The Big Lie Has Gripped State Legislatures

[ChiGoose]

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/05/22/us/politics/state-legislators-election-denialhtml.html?referringSource=articleShare&referringSource=articleShare
 

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At least 357 sitting Republican legislators in closely contested battleground states have used the power of their office to discredit or try to overturn the results of the 2020 presidential election, according to a review of legislative votes, records and official statements by The New York Times.

The tally accounts for 44 percent of the Republican legislators in the nine states where the presidential race was most narrowly decided. In each of those states, the election was conducted without any evidence of widespread fraud, leaving election officials from both parties in agreement on the victory of Joseph R. Biden Jr.

There is no evidence of widespread fraud in the 2020 election and those that push the lie that there was are a clear danger to American democracy.

 

The 2016 election was not rigged. The 2020 election was not rigged. 
 

But these people want to make sure they can decide the winner of the 2024 election no matter how the people vote. 

[BillStime]

14 minutes ago, ChiGoose said:

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/05/22/us/politics/state-legislators-election-denialhtml.html?referringSource=articleShare&referringSource=articleShare
 

There is no evidence of widespread fraud in the 2020 election and those that push the lie that there was are a clear danger to American democracy.

 

The 2016 election was not rigged. The 2020 election was not rigged. 
 

But these people want to make sure they can decide the winner of the 2024 election no matter how the people vote. 

 

When you can't win - CHEAT!

[BillsFanNC]

Of course 2020 wasn't rigged!  After all we've been told over and over and over that not only wasn't it rigged but it was in fact THE MOST SECURE ELECTION IN US HISTORY!

 

And Time magazine told us that it wasn't rigged, but "fortified."

 

https://time.com/5936036/secret-2020-election-campaign/

 

 

Despite all the evidence to the contrary.  But yeah. The big lie.

 

You were doing so well in the other thread. Here you've thrown in with @BillStime and @Tiberius. Good luck with that.

 

How do you feel about multiple states changing their 2020 election laws via the courts and executive branches and not their state legislatures? Threat to democracy or nah?

 

The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command.

 

 

[BillStime]

 

1 minute ago, DRsGhost said:

Of course 2020 wasn't rigged!  After all we've been told over and over and over that not only wasn't it rigged but it was in fact THE MOST SECURE ELECTION IN US HISTORY!

 

And Time magazine told us that it wasn't rigged, but "fortified."

 

https://time.com/5936036/secret-2020-election-campaign/

 

 

Despite all the evidence to the contrary.  But yeah. The big lie.

 

You were doing so well in the other thread. Here you've thrown in with @BillStime and @Tiberius. Good luck with that.

 

How do you feel about multiple states changing their 2020 election laws via the courts and executive branches and not their state legislatures? Threat to democracy or nah?

 

The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command.

 

 

 

Wow - no reference to mules? You gonna paid tonight or no?

[ChiGoose]

55 minutes ago, DRsGhost said:

Of course 2020 wasn't rigged!  After all we've been told over and over and over that not only wasn't it rigged but it was in fact THE MOST SECURE ELECTION IN US HISTORY!

 

And Time magazine told us that it wasn't rigged, but "fortified."

 

https://time.com/5936036/secret-2020-election-campaign/

 

 

Despite all the evidence to the contrary.  But yeah. The big lie.

 

You were doing so well in the other thread. Here you've thrown in with @BillStime and @Tiberius. Good luck with that.

 

How do you feel about multiple states changing their 2020 election laws via the courts and executive branches and not their state legislatures? Threat to democracy or nah?

 

The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command.

 

 

 

So you think making it easier for citizens to vote constitutes rigging? Or that trying to have a way to hold an election safely during a once-in-a-lifetime pandemic constitutes rigging? What, specifically, in that TIME article alleges fraud or a crime to change the votes?

 

I'm trying to understand your argument here because "making it so that people can vote easily or safely is cheating" is less than convincing.

 

Votes were not changed. There was not widespread voter fraud. The election was audited time and time again and found to be secure and valid. The majority of Americans who came out to vote wanted to voted for Joe Biden and he won the Electoral College. This is not a debate. If someone is telling you otherwise, I would question their judgement or motives.

 

Trying to influence who people vote for: Not fraud

Making it easier for people to vote: Not fraud

Making it safe for people to vote in a pandemic: Not fraud

Trying to change votes and/or certifications after the ballots have been cast: Fraud

 

Also, let's try to avoid the mudslinging / attacks on posters themselves instead of the argument at hand.

 

 

[Big Blitz]

38 minutes ago, ChiGoose said:

 

So you think making it easier for citizens to vote constitutes rigging? Or that trying to have a way to hold an election safely during a once-in-a-lifetime pandemic constitutes rigging? What, specifically, in that TIME article alleges fraud or a crime to change the votes?

 

 

You just named them.  

 

Rigged elections don't just happen on election day or during the vote you mail every one to during election season.  

 

If that were the case - then why did the Left lose its ***t over Russia in 2016?

 

It's called "Narrative Control."

 

The left didn't have it when everyone could freely post on social media or not be banned for challenging the big lie that there are more then 2 genders...

 

What was the gripe with Russia in 2016?  Ballot stuffing?  Lol lol

 

 

What you charge Russia with (they wanted Hillary they'll happily settle for the West self destructing as a fine consolation prize) its exactly what ACTUALLY HAPPENED IN 2020 courtesy of the Deep State you also think isn't real.   

 

Ask Elon Musk if it's real.  

 

Democrat voters are anti American lunatics that have zero to run on for working families.  NOTHING.  They haven't in a while....but at least they supported liberty.  

 

Now they want to police the internet for misinformation and keep you in a mask afraid of the flu forever.  

 

New Covid-19 variant of concern confirmed in Ireland

 

https://www.rte.ie/news/ireland/2022/0522/1300535-coronavirus-ireland/

 

 

When you're afraid you'll do whatever your government masters say.  

Edited May 23, 2022 by Big Blitz

[Orlando Tim]

36 minutes ago, ChiGoose said:

 

So you think making it easier for citizens to vote constitutes rigging? Or that trying to have a way to hold an election safely during a once-in-a-lifetime pandemic constitutes rigging? What, specifically, in that TIME article alleges fraud or a crime to change the votes?

 

I'm trying to understand your argument here because "making it so that people can vote easily or safely is cheating" is less than convincing.

 

Votes were not changed. There was not widespread voter fraud. The election was audited time and time again and found to be secure and valid. The majority of Americans who came out to vote wanted to voted for Joe Biden and he won the Electoral College. This is not a debate. If someone is telling you otherwise, I would question their judgement or motives.

 

Trying to influence who people vote for: Not fraud

Making it easier for people to vote: Not fraud

Making it safe for people to vote in a pandemic: Not fraud

Trying to change votes and/or certifications after the ballots have been cast: Fraud

 

Also, let's try to avoid the mudslinging / attacks on posters themselves instead of the argument at hand.

 

 

Changing voter laws to ensure only proper ballots are counted is not suppression either. The 2020 election was the least secure election of my lifetime due to the pandemic. The fact that there was lots of shenanigans does not mean it was not the best we could do under the circumstances. We should try to make each election more secure than the previous one. But when you say there is no evidence of widespread fraud, the question is how much is needed for widespread? In many states where ballot harvesting is illegal it happened often, in several states there were ballots sent to everyone registered without ever culling rolls. Making it easy to cheat is not proof of cheating but also makes it all but impossible to prove. I accept the 2020 election as the best we could do but we should be better.

[BillsFanNC]

Sending out millions of ballots and applications in states with dirty voter rolls  combined with placing drop boxes all over the place was unprecedented and is a huge recipe for fraud.  Ds and Rs were on record pre-2020 (including Obama) in agreement saying that universal mail in balloting creates a massive potential for fraud. 

 

In 2020 we did massive mail in drop box voting on steroids. A pandemic doesn't make the fraud potential go away.

 

I don't ever remember multiple states stop counting votes on presidential election night. Do you? Why in 2020?

 

Multiple reports of republican poll watchers being ejected from precincts across the country, mostly in key swing states.

 

There are 19 bellwether counties across the country that reliably predict the winner if you can win 15 or 16 of the 19. Trump won 18 of 19. This trend goes back to 1980.

 

Ohio, Florida and Iowa are predictive of presidential winners. Trump won all three comfortably.

 

Huge Trump down ballot coattails with Rs gaining 13 seats in the house. You'd think Bidens "81 million" votes would have paved the way for a blue wave. Why didn't it?

 

Now of course none of this is proof and that's kind of point with mail in ballot fraud. Once any fraudulent ballots are cast it's almost impossible to prove they are fraudulent. The game is set once MILLIONS of unsolicited ballots are puked out nationwide. People intent on committing fraud know this.

 

Taking all of the above election anomalies and rejecting them out of hand simply because you've been told there's been no fraud is just a tad ridiculous to say the least.

 

And of course we now have 2000 mules.

 

 

 

@ChiGoose I'll ask again because the Time article also makes reference to this.  What do you think about key swing states changing their 2020 election laws not via state legislatures as required by the constitution but rather via the courts and executive branches? 

 

 

 

 

Edited May 23, 2022 by DRsGhost

[BillStime]

20 minutes ago, DRsGhost said:

I'll ask again because the Time article also makes reference to this.  What do you think about key swing states changing their 2020 election laws not via state legislatures as required by the constitution but rather via the courts and executive branches? 

 

Can you tell us about the political make up of those state legislatures in said swing states?

[BillsFanNC]

And again I'll come back to this..

 

Joe's dementia?

 

Another folksy uncle Joe gaffe?

 

Joe saying the quiet part out loud?

 

Before you hit play, imagine if Trump said the exact same words verbatim prior to the 2020 election. #viralfirestormshitshow doesn't even begin to describe what would happen if these words came from the orange man's piehole.

 

 

 

[BillStime]

25 minutes ago, DRsGhost said:

And again I'll come back to this..

 

Joe's dementia?

 

Another folksy uncle Joe gaffe?

 

Joe saying the quiet part out loud?

 

Before you hit play, imagine if Trump said the exact same words verbatim prior to the 2020 election. #viralfirestormshitshow doesn't even begin to describe what would happen if these words came from the orange man's piehole.

 

 

 

 

Can you tell us about the political make up of those state legislatures in said swing states?

[ChiGoose]

Ok, so I need to understand the 2020 argument because it seems clear that some people here actually believe that Trump won in 2020. 
 

Is the issue that the majority of Americans voted for Trump but a cabal of democrats and deep state actors flipped the election to Biden?

 

Or is the problem that, given the pandemic, officials tried to make it safer to vote and therefore more people voted and they voted for Biden?

 

I’m gonna be honest here, the idea that there was a vast conspiracy to defeat the GOP and also have  the Dems lose seats in the House, need an improbable double win in a later senate election in Georgia to tie the senate with a margin that ensured they would never pass their agenda, and generally getting stomped in state and local elections seems… improbable. If the election was rigged, the Dems would have faired much better than they did. 

 

Trump generally trailed other GOP candidates. If there was a plot to rig the elections, those down-ballot candidates would have lost too.

 

For this to make sense, the Dems would need to be so competent to rig a nationwide federalized election but so dumb as to only do it for one race on the ballot. Seems… unlikely. 

[BillStime]

2 hours ago, Big Blitz said:

 

 

You just named them.  

 

Rigged elections don't just happen on election day or during the vote you mail every one to during election season.  

 

If that were the case - then why did the Left lose its ***t over Russia in 2016?

 

It's called "Narrative Control."

 

The left didn't have it when everyone could freely p

Democrat voters are anti American lunatics that have zero to run on for working families.  NOTHING.  They haven't in a while....but at least they supported liberty.

Narrative control… Look at the bs you spew here on a daily basis. lolz

 

And please tell us - wtf has the cult done for American families? 
 

[Big Blitz]

5 hours ago, BillStime said:

Narrative control… Look at the bs you spew here on a daily basis. lolz

 

And please tell us - wtf has the cult done for American families? 
 

 

 

They don't control Congress ....yet

 

They do control red states commies keep fleeing to like they're West Berlin.  

 

 

But thanks for agreeing with me your party of thugs has done nothing but tell us to buy an electric car and lament over how jobs lost overseas aren't coming back.  

5 hours ago, ChiGoose said:

 

For this to make sense, the Dems would need to be so competent to rig a nationwide federalized election but so dumb as to only do it for one race on the ballot. Seems… unlikely. 

 

No they just need to control Atlanta, Milwaukee, Phoenix or Tucson, Philadelphia, and Detroit.  

[BillsFanNC]

52 minutes ago, Big Blitz said:

 

No they just need to control Atlanta, Milwaukee, Phoenix or Tucson, Philadelphia, and Detroit.  

 

Yep. 2000 mules. These were the only areas of the country that they studied. 

 

They have:

 

Cell phone geotracking data that can pinpoint cellphone location to within 2 feet. 

 

The unique cell phone signals are tracked not only going to 10 plus drop boxes, but ALSO going back and forth from Democrat nonprofit organization addresses. 1100 unique cell phone signals or mules in Philadelphia alone met the above criteria. 250+ in Atlanta. 

 

In many cases they have surveillance video married to the geotrack metadata showing ballot trafficking mules dropping multiple ballots into those dropboxes. This is a felony. But sure, most secure election in US history.

 

So you've got states changing election laws in 2020 so that they can mail out unsolicited ballots to everyone on their voter rolls (never happened in us history) and now you've got evidence of people visiting 10+ drop boxes along with video evidence of them casting multiple ballots at drop boxes in some of those same states. Nothing to see here.

 

To say these details add up to no widespread fraud, or even better "the most secure election in US history" is akin to giving the entire Patriots press box staff video cameras pointed at the opponents sideline and their ball boys inflation needles and pressure gauges.  The NFL then doesn't monitor any of it during the game. Afterwards the league and entire NFL media in unison repeatedly tell the rest of the league that there's zero chance the Patriots cheated.

 

Uh huh. 

 

There's no way to go back and prove that Trump won. Again that's the entire point of puking out unsolicited ballots to dirty voter rolls. But you can absolutely prove that 2020 was most definitely not free of widespread fraud and it absolutely positively was not the most secure election in US history. I wonder why the opposite mantra was repeated so often in the weeks after the election? 

 

@ChiGoose I'll ask a third time. Your thoughts on multiple states changing their 2020 election laws via avenues other than state legislatures as required by the constitution?

 

And I gotta be honest as well. It seems clear that some people actually believe a guy who mostly campaigned from his basement, and when he did emerge was lucky to get 100 people to show up at rallies, really got 81 million legitimate votes.

 

 

[leh-nerd skin-erd]

12 hours ago, ChiGoose said:

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/05/22/us/politics/state-legislators-election-denialhtml.html?referringSource=articleShare&referringSource=articleShare
 

There is no evidence of widespread fraud in the 2020 election and those that push the lie that there was are a clear danger to American democracy.

 

The 2016 election was not rigged. The 2020 election was not rigged. 
 

But these people want to make sure they can decide the winner of the 2024 election no matter how the people vote. 

I guess I’m not really sure why you have an issue if those in leadership (or ordinary citizens) raise concerns of legitimacy of the/an election.  

In the end, Biden is president, people generally don’t trust much that comes out of Washington, and the world continues to turn. 
 

 

[Tiberius]

Biden won, he was the better candidate, the better man and a better president. 

[Doc]

Shocking that a President who won thanks to fraud and feelz is the worst President ever.  

[BillsFanNC]

23 minutes ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said:

I guess I’m not really sure why you have an issue if those in leadership (or ordinary citizens) raise concerns of legitimacy of the/an election.  

In the end, Biden is president, people generally don’t trust much that comes out of Washington, and the world continues to turn. 
 

 

 

It's 2022. You must fall in line with your elected leaders and media or else....

 

If the shoe were on the other foot in 2020 with Biden leading late in night, states announce pause in counting, and we wake up the next morning to Trump in the lead we'd have howling and like you've never seen from the other side.  And rightly so.

 

And that really is the point of all of this questioning. If you can't have elections where everyone on BOTH sides have confidence in it being free of major shenanigans then you begin to crack the foundations of the republic.

 

You simply cannot have another election like 2020 where some 15 million unsolicited ballots are sent out with mostly unmonitored drop boxes everywhere. In what universe does the above recipe, that never happened before in US history, and  had bipartisan agreement as a huge invitation for fraud, equal the most secure election in US history?

 

It's really the "theres nothing to see here" mantra that puts it into over the top shady territory. But thats just me....and tens of millions of other Americans. 

[Tiberius]

8 minutes ago, Doc said:

Shocking that a President who won thanks to fraud and feelz is the worst President ever.  

He's so good people have to make up crap that he won through fraud. That's good! 

 

Morning Doc, enjoying the great western New York weather today?