Gene Frenkle Posted February 11, 2023 Share Posted February 11, 2023 14 hours ago, Big Blitz said: I bet you still think it was about flattening curves. Good little sheep sheep sheep. I'll bet you're happy you're protected and you didn't even have to get that scary shot! It's okay, kitty, we got you boo! 14 hours ago, JDHillFan said: I see you are a big science guy (seems counterintuitive based on your posts, but whatever). I once asked one of your like minded board members a covid science question but he didn’t answer. The question dealt with the Sabres playing in an empty arena in Canada on the same day the Rams won the Super Bowl before 80k people. I was just curious which science he believed in. Canadian science or California science. Both places were impacted by covid. https://www.cnn.com/2022/11/22/health/vaccine-effectiveness-bivalent-boosters-cdc/index.html Your bravery in protecting the herd with extra boosting is noted. Based on some reading, including from this well-known conservative outlet, continued boosting might actually fly in the face of science. Carry on, progressive hero. While you continue to benefit from those who were braver than you. Glad it worked out for you. The world is a frightening place sometimes! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDHillFan Posted February 11, 2023 Share Posted February 11, 2023 (edited) 14 minutes ago, Gene Frenkle said: I'll bet you're happy you're protected and you didn't even have to get that scary shot! It's okay, kitty, we got you boo! While you continue to benefit from those who were braver than you. Glad it worked out for you. The world is a frightening place sometimes! Like you, I am a man of science. When the numbers looked good out of Israel, I took the shot of my own free will, not because I was told to or so that I could prove my bravery (thanks again for your heroism). Once the numbers turned to sh*t and it was clear the miracle vax was less than miraculous, I combined my love of science with common sense and decided not to bother. You instead appear to prefer lining up behind the Walensky’s, Maddow’s and Stelter’s of the world. Now that’s brave!! Carry on vaccine warrior! Somebody has to do what they are told. Edited February 11, 2023 by JDHillFan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffarukus Posted February 11, 2023 Share Posted February 11, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, Gene Frenkle said: While you continue to benefit from those who were braver than you. Glad it worked out for you. The world is a frightening place sometimes! you guys are changing the definition of bravery now too? your bravery to hide for years has made the inflation of new dictionaries unattainable. please slow down. if it weren't for people going out and facing "certain death" you would still be bravely spraying lysol on your mail and calling the cops on kids who are illegally getting exercise in the park you padlocked. officer!! i know i just called but im now positive they are unmasked!! i see SMILES in my binoculars!! please hurry!! brave... lol 🤣🤣 Edited February 11, 2023 by Buffarukus 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiGoose Posted February 11, 2023 Share Posted February 11, 2023 1 hour ago, JDHillFan said: Like you, I am a man of science. When the numbers looked good out of Israel, I took the shot of my own free will, not because I was told to or so that I could prove my bravery (thanks again for your heroism). Once the numbers turned to sh*t and it was clear the miracle vax was less than miraculous, I combined my love of science with common sense and decided not to bother. You instead appear to prefer lining up behind the Walensky’s, Maddow’s and Stelter’s of the world. Now that’s brave!! Carry on vaccine warrior! Somebody has to do what they are told. Comparing the COVID-19 Vaccines: How Are They Different? “In January, the New England Journal of Medicine (NEJM) published a study based on people 12 and older included in North Carolina’s state vaccine registry data. The study found the bivalent vaccine to be 58.7% effective against hospitalization compared to 25% for the monovalent one that preceded it; its effectiveness against infection was 61.8% compared to 24.9% for the monovalent. Scientists noted that this study covered a period when Omicron subvariants BQ.1 and BQ.1.1. were also circulating, which suggests the updated vaccine is more effective against those strains in addition to the ones it was designed to target.” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDHillFan Posted February 11, 2023 Share Posted February 11, 2023 1 minute ago, ChiGoose said: Comparing the COVID-19 Vaccines: How Are They Different? “In January, the New England Journal of Medicine (NEJM) published a study based on people 12 and older included in North Carolina’s state vaccine registry data. The study found the bivalent vaccine to be 58.7% effective against hospitalization compared to 25% for the monovalent one that preceded it; its effectiveness against infection was 61.8% compared to 24.9% for the monovalent. Scientists noted that this study covered a period when Omicron subvariants BQ.1 and BQ.1.1. were also circulating, which suggests the updated vaccine is more effective against those strains in addition to the ones it was designed to target.” The bottom line is that they neither prevent infection nor spread of infection. Nobody is saving the herd through repeated boosting no matter how brave that is. Those that fear hospitalization or worse should do what’s best for themselves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiGoose Posted February 11, 2023 Share Posted February 11, 2023 3 minutes ago, JDHillFan said: The bottom line is that they neither prevent infection nor spread of infection. Nobody is saving the herd through repeated boosting no matter how brave that is. Those that fear hospitalization or worse should do what’s best for themselves. COVID vaccines slash risk of spreading Omicron — and so does previous infection “The team found that among individuals with COVID-19, those who received at least one vaccine shot were 24% less likely to infect close contacts— in this case cellmates — compared with unvaccinated prisoners. People who had been infected before were 21% less likely to infect others compared with prisoners with no previous infection, and those who had been both vaccinated and previously infected were 41% less likely to pass on the virus compared with unvaccinated individuals without a previous infection. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDHillFan Posted February 11, 2023 Share Posted February 11, 2023 3 minutes ago, ChiGoose said: COVID vaccines slash risk of spreading Omicron — and so does previous infection “The team found that among individuals with COVID-19, those who received at least one vaccine shot were 24% less likely to infect close contacts— in this case cellmates — compared with unvaccinated prisoners. People who had been infected before were 21% less likely to infect others compared with prisoners with no previous infection, and those who had been both vaccinated and previously infected were 41% less likely to pass on the virus compared with unvaccinated individuals without a previous infection. The sub-headline from that article: But the benefit of vaccines in reducing Omicron transmission doesn’t last for long. The vaccines do not prevent covid infection nor the spread of covid. Who is debating that at this stage? Anyone that wants some temporary measure of semi-protection can get it whenever they want. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leh-nerd skin-erd Posted February 11, 2023 Share Posted February 11, 2023 17 hours ago, Gene Frenkle said: The truth is that we won't know all the side effects until years down the line. It was never about that. This was always our best shot at getting back to normal. Some people bravely took a chance for the greater good and some put on their tinfoil hats a acted like a bunch of whiney, paranoid kitties. Weak! The sad thing is that all the anti-vaxer pricks benefit from herd immunity anyway. But the unvaxxed death rate is much higher if Covid finds a way past the tinfoil. Be careful out there! No, not really. What happened was people navigated the very complicated landscape of a politicized pandemic, and largely vaccinated because they thought it made sense for them and their families. Interestingly, though, there was a rather noticeable shift from “VAX VAX BOOST BOOST” to reporting suggesting something like 60% of Americans got at least one vaccine shot. That’s a completely different narrative than what you’re proposing here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiGoose Posted February 11, 2023 Share Posted February 11, 2023 7 minutes ago, JDHillFan said: The sub-headline from that article: But the benefit of vaccines in reducing Omicron transmission doesn’t last for long. The vaccines do not prevent covid infection nor the spread of covid. Who is debating that at this stage? Anyone that wants some temporary measure of semi-protection can get it whenever they want. Vaccines reducing transmission but their effectiveness fading over time =\= vaccines don’t reduce transmission. At the start, the hope had been that the vaccines would eradicate COVID. That didn’t happen. Instead, they are very good at preventing bad outcomes when you catch COVID and can reduce the transmission for a while. The logical response to this would be that we should look at COVID vaccines the way we look at flu shots: something we get every year or so to protect ourselves and those around us. Instead, people are somehow arriving at the conclusion that getting a vaccine is pointless or even bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted February 11, 2023 Share Posted February 11, 2023 1 minute ago, ChiGoose said: Vaccines reducing transmission but their effectiveness fading over time =\= vaccines don’t reduce transmission. At the start, the hope had been that the vaccines would eradicate COVID. That didn’t happen. Instead, they are very good at preventing bad outcomes when you catch COVID and can reduce the transmission for a while. The logical response to this would be that we should look at COVID vaccines the way we look at flu shots: something we get every year or so to protect ourselves and those around us. Instead, people are somehow arriving at the conclusion that getting a vaccine is pointless or even bad. I believe you’re drawing the wrong conclusion, and as it turns out it was the wrong approach from the very start. People who are AT RISK should consider getting regular shots. I don’t blame people and professionals from going overboard back in 2020 but we’re way, way, way passed that in 2023. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDHillFan Posted February 11, 2023 Share Posted February 11, 2023 (edited) 7 minutes ago, ChiGoose said: Vaccines reducing transmission but their effectiveness fading over time =\= vaccines don’t reduce transmission. At the start, the hope had been that the vaccines would eradicate COVID. That didn’t happen. Instead, they are very good at preventing bad outcomes when you catch COVID and can reduce the transmission for a while. The logical response to this would be that we should look at COVID vaccines the way we look at flu shots: something we get every year or so to protect ourselves and those around us. Instead, people are somehow arriving at the conclusion that getting a vaccine is pointless or even bad. What makes you believe everyone gets a flu shot? Because you do? You are clearly in the camp that there is no way that mRNA shots will have zero consequences a little while down the road. I am not. There’s not enough….science…to know. If I am wrong about that, please let me know what the future looks like. https://www.statista.com/statistics/861176/flu-vaccine-coverage-by-age-us/ Do we get it? Many do, many don’t. Edited February 11, 2023 by JDHillFan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiGoose Posted February 11, 2023 Share Posted February 11, 2023 2 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said: I believe you’re drawing the wrong conclusion, and as it turns out it was the wrong approach from the very start. People who are AT RISK should consider getting regular shots. I don’t blame people and professionals from going overboard back in 2020 but we’re way, way, way passed that in 2023. Nah, everyone should consider getting regular shots. For one, not everyone knows if they have an underlying condition that puts them at risk. You might find out the hard way. Additionally, even though the reduction in transmission abates over time, getting the vaccine at a time like winter (when transmission rates are up) will reduce the chance you pass COVID to someone you care about who may have an underlying condition. Bottom line is: if you’re not sure what to do, talk to your doctor instead of the internet. 4 minutes ago, JDHillFan said: What makes you believe everyone gets a flu shot? Because you do? I don’t believe everyone gets one, but I believe everyone should. I’m not in a risk group for the flu but I get my shot every year because people close to me are. And also, I’d rather not be sick with the flu for a week even if it’s not lethal to me. Quote You are clearly in the camp that there is no way that mRNA shots will have zero consequences a little while down the road. I am not. There’s not enough….science…to know. If I am wrong about that, please let me know what the future looks like. (citation needed) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDHillFan Posted February 11, 2023 Share Posted February 11, 2023 7 minutes ago, ChiGoose said: citation needed) Apologies. I surmised. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiGoose Posted February 11, 2023 Share Posted February 11, 2023 3 minutes ago, JDHillFan said: Apologies. I surmised. I guess, to me, it makes sense to get a shot that greatly reduces the chances of severe outcomes from a virus that’s killed millions of people and somewhat reduce the chances I might pass it to someone else, than do not get it because of vague reasons that lack any scientific backing. But that’s just me, I suppose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted February 11, 2023 Share Posted February 11, 2023 1 minute ago, ChiGoose said: I guess, to me, it makes sense to get a shot that greatly reduces the chances of severe outcomes from a virus that’s killed millions of people and somewhat reduce the chances I might pass it to someone else, than do not get it because of vague reasons that lack any scientific backing. But that’s just me, I suppose. Yep…it’s you. 😉 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leh-nerd skin-erd Posted February 11, 2023 Share Posted February 11, 2023 15 minutes ago, ChiGoose said: Nah, everyone should consider getting regular shots. For one, not everyone knows if they have an underlying condition that puts them at risk. You might find out the hard way. Additionally, even though the reduction in transmission abates over time, getting the vaccine at a time like winter (when transmission rates are up) will reduce the chance you pass COVID to someone you care about who may have an underlying condition. Bottom line is: if you’re not sure what to do, talk to your doctor instead of the internet. I don’t believe everyone gets one, but I believe everyone should. I’m not in a risk group for the flu but I get my shot every year because people close to me are. And also, I’d rather not be sick with the flu for a week even if it’s not lethal to me. (citation needed) The flu blows. Had it about 12 -15 years ago. Everything hurt. My teeth, the skin on the soles of my feet. Laid up for the better part of 10 days, unusual as I had a stretch of work where I didn’t need a sick day for about 15 years. I usually get the shot every year but lost track of it this year. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OrangeBills Posted February 11, 2023 Share Posted February 11, 2023 2 hours ago, Gene Frenkle said: I'll bet you're happy you're protected and you didn't even have to get that scary shot! It's okay, kitty, we got you boo! While you continue to benefit from those who were braver than you. Glad it worked out for you. The world is a frightening place sometimes! Parody account? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiGoose Posted February 11, 2023 Share Posted February 11, 2023 Just now, leh-nerd skin-erd said: The flu blows. Had it about 12 -15 years ago. Everything hurt. My teeth, the skin on the soles of my feet. Laid up for the better part of 10 days, unusual as I had a stretch of work where I didn’t need a sick day for about 15 years. I usually get the shot every year but lost track of it this year. At my old job, there were over 6,000 people in our office so we had a health clinic on site. Once a year, the clinic would do rounds, setting up shop in each department for an hour to give out flu shots. It was great. When I had five minutes, I could walk over to the conference room and get a free flu shot. Now I need to go to a pharmacy, so I have to make a bit of extra effort, but it’s worth it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDHillFan Posted February 11, 2023 Share Posted February 11, 2023 1 minute ago, ChiGoose said: I guess, to me, it makes sense to get a shot that greatly reduces the chances of severe outcomes from a virus that’s killed millions of people and somewhat reduce the chances I might pass it to someone else, than do not get it because of vague reasons that lack any scientific backing. But that’s just me, I suppose. You have also told us you wear a mask in crowded indoor settings. The world has moved on. Not everyone is as risk-averse as you seem to be. You and like-minded people are free to do what you do. Nobody cares. If that makes you a more thoughtful person than the vast majority, well, you’ve got that going for you. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted February 11, 2023 Share Posted February 11, 2023 Aren’t the masks coming off on May 15th? Liberation Day! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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