Republican debate GDT

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

8 hours ago, Joe Ferguson forever said:

yes, they want a candidate from a caste system culture...look at the Fox site.  they are def in his camp and against Haley and Christie

Caste system culture? In Cincinnati ? 

[Joe Ferguson forever]

20 minutes ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said:

Caste system culture? In Cincinnati ? 

xRamaswamy was born on August 9, 1985, in Cincinnati, Ohio, to Hindu Tamil Brahmin immigrant parents.[3][7][8][9][10] He was raised in Ohio.[5] His family is from Kerala.[3][11][12] His father, V. Ganapathy Ramaswamy, a graduate of the National Institute of Technology Calicut, worked as an engineer and patent attorney for General Electric, while his mother, Geetha Ramaswamy, a graduate of the Mysore Medical College & Research Institute, worked as a geriatric psychiatrist.[3][13] His parents immigrated from Palakkad district in Kerala,[14][15] where the family had an ancestral home in a traditional agraharam in the town of Vadakkencher

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[Over 29 years of fanhood]

1 minute ago, Joe Ferguson forever said:

xRamaswamy was born on August 9, 1985, in Cincinnati, Ohio, to Hindu Tamil Brahmin immigrant parents.[3][7][8][9][10] He was raised in Ohio.[5] His family is from Kerala.[3][11][12] His father, V. Ganapathy Ramaswamy, a graduate of the National Institute of Technology Calicut, worked as an engineer and patent attorney for General Electric, while his mother, Geetha Ramaswamy, a graduate of the Mysore Medical College & Research Institute, worked as a geriatric psychiatrist.[3][13] His parents immigrated from Palakkad district in Kerala,[14][15] where the family had an ancestral home in a traditional agraharam in the town of Vadakkencher

oh I see your a xenophobe. Knew it

[Joe Ferguson forever]

1 minute ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said:

oh I see your a xenophobe. Knew it

he's brahmin.  by definition he's elite.  

[The Frankish Reich]

1 minute ago, Joe Ferguson forever said:

he's brahmin.  by definition he's elite.  

Yes.

But that doesn't mean he has to be a smarmy pandering ass. Twice he mentioned "God." Ending with his #1 talking point: "God is real."

The other candidates didn't want to go there, but again the obvious question is "what God or gods are you even talking about?" Clearly not the God of Abraham, of the Jews, of the Christians, of the Muslims. 

So I call him out not for being a non-Christian, not for being a Brahmin, but for being a shameless bs artist.

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[SoCal Deek]

1 minute ago, The Frankish Reich said:

Yes.

But that doesn't mean he has to be a smarmy pandering ass. Twice he mentioned "God." Ending with his #1 talking point: "God is real."

The other candidates didn't want to go there, but again the obvious question is "what God or gods are you even talking about?" Clearly not the God of Abraham, of the Jews, of the Christians, of the Muslims. 

So I call him out not for being a non-Christian, not for being a Brahmin, but for being a shameless bs artist.

Morning Frank

Just jumping in here but why does it matter what God he worships? I’m a Christian and I’m don’t take issue with him for his heritage and faith. 
 

And for what it’s worth, I thought the debate was a train wreck. 😉

[Joe Ferguson forever]

3 minutes ago, The Frankish Reich said:

Yes.

But that doesn't mean he has to be a smarmy pandering ass. Twice he mentioned "God." Ending with his #1 talking point: "God is real."

The other candidates didn't want to go there, but again the obvious question is "what God or gods are you even talking about?" Clearly not the God of Abraham, of the Jews, of the Christians, of the Muslims. 

So I call him out not for being a non-Christian, not for being a Brahmin, but for being a shameless bs artist.

All of this is true.  My point is that the anti elite cons seem to ignore this fact.  And they want their voices heard.  Brahmins don't listen to Indian leather workers.  He's one generation away from the caste system.  Old habits die hard.  But he is like fingernails on a blackboard.

[The Frankish Reich]

5 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

why does it matter what God he worships?

In case people don't understand: I don't think it matters. It has often been said that the only real religious bias left in American politics is against atheists. I would vote for an atheist or a Hindu or a Muslim or a Buddhist or a Christian, as long as they are competent, reasonably decent people.

But this guy has a weird talking point meant to appeal to the Republican religious right: "God is real." That doesn't even make sense coming from a practicing Hindu, at least without any explanation. It is certainly not the capital G God of the Republican religious right. All these righteous Republicans love talking about our Judeo-Christian values - values they say informed our constitution and form of government. Those are not the values of Vivek's religion or upbringing. Does he share them as a matter of philosophy but not belief? None of it makes sense logically.

It is pandering. It is bs.

5 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

And for what it’s worth, I thought the debate was a train wreck

On that we agree.

Edited August 24, 2023 by The Frankish Reich

[Joe Ferguson forever]

2 minutes ago, The Frankish Reich said:

In case people don't understand: I don't think it matters. It has often been said that the only real religious bias left in American politics is against atheists. I would vote for an atheist or a Hindu or a Muslim or a Buddhist or a Christian, as long as they are competent, reasonably decent people.

But this guy has a weird talking point meant to appeal to the Republican religious right: "God is real." That doesn't even make sense coming from a practicing Hindu, at least without any explanation. It is certainly not the God of the Republican religious right. All these righteous Republicans love talking about our Judeo-Christian values - values they say informed our constitution and form of government. Those are not the values of Vivek's religion or upbringing. Does he share them as a matter of philosophy but not belief? None of it makes sense logically.

It is pandering. It is bs.

MAGA- the strange paradox.  Or more likely, most of them are just stupid.  btw, as he rises in the polls, there will be much closer scrutiny of his past.  We'll see what shakes out.

Edited August 24, 2023 by Joe Ferguson forever

[SoCal Deek]

Just now, The Frankish Reich said:

In case people don't understand: I don't think it matters. It has often been said that the only real religious bias left in American politics is against atheists. I would vote for an atheist or a Hindu or a Muslim or a Buddhist or a Christian, as long as they are competent, reasonably decent people.

But this guy has a weird talking point meant to appeal to the Republican religious right: "God is real." That doesn't even make sense coming from a practicing Hindu, at least without any explanation. It is certainly not the God of the Republican religious right. All these righteous Republicans love talking about our Judeo-Christian values - values they say informed our constitution and form of government. Those are not the values of Vivek's religion or upbringing. Does he share them as a matter of philosophy but not belief? None of it makes sense logically.

It is pandering. It is bs.

Well reasoned Frank but I’m going to disagree. Hinduism may not be Christianity but I don’t think most Christians have the slightest problem with it. I think most people (both religious and atheist) would describe it as a peace loving, non-aggressive faith with a great reverence for life. You see it differently? 

[The Frankish Reich]

1 minute ago, Joe Ferguson forever said:

MAGA- the strange paradox.  Or more likely, most of them are just stupid.

So the real question for Vivek is: why on earth would we vote for you instead of Trump? I heard nothing to separate him from Trump other than "I'm younger."

As the surprising rising star of the Republican Party, he's about to get a lot of light shined on his past.

His history as an investor is fair game. And yes, he did support Martin Shkreli, the pharma bro. Take a close look at what that guy did, exploiting loopholes in the regulatory system and jacking up drug prices for ordinary people. Some illegal things, some legal but not exactly honorable things.

[SoCal Deek]

3 minutes ago, Joe Ferguson forever said:

MAGA- the strange paradox.  Or more likely, most of them are just stupid.  btw, as he rises in the polls, there will be much closer scrutiny of his past.  We'll see what shakes out.

The last part is true. The MAGA comment is just more pompous hate speech from good ‘ol Fergie….formerly Hawk

[Tommy Callahan]

like clockwork the farm is attacking the one that seemed to do the best in that trainwreck.

 

like the old "Obama is a Muslim" tripe from a decade ago.

 

but from the left this time.

[The Frankish Reich]

6 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

Well reasoned Frank but I’m going to disagree. Hinduism may not be Christianity but I don’t think most Christians have the slightest problem with it. I think most people (both religious and atheist) would describe it as a peace loving, non-aggressive faith with a great reverence for life. You see it differently? 

I think as properly conceived today that's correct.

It's certainly not correct with respect to Hindu nationalists like Modi.

And Vivek's second talking point: "there are two genders," is weirdly defensive given all the gender switching gods of Hindu mythology. Again: not fair game if he comes out and says "I was raised a Hindu, and raised with a moral code that respects life, family, and an ethical way of living."

But that's not what he's saying. There's a word for what he's doing: lying.

EDIT: https://www.amazon.com/Hindus-Alternative-History-Wendy-Doniger/dp/014311669X

Recommended. Really good huge book (I admit I didn't finish it). It's really impossible to reconcile this with the capital G "God is real."

Edited August 24, 2023 by The Frankish Reich

[SoCal Deek]

1 minute ago, Chris farley said:

like clockwork the farm is attacking the one that seemed to do the best in that trainwreck.

 

like the old "Obama is a Muslim" tripe from a decade ago.

 

but from the left this time.

That’s because people are the same on the same on both sides of the aisle. They simply want their side to win. I’m not so sure they even know WHY they want their to win anymore but by golly they know they want it! 😂

[The Frankish Reich]

2 minutes ago, Chris farley said:

like clockwork the farm is attacking the one that seemed to do the best in that trainwreck.

 

like the old "Obama is a Muslim" tripe from a decade ago.

 

but from the left this time.

But Obama wasn't a Muslim. He was a Christian. 

Nikki Haley was raised a Sikh. She is a Christian.

They have apparently accepted Jesus Christ as their lord and savior, which is something the religious right thinks is important in our leadership. That's why Vivek is compelled to say "God is real."

But he is not a Christian.

Different.

[SoCal Deek]

1 minute ago, The Frankish Reich said:

I think as properly conceived today that's correct.

It's certainly not correct with respect to Hindu nationalists like Modi.

And Vivek's second talking point: "there are two genders," is weirdly defensive given all the gender switching gods of Hindu mythology. Again: not fair game if he comes out and says "I was raised a Hindu, and raised with a moral code that respects life, family, and an ethical way of living."

But that's not what he's saying. There's a word for what he's doing: lying.

You may be right. I don’t know enough about him. But you seem to assign a sinister motive to all of it. What’s the motive? 

[Tommy Callahan]

1 minute ago, The Frankish Reich said:

But Obama wasn't a Muslim. He was a Christian. 

Nikki Haley was raised a Sikh. She is a Christian.

They have apparently accepted Jesus Christ as their lord and savior, which is something the religious right thinks is important in our leadership. That's why Vivek is compelled to say "God is real."

But he is not a Christian.

Different.

the fact the left is attacking him for his religion is on par with the right calling Obama a Muslim thinking that's a bad thing

 

 

and they are politicians. all politicians lie.