newcam2012 Posted January 3 Share Posted January 3 27 minutes ago, FireChans said: Um, yes. Since 2017: Carroll is 1-4. 20% win percentage. BB is 5-3 McCarthy is 1-2 Harbaugh is 1-4 Payton is 3-4 Tomlin is 0-3 McVay 7-3 Shanny is 6-3 So at this point, by your playoff win% standards, McD is like a top 5 coach in the NFL. The only coaches with more or the same or more playoff games and a better playoff record since 2017 is McVay, Shanny, BB and Reid. Try to actually compare him to other coaches with the same standard. You call the stats deceptive, but what they really do is paint a picture you don't like. Folks love to say how good Tomlin and Harbaugh are, and they've won like 2 playoff games in a decade. But hey, if that's good, McD is elite lmao, Criteria is wins and games. When you have a ring it puts you in a different category. Go through your list and count who has a ring FireChans. I'll stand behind McD isn't elite come playoff time. You can compare other coaches and stats. 13 seconds and the Cinci thrashing just can't be dismissed as a whatever. Is that elite in your eyes? There's only one thing that will convince me that McD is elite. He's gotta bring that Lombardi Trophy to Buffalo. I guess we will disagree to disagree. Good day sir. 1 hour ago, Lionel Hutz said: My opinion hasn't changed at all. His team still shows it has trouble closing out games against bad teams the last two weeks. I'm probably in the minority here, but short of winning a Super Bowl I think he shouldn't return next season. It's understandable that a lot of Bills fans are just happy to make the playoffs after all the losing seasons we had before Allen got here, but you really should want more from this team. At least I'm not all alone here. I agree. The McD show has run its course. Great run but it's time to finish what he started. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newcam2012 Posted January 3 Share Posted January 3 32 minutes ago, Mikie2times said: Only three coaches ALL TIME in the Super Bowl era above 60% winning in the regular season have never won a conference championship game. I don't even need to only include coaches partial data and exclude franchise QB's to arrive at this stat. You can twist this anyway you want. McD has been trash in the playoffs and only in the same ball park as Marty. Keep fighting that fight. Amen Mike! Thanks for reassuring my thoughts. 22 minutes ago, FireChans said: Good thing Sean’s gonna win it this year. See you at the parade. They could easily be on their couches watching TV after Sunday. I hope not to the max. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrags Posted January 3 Share Posted January 3 6 minutes ago, FireChans said: I think it’s absolutely reasonable to want a new voice in the locker room. I thought it was more reasonable to want it when the team was dead in the water 8 weeks ago. But it’s not necessary to believe McD is a loser and a bad coach to want a change. The Eagles fired Reid famously despite being pretty successful because they never got over the hump. The Eagles won a Super Bowl before Reid did and got to a second. Does that mean Sirianni or Pederson are better coaches than Reid? Of course not. And no one would argue that, unless they were hell-bent on being foolish. Time will tell on those. And I’m not making that point as saying that either of them will surpass Reid for wins in a career. Most coaches in the modern NFL won’t ever get a chance to coach as long as Reid has. But either of those coaches could seriously make arguments for number of Super Bowl wins over Reid. The point is, it’s foolish to expect that anyone that replaces McD should need to be a Super Bowl winning coach. His replacement could just as easily be a young and up and coming coach. Like McDaniel, Siriani, McVay, Taylor, etc. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChans Posted January 3 Share Posted January 3 8 minutes ago, newcam2012 said: When you have a ring it puts you in a different category. Go through your list and count who has a ring FireChans. I'll stand behind McD isn't elite come playoff time. You can compare other coaches and stats. 13 seconds and the Cinci thrashing just can't be dismissed as a whatever. Is that elite in your eyes? There's only one thing that will convince me that McD is elite. He's gotta bring that Lombardi Trophy to Buffalo. I guess we will disagree to disagree. Good day sir. At least I'm not all alone here. I agree. The McD show has run its course. Great run but it's time to finish what he started. In all seriousness, what current NFL head coaches would you take over McD next season? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newcam2012 Posted January 3 Share Posted January 3 24 minutes ago, FireChans said: Good thing Sean’s gonna win it this year. See you at the parade. I hope you have a crystal ball and you know more than us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChans Posted January 3 Share Posted January 3 (edited) 4 minutes ago, mrags said: Time will tell on those. And I’m not making that point as saying that either of them will surpass Reid for wins in a career. Most coaches in the modern NFL won’t ever get a chance to coach as long as Reid has. But either of those coaches could seriously make arguments for number of Super Bowl wins over Reid. The point is, it’s foolish to expect that anyone that replaces McD should need to be a Super Bowl winning coach. His replacement could just as easily be a young and up and coming coach. Like McDaniel, Siriani, McVay, Taylor, etc. you think Sirianni could seriously make an argument for number of Super Bowl wins, when he’s never won one? I agree a young up and comer is possible. I also know that when 5-6 new HC's are hired every year, the data tells us almost all of them will be worse coaches than McD. Edited January 3 by FireChans Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newcam2012 Posted January 3 Share Posted January 3 12 minutes ago, FireChans said: I think it’s absolutely reasonable to want a new voice in the locker room. I thought it was more reasonable to want it when the team was dead in the water 8 weeks ago. But it’s not necessary to believe McD is a loser and a bad coach to want a change. The Eagles fired Reid famously despite being pretty successful because they never got over the hump. The Eagles won a Super Bowl before Reid did and got to a second. Does that mean Sirianni or Pederson are better coaches than Reid? Of course not. And no one would argue that, unless they were hell-bent on being foolish. Great post. That's pretty much how I see it. McD is a solid coach and above average but change is needed. I think the time has come for a new regime. I think the McD message has lost it's muster and effectiveness. I have no doubt McD will be successful coaching a middle of the road team. I think he'd be a great Charger coach. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillMafia716ix Posted January 3 Share Posted January 3 Best coach since Levy. He addressed the Dorsey problem. He’s had a few blunders but his defense has kept us in games all year despite the offense being inconsistent. Still needs to be better at clock management but the team has rallied behind him especially after the Tyler Dunn article. IMO it’s his best coaching job in his tenure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrags Posted January 3 Share Posted January 3 5 minutes ago, FireChans said: you think Sirianni could seriously make an argument for number of Super Bowl wins, when he’s never won one? I agree a young up and comer is possible. I also know that when 5-6 new HC's are hired every year, the data tells us almost all of them will be worse coaches than McD. He coaches one of the better teams in the nfl. He’s been there before. He’s got a hot young QB and a very solid team. He is in the NFC and in the Eastern division, there’s definitely a chance he’s going to be back. If the argument is that he won’t be as good or make it back to the Super Bowl because of teams like the 49ers. That brings me back to another coach like Shanahan. Another guy that was never a SB winning coach so apparently he never should have got his job either. Yet here he is killing it with Mr Irrelevant at QB. Meanwhile, McD has arguably the best 1-3 QBs in the league and McD is in a win to get in situation in week 18. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newcam2012 Posted January 3 Share Posted January 3 1 minute ago, BillMafia716ix said: Best coach since Levy. He addressed the Dorsey problem. He’s had a few blunders but his defense has kept us in games all year despite the offense being inconsistent. Still needs to be better at clock management but the team has rallied behind him especially after the Tyler Dunn article. IMO it’s his best coaching job in his tenure. You do realize that the Bills are hanging on to dear life to make the playoffs? It's been a roller coaster of a ride this year. The consistency of the team has been disappointing. Coaching has to share some of the blame. McD has seemingly been very and very bad with not a lot of in between. The team's run going into Sunday has been impressive. Hope it's not too little too late. This Sunday will tell us a lot about the team and it's coaches. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrags Posted January 3 Share Posted January 3 6 minutes ago, BillMafia716ix said: Best coach since Levy. He addressed the Dorsey problem. He’s had a few blunders but his defense has kept us in games all year despite the offense being inconsistent. Still needs to be better at clock management but the team has rallied behind him especially after the Tyler Dunn article. IMO it’s his best coaching job in his tenure. The same defense that allowed teams like the Pats, Broncos, Eagles to come back and beat us with no time left? Asking for a friend. Just now, newcam2012 said: You do realize that the Bills are hanging on to dear life to make the playoffs? It's been a roller coaster of a ride this year. The consistency of the team has been disappointing. Coaching has to share some of the blame. McD has seemingly been very and very bad with not a lot of in between. The team's run going into Sunday has been impressive. Hope it's not too little too late. This Sunday will tell us a lot about the team and it's coaches. 100% where I’m at. I have no doubt that McD COULD get to a Super Bowl. And even win one, especially with a QB like Allen. But I don’t have faith that he could do it on a regular basis enough to let him keep his job. More like him getting lucky than anything else. He just seems like when not absolutely everything goes his way he has troubles. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newcam2012 Posted January 3 Share Posted January 3 16 minutes ago, FireChans said: you think Sirianni could seriously make an argument for number of Super Bowl wins, when he’s never won one? I agree a young up and comer is possible. I also know that when 5-6 new HC's are hired every year, the data tells us almost all of them will be worse coaches than McD. I don't fear the unknown. I'd be willing to hire a new creative young offensive mind. Ben Johnson is at the top of the list. He makes Geoff look special. Imagine what he can do with Allen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillMafia716ix Posted January 3 Share Posted January 3 7 minutes ago, newcam2012 said: You do realize that the Bills are hanging on to dear life to make the playoffs? It's been a roller coaster of a ride this year. The consistency of the team has been disappointing. Coaching has to share some of the blame. McD has seemingly been very and very bad with not a lot of in between. The team's run going into Sunday has been impressive. Hope it's not too little too late. This Sunday will tell us a lot about the team and it's coaches. A lot of those losses earlier in the season was due to the offense being bad. He fired Dorsey because of it. He doesn’t get credit for that? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChans Posted January 3 Share Posted January 3 (edited) 13 minutes ago, mrags said: He coaches one of the better teams in the nfl. He’s been there before. He’s got a hot young QB and a very solid team. He is in the NFC and in the Eastern division, there’s definitely a chance he’s going to be back. If the argument is that he won’t be as good or make it back to the Super Bowl because of teams like the 49ers. That brings me back to another coach like Shanahan. Another guy that was never a SB winning coach so apparently he never should have got his job either. Yet here he is killing it with Mr Irrelevant at QB. Meanwhile, McD has arguably the best 1-3 QBs in the league and McD is in a win to get in situation in week 18. He might win 1 SB, sure. So might Shanahan. But neither have won yet. And only 4 coaches in NFL history have won 3 or more. There's much better odds that neither ever win than they ever surpass Reid. Like infinitely higher. Like a $5 bet would win you $5 million type odds. McD, if he wins this week (which he will) will be the two seed. The Eagles have next to no chance of winning their division and will be the fifth seed. Patrick Mahomes, the best QB in football, can't get higher than the third seed. I wouldn't touch Sirianni with a ten foot pole tbh. I think he's a supremely overrated coach with one of the most talented rosters in football, and this gigantic falter at the end of the season is largely a coaching issue. Like I said, if you want a coaching change, that's fine. IMO, you can't argue McD isn't a current top 10 head coach in the NFL. Like easily. I challenge anyone to name more than 9 coaches they would rather have than McD. The funny thing is some folks will say they wouldn't want BB as a HC next year, then say that jamokes like Harbaugh and Tomlin are better coaches than McD because they won a Superbowl a decade ago. It's contradiction city. Edited January 3 by FireChans 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teddy KGB Posted January 3 Share Posted January 3 Dudes a C minus Replace him unless we reach the afc title game Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChans Posted January 3 Share Posted January 3 9 minutes ago, newcam2012 said: I don't fear the unknown. I'd be willing to hire a new creative young offensive mind. Ben Johnson is at the top of the list. He makes Geoff look special. Imagine what he can do with Allen. Completely fair. Here's a list of the HC's hired in the last 3 seasons. Ryans Gannon Reich Steichen Daboll O'Connell McDaniel Eberflus Staley Saleh Smith McDaniels Campbell That list has 3 playoff wins between them. Now obviously, a lot of those teams are mediocre to bad, which is why they were in the head coaching market to begin with. But how many of those guys have bright futures in the league, in your opinion? Probably Steichen, McDaniel, Ryans and maaaaaaaybe O'Connell/Daboll. Campbell will probably be a solid HC, I don't think he's spectacular. Reich, McDaniels, Smith, Saleh, Eberflus, Staley are/were all disasters. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikie2times Posted January 3 Share Posted January 3 (edited) 1 hour ago, FireChans said: Good thing Sean’s gonna win it this year. See you at the parade. Want nothing more than to be horrifically wrong. Good attitude. 👍 Edited January 3 by Mikie2times Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrags Posted January 3 Share Posted January 3 3 minutes ago, FireChans said: He might win 1 SB, sure. So might Shanahan. But neither have won yet. And only 4 coaches in NFL history have won 3 or more. There's much better odds that neither ever win than they ever surpass Reid. Like infinitely higher. Like a $5 bet would win you $5 million type odds. McD, if he wins this week (which he will) will be the two seed. The Eagles have next to no chance of winning their division and will be the fifth seed. Patrick Mahomes, the best QB in football, can't get higher than the third seed. I wouldn't touch Sirianni with a ten foot pole tbh. I think he's a supremely overrated coach with one of the most talented rosters in football, and this gigantic falter at the end of the season is largely a coaching issue. Like I said, if you want a coaching change, that's fine. IMO, you can't argue McD isn't a current top 10 head coach in the NFL. Like easily. I challenge anyone to name more than 9 coaches they would rather have than McD. The funny thing is some folks will say they wouldn't want BB as a HC next year, then say that jamokes like Harbaugh and Tomlin are better coaches than McD because they won a Superbowl a decade ago. It's contradiction city. If the odds are that bad against 2 coaches that have actually made the Super Bowl, then what are they against a guy that has never been there as a HC like McDermott? I’ll take the bet now I guess. I’ll give you $5 and you pay me like $20m if he wins it. Fair? I do not think McD is a top 10 coach. I believe he benefits from having his dream defense between draft picks and free agency and completely lives off the offense the way it is and his future HOF QB. but since you asked, here’s a list of coaches I’d rather have than McD, not in any particular order: McVay Harbaugh Taylor Stefanski Campbell Ryans Pederson Reid McDaniel Shanahan Daboll Siriani Vrabel Bowles 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EmotionallyUnstable Posted January 3 Share Posted January 3 5 minutes ago, mrags said: If the odds are that bad against 2 coaches that have actually made the Super Bowl, then what are they against a guy that has never been there as a HC like McDermott? I’ll take the bet now I guess. I’ll give you $5 and you pay me like $20m if he wins it. Fair? I do not think McD is a top 10 coach. I believe he benefits from having his dream defense between draft picks and free agency and completely lives off the offense the way it is and his future HOF QB. but since you asked, here’s a list of coaches I’d rather have than McD, not in any particular order: McVay Harbaugh Taylor Stefanski Campbell Ryans Pederson Reid McDaniel Shanahan Daboll Siriani Vrabel Bowles Gross 🤢 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrags Posted January 3 Share Posted January 3 Just now, EmotionallyUnstable said: Gross 🤢 That should just about tell you how much faith I have in McDoodle Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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