FireChans Posted September 4, 2023 Share Posted September 4, 2023 2 hours ago, AuntieEm said: Also maybe didn't want a qb that was possibly a better talent than he was. He doesn't want to see his records for Broncos broken. He signed Peyton Manning Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AuntieEm Posted September 4, 2023 Share Posted September 4, 2023 1 hour ago, FireChans said: He signed Peyton Manning Yea a beaten up Peyton. Not any serious threat to his franchise records. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sierra Foothills Posted September 4, 2023 Share Posted September 4, 2023 On 2/23/2023 at 3:01 PM, HOUSE said: Davis Webb is now the Best QB in Denver....congrats This was a good laugh. I actually like Jarrett Stidham quite a bit and wouldn't be surprised if he started some games for the Broncos. On 2/23/2023 at 3:02 PM, The Wiz said: Those who can't do, teach. Those who can't teach, worked their way up through someone's coaching tree over 15-20 years. The times I saw Davis Webb play QB he was always in reverse... moving away from the line of scrimmage. He never learned to climb the pocket but it looks like he's climbing the coaching ladder. On 2/23/2023 at 3:33 PM, Success said: Sorry - drinking too early. I was thinking of Joe Webb. Colts game a few years ago. On 2/23/2023 at 3:42 PM, K-9 said: No worries. Confusing Webbs is easy enough to do while sober. Little-known fact... Davis Webb is the brother of touring pro Ty Webb. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted September 4, 2023 Share Posted September 4, 2023 11 hours ago, BuffaloBillyG said: I know you didn't ask me, but I thought it was an interesting question so I looked it up. Bills-Joe Brady- WR Patriots -BOB-Linebacker Browns-Ashton Grant - WR Steelers-Mike Sullivan -DB Titans-Charles London-RB Cardinals -Israel Woolfork-WR There were 2 more teams that didn't officially have a QB coach (both have former QBs as OC, so double duty is likely there) The results in AZ, NE, Cleveland speak for themselves. I'm not sure what a non QB could offer top 5 franchise QB or a rookie/soph QB. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Otreply Posted September 4, 2023 Share Posted September 4, 2023 20 hours ago, Beck Water said: I'm guessing here, but I'd bet a beer that it's No Such Thing. Isn't Wilson the one who has his own entourage - mental coach, mechanics coach, massage therapist, trainer - and insisted on bringing them into the building? My guess is that the reason the Broncos went for someone relatively inexperienced is to get someone who won't butt heads with those guys or with Wilson, but who will be high-energy about helping Wilson with anything he wants to do, chopping film up however Wilson wants it chopped, and super tactful with anything he points out instead of lacing it with ego. Webb would probably fit the needs of that package (see what I did there? and yeah I know it was Joe) Iirc, the new HC said something to the effect that all that entourage stuff / private office at the facility isn’t happening while he is HC, how true that turns out to be…, 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thenorthremembers Posted September 4, 2023 Share Posted September 4, 2023 4 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: The results in AZ, NE, Cleveland speak for themselves. I'm not sure what a non QB could offer top 5 franchise QB or a rookie/soph QB. Kind if a myopic take. First and foremost the sample size you have here is small. Belichick I believe was a long snapper and ended up being one of the best defensive minds ever. Position doesn't always correlate to interest, its predetermined by size and athletic ability. Not to mention a coach who may be completely wrong in his assessment of where you should play. Just because you played linebacker in high school and college doesn't mean your interest wasn't on the offensive side of the ball. Wideouts and DBs, at least in my mind can help a young qb because they can reverse engineer the position. I think you're grossly underestimating a NFL level coach's knowledge of every aspect of the game, based on a few outcomes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted September 4, 2023 Share Posted September 4, 2023 Just now, thenorthremembers said: Kind if a myopic take. First and foremost the sample size you have here is small. Belichick I believe was a long snapper and ended up being one of the best defensive minds ever. Position doesn't always correlate to interest, its predetermined by size and athletic ability. Not to mention a coach who may be completely wrong in his assessment of where you should play. Just because you played linebacker in high school and college doesn't mean your interest wasn't on the offensive side of the ball. Wideouts and DBs, at least in my mind can help a young qb because they can reverse engineer the position. I think you're grossly underestimating a NFL level coach's knowledge of every aspect of the game, based on a few outcomes. I have been very specific that i only considered the QB position. Young QB needs to learn the sped of the game, read defenses and, maybe most of all these days for guys coming out in dya 1 or 2 rounds with less starting in college, their mechanics. Don't see how a long snapper, LB or WR can deliver that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thenorthremembers Posted September 4, 2023 Share Posted September 4, 2023 (edited) 10 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: I have been very specific that i only considered the QB position. Young QB needs to learn the sped of the game, read defenses and, maybe most of all these days for guys coming out in dya 1 or 2 rounds with less starting in college, their mechanics. Don't see how a long snapper, LB or WR can deliver that. You don't think a linebacker can tell you how to read a defense? You don't think a WR can tell a rookie QB where to find holes in a zone or auto adjust the depth of a route based on coverages? Like I said before these guys that become coaches aren't simply limited to what position they played football. I can't stand Belichick, I think his superbowl success was largely based on having Brady. But outside of being a Longsnapper the guy probably knows more about the history of the X's and O's of football than most anyone on Earth. Edited September 4, 2023 by thenorthremembers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillyG Posted September 4, 2023 Share Posted September 4, 2023 24 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: The results in AZ, NE, Cleveland speak for themselves. I'm not sure what a non QB could offer top 5 franchise QB or a rookie/soph QB. In fairness, the QB coaches in Arizona and NE are in their first year this season with the team in that capacity. The Browns Grant took over last year and while Watson looked like a pile of dung, let's not forget Jacoby Brissett actually looked like a suitable QB under Grant's coaching last year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beck Water Posted September 4, 2023 Share Posted September 4, 2023 49 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: The results in AZ, NE, Cleveland speak for themselves. I'm not sure what a non QB could offer top 5 franchise QB or a rookie/soph QB. Um...you don't yet know what the results in NE under Bill O'Brien as QB coach will be, right? The Patriots haven't yet played a game with O'Brien as OC and Mac as QB. ( @BuffaloBillyGOBrien is a dual role, as well, OC and QB coach) So are we wondering what Joe Brady offers Josh Allen as a non-QB coaching a top 5 franchise QB? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillyG Posted September 4, 2023 Share Posted September 4, 2023 13 minutes ago, Beck Water said: Um...you don't yet know what the results in NE under Bill O'Brien as QB coach will be, right? The Patriots haven't yet played a game with O'Brien as OC and Mac as QB. ( @BuffaloBillyGOBrien is a dual role, as well, OC and QB coach) So are we wondering what Joe Brady offers Josh Allen as a non-QB coaching a top 5 franchise QB? Yes, a duels role for sure. And a likely step up from Joe Judge last season🤣🤣 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sierra Foothills Posted September 4, 2023 Share Posted September 4, 2023 12 hours ago, BuffaloBillyG said: I know you didn't ask me, but I thought it was an interesting question so I looked it up. Bills-Joe Brady- WR Patriots -BOB-Linebacker Browns-Ashton Grant - WR Steelers-Mike Sullivan -DB Titans-Charles London-RB Cardinals -Israel Woolfork-WR There were 2 more teams that didn't officially have a QB coach (both have former QBs as OC, so double duty is likely there) Kudos to you looking up no QB playing QB coaches. That had to have taken a bit of time. Interestingly (at least to me), the two people considered the most brilliant offensive minds in the NFL, Andy Reid and Kyle Shanahan didn't play QB either. Reid was an O-lineman and Shanahan was a wide receiver. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted September 4, 2023 Share Posted September 4, 2023 1 hour ago, thenorthremembers said: You don't think a linebacker can tell you how to read a defense? You don't think a WR can tell a rookie QB where to find holes in a zone or auto adjust the depth of a route based on coverages? Like I said before these guys that become coaches aren't simply limited to what position they played football. I can't stand Belichick, I think his superbowl success was largely based on having Brady. But outside of being a Longsnapper the guy probably knows more about the history of the X's and O's of football than most anyone on Earth. I'm sure they can. But there's a lot more a young QB needs to learn in the NFL. That's different from any other position. Brady was key to NE's success, but BB created NFL Brady to a large degree. And he won 6 rings surrounding him with a lot of guys he throw away and replace. Under how many HC's would Brady have become the GOAT? 56 minutes ago, Beck Water said: Um...you don't yet know what the results in NE under Bill O'Brien as QB coach will be, right? The Patriots haven't yet played a game with O'Brien as OC and Mac as QB. ( @BuffaloBillyGOBrien is a dual role, as well, OC and QB coach) So are we wondering what Joe Brady offers Josh Allen as a non-QB coaching a top 5 franchise QB? I can't comment on the future of O'Brien/Mac. Wasn't my point. Sure it might work out. Or it could just be O'Brien assuming he can do it all. We know how that has worked out... I'm sure Brady helps Josh with certain things. Intrinsically, I'm not sure how he helps him with the nuts and bolts of the mechanics of throwing, moving around and out of the pocket, etc. Not sure if he even needs to at this point. Josh is a 5th year vet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChans Posted September 4, 2023 Share Posted September 4, 2023 9 hours ago, AuntieEm said: Yea a beaten up Peyton. Not any serious threat to his franchise records. Peyton set the season TD record in Denver. 1 hour ago, Mr. WEO said: I'm sure they can. But there's a lot more a young QB needs to learn in the NFL. That's different from any other position. Brady was key to NE's success, but BB created NFL Brady to a large degree. And he won 6 rings surrounding him with a lot of guys he throw away and replace. Under how many HC's would Brady have become the GOAT? I can't comment on the future of O'Brien/Mac. Wasn't my point. Sure it might work out. Or it could just be O'Brien assuming he can do it all. We know how that has worked out... I'm sure Brady helps Josh with certain things. Intrinsically, I'm not sure how he helps him with the nuts and bolts of the mechanics of throwing, moving around and out of the pocket, etc. Not sure if he even needs to at this point. Josh is a 5th year vet. More than one, and I say that with tremendous respect for BB and that he’s the GOAT coach. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted September 4, 2023 Share Posted September 4, 2023 2 hours ago, FireChans said: Peyton set the season TD record in Denver. More than one, and I say that with tremendous respect for BB and that he’s the GOAT coach. More than 1 HC could or has taken a 6th round QB to 9 SBs and 6 SB wins? Look how many have been hired and fired over that 20 year period. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChans Posted September 4, 2023 Share Posted September 4, 2023 25 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: More than 1 HC could or has taken a 6th round QB to 9 SBs and 6 SB wins? Look how many have been hired and fired over that 20 year period. I don’t know if anyone has the exact same success as BB/Brady but I do think other NFL coaches could’ve been in charge long enough for him to be the GOAT. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AuntieEm Posted September 4, 2023 Share Posted September 4, 2023 2 hours ago, FireChans said: Peyton set the season TD record in Denver. More than one, and I say that with tremendous respect for BB and that he’s the GOAT coach. Maybe true once Brady was a vet and had a couple rings thanks to learning g under BB. Both Bb and Brady were not afraid to test the limits of what the league allowed them to get away with and the league did cater a bit to the young star amid s bleak empty wasteland of other qb pick failures of all types. Josh Allen would be getting that same favoritism if not for the recent success of other young qbs picking up the slack of injecting more capable qb play that was in short supply just a handful of years ago. As mahomes then Allen, Even Geno Smith finding his old college proficiency looks better in Seattle under a competent offensive coach. Had the Jets had the right coaches when they drafted Gene he could of made noise earlier and challenged Brady. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted September 4, 2023 Share Posted September 4, 2023 1 minute ago, AuntieEm said: Had the Jets had the right coaches when they drafted Gene he could of made noise earlier and challenged Brady. JEST could not challenge Cheats without the equivalent of an Ernie Adams. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AuntieEm Posted September 4, 2023 Share Posted September 4, 2023 8 minutes ago, FireChans said: I don’t know if anyone has the exact same success as BB/Brady but I do think other NFL coaches could’ve been in charge long enough for him to be the GOAT. A few indeed come to mind for me as well... Pete Carroll, Andy Reid, I'd even have expected some good play with Chan Gailey and Brady. Just those coaches just knew how to maximize a qb strengths. Just not sure how much the league would have let slide in another franchise. Reid with Brady in Philly I think wins s sb there easily over having McNabb. And iliked McNabb just for whatever reason he just didn't generate the buzz Brady did. 3 minutes ago, Limeaid said: JEST could not challenge Cheats without the equivalent of an Ernie Adams. I disagree replace Rex and mark Sanchez with say a Pete Carroll or Andy Reid and there be some changes in the afce history since Brady came in league. And Brady/Jets be up against Bb and who at qb? A Mac Jones clone? Matg cassel? Neither one screamed bb is such a genius he created a GOAT Qb from those guys. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted September 4, 2023 Share Posted September 4, 2023 14 minutes ago, AuntieEm said: I disagree replace Rex and mark Sanchez with say a Pete Carroll or Andy Reid and there be some changes in the afce history since Brady came in league. And Brady/Jets be up against Bb and who at qb? A Mac Jones clone? Matg cassel? Neither one screamed bb is such a genius he created a GOAT Qb from those guys. Cheats won many of those games by cheating which means JEST would need someone equivalent to counter the cheating and do their own. All the Cheats wins should has asterisks after them. At least baseball threw the cheaters out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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