SWATeam Posted August 16, 2023 Share Posted August 16, 2023 34 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said: In fairness, George did the same thing in the 80's. After basically buying two pitching staffs worth of hurlers and every good hitter he could get his hands on to keep his championship teams stocked in the mid-late 70's.......and proving that model wins.....George got down with the other owners and colluded against free agents in the 80's. George agreed not to bid on certain players.......most egregiously Jack Morris........which made it more than obvious from a civil perspective that the owners were working together to keep salaries down because the Yanks were pitching starved. Much like Hal in recent years that turned out to be George's Verlander/Harper/Freeman/Seager type WTF-why-didn't-they-get-that-perfect-fit-guy? moment. Comes down to this........greed expands. When George was pulling in south of $300M in revenues and had a $200M+ payroll in the early 2000's he was probably pretty pleased with himself about how much he was raking in relative to his expenses while not sacrificing the product on the field. Now Hal is pulling closer to $1B in annual revenues on a $290M payroll. The profits were once a fraction of the payroll........now it's the other way around. If you wonder why there is a "Yankees tax" when it comes to trades it's because a lot of owners resent very much that the Yanks aren't sharing more of that revenue. They set up these luxury tax thresholds in lieu of a hard cap to get access to Yankee money and Hal has since tried to juggle winning while not sharing their outrageous profits instead of doing what the league expected..........for them to pridefully keep spending to evade parity. But Hal has no shame at this point and pocketing billions of dollars organizationally over the last decade is why. Their profit expectations have changed. What's amazing is the lengths that they've gone at times to avoid paying just a few million in luxury tax. It has just made no sense from a competitive standpoint. It's almost spiteful. Axisa's column touches on that a bit but is even a bit understated, IMO. LOL, you're "well run" Yankees have the second highest payroll in the league. It is not lack of spending that is holding them back. Hilarious to contrast your "criticisms" of the build of the Yankees vs. that of the Bills. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted August 16, 2023 Author Share Posted August 16, 2023 5 hours ago, May Day 10 said: well, they did sign Aaron Judge to a $360,000,000 contract, and they are paying that Human Gourd Gioncarlo Stanton $32 Million/Year (and his contract goes through most of this decade). $80 Million in this year's payroll is sitting on IR. ($21 Million to Josh Donaldson?) Their payroll is still very high. Just not Mets-ludicrous. The money is just allocated poorly and they seem behind the times. Especially, much like the AFC East, the traditional doormats seem to have gotten their houses in order. Yes......."(we) did sign Aaron Judge to a $360,000,000 contract" is exactly what Hal wants fans to focus on. Forget the fact that they used to spend 2/3 of their revenue on talent every year and not bat an eye..........but now they spend 1/3 or less of their revenue on talent and are sure to remind us just how much they spend relative to the rest of the league(like that matters when most of those other teams have a fraction of their revenue). One of my favorites was the company line that no other MLB team lost as much revenue during covid as the Yankees. Well no *****........your revenue dwarfs that of teams like Pittsburgh or Cinci to start with. That's like a guy making $250K per year saying he lost more money by a work stoppage than a guy who was making $40K at the same company. And btw........what's lost in the Judge deal is that they were somehow not even the highest bidder! They got a hometown discount from Judge or they were even letting him walk. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted August 16, 2023 Author Share Posted August 16, 2023 7 hours ago, SWATeam said: LOL, you're "well run" Yankees have the second highest payroll in the league. It is not lack of spending that is holding them back. Hilarious to contrast your "criticisms" of the build of the Yankees vs. that of the Bills. I've never called the Yankees "well run" anywhere on TSW ever. I mean, obviously. Man you are a gullible idiot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SWATeam Posted August 16, 2023 Share Posted August 16, 2023 1 hour ago, BADOLBILZ said: I've never called the Yankees "well run" anywhere on TSW ever. I mean, obviously. Man you are a gullible idiot. LOL, whatever. I just find it amusing Beane’s biggest critic is a John from Hemet level Yankees fanboy. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4merper4mer Posted August 17, 2023 Share Posted August 17, 2023 10 hours ago, BADOLBILZ said: Yes their current streak of 30 straight winning seasons in the second longest among the 4 major US sports(baseball, football, basketball, hockey)............second only to their own streak from the 1920's to 1960's. They really should just bring up some young players and put guys like Stanton and LeMahieu on the 60 day IL to open up at bats....... because 6.5 games out of the WC is a lot this late and with their starting pitching now in shambles they don't have a legitimate shot to make that up. But I suspect Hal will want them to try to keep up the streak of winning seasons at the expense of development. Because he and Cashman have been poo-pooing the criticism of their team building pretty consistently until recently and salvaging a 82-80 season would save them a ton of embarrassement. Them they could save some face and point at teams like the Mets, Padres and Cardinals and say AT LEAST they didn't finish like those high expectation/losing results sh!t shows. Bring up what young players? Their system is shot. Give Peraza and Cabrera more time? Sure. Cardinals? Shirley you can’t be serious. They have disappointed sure but they look like the have a clue. They will be back. The Mets already did what you say the Yankees should do. They beat you to the punch. The Yanks traded for Middleton and that was it. OMG! Padres? Ok there is a case. Add the Angels to that mix unless they somehow manage to keep Ohtani, but the Yankees are easily the most inept big money team in the league. The Padres have a decent pipeline and the Angels have Trout and a few young guys. In the off-season the Yankees either need to spend gigantic money and get it right or tear it down. IMO they should trade Cole for a ton of prospects if they find a buyer. Not sure who is buying, but Cole is legit. Judge needs to stay but I do feel bad for him. Maybe getting Montas and Donaldson back will……..never mind I can’t even joke about it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted August 17, 2023 Author Share Posted August 17, 2023 20 minutes ago, SWATeam said: LOL, whatever. I just find it amusing Beane’s biggest critic is a John from Hemet level Yankees fanboy. You haven't read any fan-boy level praise from me..........you got suckered by renowned fake-ass troll account @4merper4mer and now you are really leaning into your idiocy. The thread is full of warranted criticism of players and Hal and Cashman for what they've done to an organization that has no business not winning 95-100 games every year and winning WS on the regular. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SWATeam Posted August 17, 2023 Share Posted August 17, 2023 14 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said: You haven't read any fan-boy level praise from me..........you got suckered by renowned fake-ass troll account @4merper4mer and now you are really leaning into your idiocy. The thread is full of warranted criticism of players and Hal and Cashman for what they've done to an organization that has no business not winning 95-100 games every year and winning WS on the regular. Lol, ok, tell us all again about their streak of winning seasons!!!! 😂 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4merper4mer Posted August 17, 2023 Share Posted August 17, 2023 (edited) 23 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said: You haven't read any fan-boy level praise from me..........you got suckered by renowned fake-ass troll account @4merper4mer and now you are really leaning into your idiocy. The thread is full of warranted criticism of players and Hal and Cashman for what they've done to an organization that has no business not winning 95-100 games every year and winning WS on the regular. The first three posts on page 3 of this thread beg to differ. Yes you’ve criticized the Yankees some, but comparing their current build to the Cardinals as things project into the near and mid term future is a joke. Forget the Cards, look at Baltimore, Tampa, Toronto and Boston. Two of them spend, two don’t. All four have good farm systems and/or multiple recent call ups to build around. Who exactly are the Yanks building around that will still be prime when they’re ready? I’m old enough to remember when they brought up a legitimate core that lasted a decade. Jeter, Mariano, Pettitte, Posada and more. Where is any semblance of that now? Your relentless bashing of the Bills looks nothing like your rosy assessment of the Yankees. One of the early posts is about some rando who hit a long HR but worried that the Yanks had no room at first or third to put him. Edited August 17, 2023 by 4merper4mer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted August 17, 2023 Share Posted August 17, 2023 20 hours ago, May Day 10 said: well, they did sign Aaron Judge to a $360,000,000 contract, and they are paying that Human Gourd Gioncarlo Stanton $32 Million/Year (and his contract goes through most of this decade). $80 Million in this year's payroll is sitting on IR. ($21 Million to Josh Donaldson?) Their payroll is still very high. Just not Mets-ludicrous. The money is just allocated poorly and they seem behind the times. Especially, much like the AFC East, the traditional doormats seem to have gotten their houses in order. Fun fact: If you were to add the Orioles’ entire payroll to the Yankees’ payroll, the Yankees would STILL be #2 in the league to the Mets. The top 3 payrolls, NYM, NYY, SD - will likely all miss the playoffs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Another Fan Posted August 17, 2023 Share Posted August 17, 2023 It isn’t a coincidence the Yanks haven’t won or been to a World Series since George died. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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4merper4mer Posted August 19, 2023 Share Posted August 19, 2023 15 hours ago, Gregg said: Update: Stanton swung at that and missed. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted August 19, 2023 Author Share Posted August 19, 2023 On 8/16/2023 at 8:27 PM, SWATeam said: Lol, ok, tell us all again about their streak of winning seasons!!!! 😂 1926-1964 (39 seasons) 1993-2022 (30 seasons) No other MLB franchise has had more than 18(1968-1985 Orioles) and you'll be taking a dirt nap LONG before any mlb team could challenge either so I'm sorry if it bothers........but you'll have to take it to your grave. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4merper4mer Posted August 19, 2023 Share Posted August 19, 2023 12 hours ago, BADOLBILZ said: 1926-1964 (39 seasons) 1993-2022 (30 seasons) No other MLB franchise has had more than 18(1968-1985 Orioles) and you'll be taking a dirt nap LONG before any mlb team could challenge either so I'm sorry if it bothers........but you'll have to take it to your grave. Curt Flood called and mentioned your initial entry is about as meaningful as a recipe for bean dip. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted August 19, 2023 Share Posted August 19, 2023 15 hours ago, BADOLBILZ said: 1926-1964 (39 seasons) 1993-2022 (30 seasons) No other MLB franchise has had more than 18(1968-1985 Orioles) and you'll be taking a dirt nap LONG before any mlb team could challenge either so I'm sorry if it bothers........but you'll have to take it to your grave. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4merper4mer Posted August 20, 2023 Share Posted August 20, 2023 (edited) He’s Italian. Why would they need to play Peraza at short when Volpe throws spicy meatballs like this to first? They topped it though by batting a guy who is literally hitting .098 with two on and two out down one in the 9th. Well run organization!!!!!!!!!! Edited August 20, 2023 by 4merper4mer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted August 24, 2023 Author Share Posted August 24, 2023 (edited) Aaron Judge hits 3 HR as Yanks end streak https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/38248021/aaron-judge-first-3-homer-game-helps-yankees-avoid-worst-losing-streak-1913 https://www.mlb.com/news/aaron-judge-has-first-career-three-homer-game Edited August 24, 2023 by BADOLBILZ 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted August 24, 2023 Author Share Posted August 24, 2023 (edited) With the competitive part of the season over here is a nice look at a tremendous group of Yankees prospects in rookie ball this year: https://www.pinstripealley.com/2023/8/23/23840991/yankees-prospects-minors-rookie-league-fcl-lombard-delgado-arias-tejeda-montero-serna-cruz-lalane Also Baseball America ranks 7 Yankees prospects in their most recent update of top 100 prospects: https://elitesportsny.com/2023/08/11/these-7-yankees-prospects-made-baseball-america-top-100/ Overall pretty good season for the Yankees farm system. A lot of lefty and/or switch hitters close to the majors.......the lack of which is by far their biggest weakness. The Yankees have beaten up left handed starting pitching(were 14-4 last I checked) but most teams just avoid using LHP against them knowing that their only real lefty bats are Quad-A players like Bauers and McKinnie. Not a coincidence that they broke their losing streak against a LHP. Edited August 25, 2023 by BADOLBILZ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill from NYC Posted August 24, 2023 Share Posted August 24, 2023 10 hours ago, BADOLBILZ said: Aaron Judge hits 3 HR as Yanks end streak https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/38248021/aaron-judge-first-3-homer-game-helps-yankees-avoid-worst-losing-streak-1913 https://www.mlb.com/news/aaron-judge-has-first-career-three-homer-game That man is STRONG! It appeared to me that he even got slightly under that ball and still hit it a mile. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gregg Posted August 24, 2023 Share Posted August 24, 2023 I didn't see a Mets thread so I will put this here. Daryl and Doc will have their numbers retired by the Mets next season. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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