Covid Protocols 2023

[dickleyjones]

On 8/29/2023 at 2:46 PM, B-Man said:

 

 

 

And some people will write this off to incompetence, human error, or anything else they can to avoid admitting the truth: we (humanity) were had. 
 

Because once they admit that to themselves they’ll have to ask the next question: why? And the answer to that is reality shattering and most people would rather continue to live in the lie and pretend it’s just same-old-same-old, than face the hard truth.

 

 

 

Link to the article.

 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-12453329/amp/Covid-blame-just-1-weekly-deaths-causes.html

debating measures, vaccine mandates, that makes sense.

 

but to call covid a common cold is just wrong and kind of a jerky dismissive move. having almost lost my father to COVID (2 mos icu, 8 mos total hospital stay) i can tell you it is most certainly not a common cold.

 

debate how we deal with COVID, thats fine, but stop lying about what COVID is and can do to the human body.

[Orlando Tim]

57 minutes ago, dickleyjones said:

debating measures, vaccine mandates, that makes sense.

 

but to call covid a common cold is just wrong and kind of a jerky dismissive move. having almost lost my father to COVID (2 mos icu, 8 mos total hospital stay) i can tell you it is most certainly not a common cold.

 

debate how we deal with COVID, thats fine, but stop lying about what COVID is and can do to the human body.

I am glad your father is better and I will state it this way and assume that the comment was meant this way, to 95% of our population COVID is just like getting a cold, to people over 70, or with certain conditions, it is a true danger. My kids have both gotten it multiple times and the worst symptom is a sore throat for one and sniffles for the other, they are not really threatened by it 

[BillsFanNC]

4 minutes ago, Orlando Tim said:

I am glad your father is better and I will state it this way and assume that the comment was meant this way, to 95% of our population COVID is just like getting a cold, to people over 70, or with certain conditions, it is a true danger. My kids have both gotten it multiple times and the worst symptom is a sore throat for one and sniffles for the other, they are not really threatened by it 

 

Yes.

 

I know people who died from covid. One was 85, the other 50 with uncontrolled diabetes. 

 

I don't want to downplay covid and how it can be serious for certain populations, but this is why the Great Barrington Declaration remains most logical public health approach. Focused protection.  Protect the vulnerable and allow the rest of society, while using normal measures of hand washing and staying home if you're sick, to continue life as usual.

 

I won't compare covid to the common cold but it's not unreasonable to compare it to influenza, another respiratory virus with higher mortality rates among the exact same populations.

[B-Man]

 

 

 

 

 

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[BillsFanNC]

Today on CNN, after devastating study citations from the interviewer showing that masks don't work, Fauci responded: "but masks work on an individual level".

 

But this is nonsense. Here's why.

To do science on masks, you have a masked group and an unmasked group. You compare the rate of infection in each group. This is called a randomized trial. This is how science is done.

If the rate of infection is the same, then masks don't work. This was what the studies on masks showed. No difference.

 

Now, there is simply no such thing as scientific studies showing that "masks work at the individual level".

Fauci either doesn't understand how science works or he is lying and making things up.

 

It really is that simple. Fauci is saying gobbledygook in order to keep the idea of masks alive. It's incredibly shameful for Fauci to abuse science in this way. But it's par for the course in the way he has communicated science throughout the entire pandemic.

 

Sad.

 

 

[Orlando Tim]

31 minutes ago, BillsFanNC said:

Today on CNN, after devastating study citations from the interviewer showing that masks don't work, Fauci responded: "but masks work on an individual level".

 

But this is nonsense. Here's why.

To do science on masks, you have a masked group and an unmasked group. You compare the rate of infection in each group. This is called a randomized trial. This is how science is done.

If the rate of infection is the same, then masks don't work. This was what the studies on masks showed. No difference.

 

Now, there is simply no such thing as scientific studies showing that "masks work at the individual level".

Fauci either doesn't understand how science works or he is lying and making things up.

 

It really is that simple. Fauci is saying gobbledygook in order to keep the idea of masks alive. It's incredibly shameful for Fauci to abuse science in this way. But it's par for the course in the way he has communicated science throughout the entire pandemic.

 

Sad.

 

 

He should be much more specific " if you always wear the N95 mask properly every moment you are outside and with another person in your home you will be protected from COVID". His point is everyone is they are the problem because they won't listen to simply mask up from the moment they wake to the moment they sleep.

[All_Pro_Bills]

6 minutes ago, Orlando Tim said:

He should be much more specific " if you always wear the N95 mask properly every moment you are outside and with another person in your home you will be protected from COVID". His point is everyone is they are the problem because they won't listen to simply mask up from the moment they wake to the moment they sleep.

The problem from day one with the COVID mandates and lockdowns was the one-size-fits-all approach.  The masks were one of those things.  Old people and those already having compromised health were at risk.  Others were not.  Instead of focusing resources on protecting those most at risk, like nursing home residents, the elderly in general, and people with a condition like heart disease or obesity, the government obsessed with locking down healthy and young people.  These people should have been left to continue life as normal.

 

Outside of a handful of people still wearing masks driving along in their vehicles, I expect few people are going to be willing to along with this approach again.  For starters, and comically, many officials that imposed these lockdowns with zeal now claim they were against them.  And inflections from the election variant by all accounts results in mild to moderate symptoms.

 

I won't even get into the vaccine mandates.  Although lately, I've seen troubling details revealed about the mRNA technology applied.  We're told mRNA stands for messenger RNA but now I'm seeing it referred to as modified RNA.  Totally different, and potentially dangerous, from my understanding of this type of medical technology.  

 

I guess we now live in a country where most fat, dumb, and happy people are comfortable and content with only one person being called out and charged with lying. 

[BillsFanNC]

And then you have the Quack MD's of today, like our very own useful idiot puking on this board daily, flushing any credibility they ever had and all those years of training by throwing in with the Rachel Maddows of the day.

 

Stunningly daft.

 

 

[Doc]

6 minutes ago, BillsFanNC said:

And then you have the Quack MD's of today, like our very own useful idiot puking on this board daily, flushing any credibility they ever had and all those years of training by throwing in with the Rachel Maddows of the day.

 

Stunningly daft.

 

 

 

Dance monkeys, dance.

[BillsFanNC]

 

[BillsFanNC]

There's a simple solution for healthy people who aren't at risk....99% of college students are in this group.

 

If you feel sick, don't bother getting tested.

 

 

 

[Doc]

2 minutes ago, BillsFanNC said:

There's a simple solution for healthy people who aren't at risk....99% of college students are in this group.

 

If you feel sick, don't bother getting tested.

 

 

 

 

I'd say about 99% of college students do just that.

[BillsFanNC]

10 minutes ago, Doc said:

 

I'd say about 99% of college students do just that.

 

 

I'm not sure it's not that high. Many are woke beyond help and would never break the covidian rules.

 

I still talk to people who have crazy covid work policies like having to use vacation time if they get sick with covid.

 

Don't get tested!

[Doc]

1 minute ago, BillsFanNC said:

I'm not sure it's not that high. Many are woke beyond help and would never break the covidian rules.

 

I still talk to people who have crazy covid work policies like having to use vacation time if they get sick with covid.

 

Don't get tested!

 

It's different when it's an extreme disruption in your life.  Morals and principles are great in theory but when it comes to practicing them when it imposes significant difficulties...

[BillsFanNC]

 

[Joe Ferguson forever]

Some context about the Cochrane review might be useful.  but probably not to you all.

https://www.factcheck.org/2023/03/scicheck-what-the-cochrane-review-says-about-masks-for-covid-19-and-what-it-doesnt/

 

“Buying time until vaccines (or an amazing treatment) could be developed was the purpose of the masks,” she said. “My take is that public health officials in 2020-21 didn’t have a lot of options: without an effective vaccine, yet they couldn’t make people stay at home forever. Masks were a reasonable thing to try.”

Cowling agreed that the main function of masks is to delay infection, and that people should have realistic expectations for them.

“Ultimately even a very careful person will be infected eventually, but masks could delay that or reduce the rate of infection from once per year to once every few years, perhaps,” he said. “Community masking is not aimed to prevent everyone from ever getting infected, the aim is to reduce transmission and ‘flatten the curve’, reducing peak healthcare demand, or to work in combination with other measures like social distancing to contain transmission in the short-term.”

On 9/2/2023 at 9:43 AM, Orlando Tim said:

My kids have both gotten it multiple times and the worst symptom is a sore throat for one and sniffles for the other, they are not really threatened by it 

nothing to worry about

https://www.cnn.com/2023/01/30/health/covid-deaths-children/index.html

Edited September 4, 2023 by Joe Ferguson forever

[Orlando Tim]

58 minutes ago, Joe Ferguson forever said:

Some context about the Cochrane review might be useful.  but probably not to you all.

https://www.factcheck.org/2023/03/scicheck-what-the-cochrane-review-says-about-masks-for-covid-19-and-what-it-doesnt/

 

“Buying time until vaccines (or an amazing treatment) could be developed was the purpose of the masks,” she said. “My take is that public health officials in 2020-21 didn’t have a lot of options: without an effective vaccine, yet they couldn’t make people stay at home forever. Masks were a reasonable thing to try.”

Cowling agreed that the main function of masks is to delay infection, and that people should have realistic expectations for them.

“Ultimately even a very careful person will be infected eventually, but masks could delay that or reduce the rate of infection from once per year to once every few years, perhaps,” he said. “Community masking is not aimed to prevent everyone from ever getting infected, the aim is to reduce transmission and ‘flatten the curve’, reducing peak healthcare demand, or to work in combination with other measures like social distancing to contain transmission in the short-term.”

nothing to worry about

https://www.cnn.com/2023/01/30/health/covid-deaths-children/index.html

You believe CNN over actual CDC numbers. Less than 1700 of the 130000 deaths, or 1.5% is from COVID since 2020. Truly 500 kids a year in the entire country is a shame but your risk analysis tells me you are more interested in finding a way to argue that your decisions in 2021 were smart then in actually learning. 

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid_weekly/index.htm#SexAndAge

[Joe Ferguson forever]

3 minutes ago, Orlando Tim said:

You believe CNN over actual CDC numbers. Less than 1700 of the 130000 deaths, or 1.5% is from COVID since 2020. Truly 500 kids a year in the entire country is a shame but your risk analysis tells me you are more interested in finding a way to argue that your decisions in 2021 were smart then in actually learning. 

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid_weekly/index.htm#SexAndAge

CNN linked this page in the story:  https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#demographics.  Something you rarely see in far right reporting because, you know, it's the truth.

[Orlando Tim]

31 minutes ago, Joe Ferguson forever said:

CNN linked this page in the story:  https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#demographics.  Something you rarely see in far right reporting because, you know, it's the truth.

My son is almost 10x more likely to die in an auto crash then from COVID, and that is just flat numbers not including his lack of any comorbidities, but I can't stop him from living his live and the fact that you would recommend I shut down his life to "protect" him makes you not just ridiculous but immoral.

[Andy1]

2 hours ago, BillsFanNC said:

 

This is a stupid juvenile take on masking. If someone chooses to mask up its none of your damn business. You don’t know what health factors people are dealing with that would cause them to choose to mask. Healthy people may have high risk people in their family or they may just want to try to stay uninflected due to work or family responsibilities.