nextgenstats.nfl.com/stats/passing#yards

 

 

Edited January 28 by Einstein

[Man with No Name]

18 minutes ago, BullBuchanan said:

Which is a lot of time. Only Lamar Jackson(2.7), Russel Wilson(2.7) and Justin Fields(2.8) had more to to throw on average this season. No excuse to not make the throw.

https://www.fantasypros.com/nfl/advanced-stats-qb.php

pocket time is not how long until you face pressure, it is how long until you release, which often comes without pressure. and when you are throwing a bunch of balls 0 to 5 yards down the field, that is bringing the average way down. 

[BullBuchanan]

13 minutes ago, Man with No Name said:

pocket time is not how long until you face pressure, it is how long until you release, which often comes without pressure. and when you are throwing a bunch of balls 0 to 5 yards down the field, that is bringing the average way down. 

Incorrect. You could have at least tried.
 

[Man with No Name]

Just now, BullBuchanan said:

Incorrect. You could have at least tried.
 

average time between snap and throwing ball. 

 

OR pressure. 

 

and they often throw the ball without pressure, and those throws are included in the average. 

[BullBuchanan]

5 minutes ago, Man with No Name said:

average time between snap and throwing ball. 

 

OR pressure. 

 

and they often throw the ball without pressure, and those throws are included in the average. 

What point are you trying to make here that isn't the same point I made?

[Man with No Name]

those averages  are how long they TOOK to throw. Not how long they HAD to throw.  for all kinds of different routes. you can't extrapolate a generalized stat like that into "He should have gotten rid of the ball quicker" on a 30 plus yard route. 

[BullBuchanan]

3 minutes ago, Man with No Name said:

those averages  are how long they TOOK to throw. Not how long they HAD to throw.  for all kinds of different routes. you can't extrapolate a generalized stat like that into "He should have gotten rid of the ball quicker" on a 30 plus yard route. 

And josh TOOK 2.69 Seconds to throw, which on average is longer than all but 3 QBs in the NFL.

It was a bad throw, but a worse decision. He should have hit Diggs or Kincaid underneath and ran out the clock. Instead, Hollywood Josh took over and lost the game.

Edited January 28 by BullBuchanan

[Man with No Name]

Just now, BullBuchanan said:

And josh TOOK 2.69 Seconds to throw, which on average is longer than all but 3 QBs in the NFL.

It was a bad throw, but a worse decision. He should have hit Diggs or Kincaid underneath and ran out the clock. Instead, Hollywood Josh took over and lost the game.

again, you are taking a generalized stat of ALL throws and extrapolating to a 30 yard route. get out of here. he didn't have all day, unfortunately. and it was the right call to throw to the open man in the end zone. the end. 

[Einstein]

27 minutes ago, BullBuchanan said:

Incorrect. You could have at least tried.
 

 

What irony.

Again, straight from the NFL…

 

Mahomes averaged 2.97 seconds per throw.

Lamar averaged 2.95 seconds per throw.

Hurts averaged 3.03 seconds per throw.

Herbert averaged 2.8 seconds per throw.

Murray averaged 2.8 seconds per throw.

Goff averaged 2.77 seconds per throw.

Piedy averaged 2.88 seconds per throw.

 

2.48 and 2.69 is quite fast.

 

https://nextgenstats.nfl.com/stats/passing#yards

 

8 minutes ago, BullBuchanan said:

which on average is longer than all but 3 QBs in the NFL.

 

Wrong.