Milanos Milano Posted May 9, 2023 Share Posted May 9, 2023 4 minutes ago, Mattymafia said: Bills Reddit banning anyone for talking about Araiza at all. LOL cowards. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted May 9, 2023 Share Posted May 9, 2023 These threads are the best. People just making fools of themselves for our enjoyment. 🤣 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milanos Milano Posted May 9, 2023 Share Posted May 9, 2023 2 minutes ago, NewEra said: These threads are the best. People just making fools of themselves for our enjoyment. 🤣 The only fools are those that succumbed to the court of public opinions and punishing someone completely innocent until proven guilty. You know, like how America is suppose to be? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Coot Posted May 9, 2023 Share Posted May 9, 2023 If he's that good some NFL team will sign him. In the meantime he needs to file the appropriate forms with the federal department of "Is this where I go to get my reputation back?" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milanos Milano Posted May 9, 2023 Share Posted May 9, 2023 2 minutes ago, Old Coot said: If he's that good some NFL team will sign him. In the meantime he needs to file the appropriate forms with the federal department of "Is this where I go to get my reputation back?" That NFL team needs to be us. Own the mistakes. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted May 9, 2023 Share Posted May 9, 2023 6 minutes ago, IronMaidenBills said: The only fools are those that succumbed to the court of public opinions and punishing someone completely innocent until proven guilty. You know, like how America is suppose to be? No. Those aren’t the only fools 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanForever19 Posted May 9, 2023 Share Posted May 9, 2023 1 hour ago, IronMaidenBills said: The cubs had the billgoat curse for decades. We don’t need no Araiza curse. Do the right thing. You keep saying "do the right thing". Like he won't have any other opportunities and he's dying to come back here. If he's as clear as this would make it appear, he'll have a better chance to start elsewhere. We just signed a Punter to a long term 3 year contract. It's a shame that things happened the way they did. But Beane's not going to say "sorry Sam, I know you played well for us last year and you've moved your family up here but we're going to eat a bunch of money and fire you". Whether or not they can prove he was there and whether or not he did do anything, his being recorded telling the girl she should "get tested" is really what destroyed him in the court of public opinion. And the Bills, as well as other teams, may still have a hard time overlooking it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milanos Milano Posted May 9, 2023 Share Posted May 9, 2023 1 minute ago, NewEra said: No. Those aren’t the only fools All of these decisions solely rested on the shoulders of Beane, McD, and the owners. They brought him in here, and released him without due process. That’s it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCBills Posted May 9, 2023 Author Share Posted May 9, 2023 3 minutes ago, BillsFanForever19 said: You keep saying "do the right thing". Like he won't have any other opportunities and he's dying to come back here. If he's as clear as this would make it appear, he'll have a better chance to start elsewhere. We just signed a Punter to a long term 3 year contract. It's a shame that things happened the way they did. But Beane's not going to say "sorry Sam, I know you played well for us last year and you've moved your family up here but we're going to eat a bunch of money and fire you". Whether or not they can prove he was there and whether or not he did do anything, his being recorded telling the girl she should "get tested" is really what destroyed him in the court of public opinion. And the Bills, as well as other teams, may still have a hard time overlooking it. No, that’s absolutely not what hurt him in the court of public opinion. You don’t get labeled a rapist because you told someone they better get tested. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted May 9, 2023 Share Posted May 9, 2023 Didn't Bills face enough adversity last year? Remember they were already going through another mess at that time during the summer... We just weren't privy to the info. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoPoy88 Posted May 9, 2023 Share Posted May 9, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, IronMaidenBills said: Beane and the Pegula’s needs to do the right thing and either cut Martin and sign Araiza or keep both on the roster and pay both of them. It’s their fault for caving to a crappy irrational fan base. They need to own up to that and make things right. If we don’t make things right, then this team deserves the curse it will receive. Jesus this is ridiculous even from you. They didn’t cave to “fan irrationality” they made the right call at the time for the team. In no way does having a rostered player on the roster with rape allegations hanging over him help the locker room. And now you want them to cut the established punter who did fine for them last season and re-sign this guy just because? He’ll get another chance. 8 minutes ago, IronMaidenBills said: All of these decisions solely rested on the shoulders of Beane, McD, and the owners. They brought him in here, and released him without due process. That’s it. no NFL team is subject to due process obligations, you nonce. You should stop Edited May 9, 2023 by JoPoy88 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milanos Milano Posted May 9, 2023 Share Posted May 9, 2023 1 minute ago, JoPoy88 said: Jesus this is ridiculous even from you. They did cave to “fan irrationality” they made the right call at the time for the team. In no way does having a rostered player on the roster with rape allegations hanging over him help the locker room. And now you want them to cut the established punter who did fine for them last season and re-sign this guy just because? He’ll get another chance. I didn’t say cut Martin. I said to keep a second punter or get the NFL to make a roster exception for the Bills to carry Araiza. I dont give a flying crap about allegations. America is about due process, always has been and should be. Do the right thing or the universe will make that decision for us. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T master Posted May 9, 2023 Share Posted May 9, 2023 (edited) 4 hours ago, streetkings01 said: It’ll get overlooked……people will still refer to him as a rapist…..once your labeled it’s no shaking it even if your found innocent. What they need to do is he or the court system need to file a case against her seeking damages for at the very least the money that he lost by the Bills cutting him for the out right lie she told . Apparently she was just a slut looking for a pay day knowing he then had a NFL pay check coming in soon . I was hoping that the Bills would have dug a bit deeper & maybe talked with him & stood by him for a least a minute but they cut bait ASAP which in some ways in can understand but in others not so much . I heard say though that they say you are innocent until proven guilty but i guess not in todays world or the NFL . But as you say this will follow him weather they proved him innocent or not ... Edited May 9, 2023 by T master 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanForever19 Posted May 9, 2023 Share Posted May 9, 2023 (edited) 7 minutes ago, SCBills said: No, that’s absolutely not what hurt him in the court of public opinion. You don’t get labeled a rapist because you told someone they better get tested. If you don't think that recorded conversation by Police of him telling a woman who is claiming that he took advantage of her that he has Chlamydia and she should get tested wasn't the thing that made people believe there may be truth to it, especially after clamming up and hanging up - you're kidding yourself. Before that came out everyone was thinking "we'll see what comes of this". After that was released, he looked guilty. Edited May 9, 2023 by BillsFanForever19 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted May 9, 2023 Share Posted May 9, 2023 7 minutes ago, IronMaidenBills said: All of these decisions solely rested on the shoulders of Beane, McD, and the owners. They brought him in here, and released him without due process. That’s it. the way I see it, we the bills aren’t worthy of your fandom. The Bills are too soft mentally, unlike you. You should start rooting for team with a rock hard foundation, unlike the Bills 1 minute ago, IronMaidenBills said: I didn’t say cut Martin. I said to keep a second punter or get the NFL to make a roster exception for the Bills to carry Araiza. I dont give a flying crap about allegations. America is about due process, always has been and should be. Do the right thing or the universe will make that decision for us. You’re nuts bro. Forrealdough 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanForever19 Posted May 9, 2023 Share Posted May 9, 2023 (edited) 3 minutes ago, IronMaidenBills said: I didn’t say cut Martin. I said to keep a second punter or get the NFL to make a roster exception for the Bills to carry Araiza. I dont give a flying crap about allegations. America is about due process, always has been and should be. Do the right thing or the universe will make that decision for us. That's not how things work. The NFL isn't going to make an unprecedented roster exemption because a guy made himself look guilty, got released because of it, and later got cleared. If he is truly as innocent as this makes him appear, a team will sign him. Or they won't. But there will be no league mandates. Edited May 9, 2023 by BillsFanForever19 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoPoy88 Posted May 9, 2023 Share Posted May 9, 2023 2 minutes ago, IronMaidenBills said: I didn’t say cut Martin. I said to keep a second punter or get the NFL to make a roster exception for the Bills to carry Araiza. I dont give a flying crap about allegations. America is about due process, always has been and should be. Do the right thing or the universe will make that decision for us. You think the other owners are seriously going to entertain giving the Bills a roster exemption to carry a second punter? 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCBills Posted May 9, 2023 Author Share Posted May 9, 2023 Just now, BillsFanForever19 said: If you don't think that recorded conversation by Police of him telling a woman who is claiming that he took advantage of her that he has Chlamydia and she should get tested wasn't the thing that made people believe there may be truth to it, especially after clamming up and hanging up, didn't make everyone think there may be truth to it, you're kidding yourself. Before that came out everyone was thinking "we'll see what comes of this". After that was released, he looked guilty. Nah.. people were on him from jump. It was simply another feather in the cap for those who wanted to rush to judgment. Nobody who was genuinely on the fence had their mind changed because he may have given her an STD. It was still a he said/she said at that point. College kid having an STD equivalent to the common cold isn't indicative of anything. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattymafia Posted May 9, 2023 Share Posted May 9, 2023 7 minutes ago, IronMaidenBills said: I didn’t say cut Martin. I said to keep a second punter or get the NFL to make a roster exception for the Bills to carry Araiza. I dont give a flying crap about allegations. America is about due process, always has been and should be. Do the right thing or the universe will make that decision for us. Or let araiza compete for the job he lost over fake allegations 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanForever19 Posted May 9, 2023 Share Posted May 9, 2023 (edited) 4 minutes ago, SCBills said: Nah.. people were on him from jump. It was simply another feather in the cap for those who wanted to rush to judgment. Nobody who was genuinely on the fence had their mind changed because he may have given her an STD. It was still a he said/she said at that point. College kid having an STD equivalent to the common cold isn't indicative of anything. The rush to judgement crowd was on him from the jump. But you're just wrong if you think that being released didn't turn the tide from everyone else. College kid having an STD and telling a girl to get tested for said STD means, at the very least, they did have sex. And in conjunction with the pictures that were released of her state the next day, he looked guilty as sin. That's what ultimately got him released. They were ready to stick by him before that stuff came out. After that, they couldn't. Edited May 9, 2023 by BillsFanForever19 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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