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On 4/1/2022 at 5:20 PM, LyndonvilleBill said:

Also Zander Horvath RB (FB) Purdue. Like him to replace Moss and Gilliam. 1 player, 2 spots filled. 

 

 

Same college, same position, same number, same style and yet no comparisons to Alstott? Gawd i feel old

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19 minutes ago, jdonley1180 said:
On 4/1/2022 at 5:20 PM, LyndonvilleBill said:

Also Zander Horvath RB (FB) Purdue. Like him to replace Moss and Gilliam. 1 player, 2 spots filled. 

 

 

Same college, same position, same number, same style and yet no comparisons to Alstott? Gawd i feel old

Sorry, but I didn't think about mentioning Alstott. Would be nice to have a 1,2 punch like Dunn and Alstott but doubt we'll be able to find our Dunn.

 

PS. Don't feel old.😉

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QB Carson Strong

 

Best QB in this draft class by a mile. A true NFL Franchise QB.

 

NFL comp: Carson Palmer with the clutch gene

 

Draft ceiling: #6 to Carolina

Likeliest destination: #9 to Seattle

Draft floor: #11 to Washington

 

Top 11 pick on April 28th.

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35 minutes ago, FFadpecr said:

QB Carson Strong

 

Best QB in this draft class by a mile. A true NFL Franchise QB.

 

NFL comp: Carson Palmer with the clutch gene

 

Draft ceiling: #6 to Carolina

Likeliest destination: #9 to Seattle

Draft floor: #11 to Washington

 

Top 11 pick next month.

I like Strong, he's a target of my in dynasty. That said, I don't think there's any way he goes top 11 in the draft. Possibly late 1 in a trade up (or Lions) scenario, early-to-mid 2 feels much more likely.

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I think the best Rb in this draft in 3 years will be Zamir White from Georgia.  Buffalo takes him in the 3rd rd and he will be a difference maker for the offense.  His knee injuries will scare some away.  I see him as Frank Gore coming out of the U.  Has burst and speed.  

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27 minutes ago, glazeduck said:

I like Strong, he's a target of my in dynasty. That said, I don't think there's any way he goes top 11 in the draft. Possibly late 1 in a trade up (or Lions) scenario, early-to-mid 2 feels much more likely.

 

Wrong.

 

The Seahawks traded away their HOF QB for the #9 overall pick in this year's draft specifically for this player in particular.

 

If you know Pete Carroll, you know this is the kind of QB he would fall in love with. Big, prototypical, old-school pure pocket passer with the arm talent to make every NFL throw on the field, stretches the defense out so he can utilize the power run game to control the game.

 

Strong will compete with Drew Lock and easily beat him out.

 

#9 overall to the Seattle Seahawks.

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1 minute ago, FFadpecr said:

 

Wrong.

 

The Seahawks traded away their HOF QB for the #9 overall pick in this year's draft specifically for this player in particular.

 

If you know Pete Carroll, you know this is the kind of QB he falls in love with.

 

Strong will compete with Drew Lock and easily beat him out.

 

#9 overall to the Seattle Seahawks.

:D I'm more than a little familiar with Pete Carroll. As am I with this draft class. 

Care to put some money on this since you're so certain?

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37 minutes ago, glazeduck said:

:D I'm more than a little familiar with Pete Carroll. As am I with this draft class. 

Care to put some money on this since you're so certain?

 

 

Pete Carroll loves BIG players with prototypical size. He's an old-school Coach who covets Size - "Big people beat up little people" is what he ascribes to.

 

It's why he soured on Russell Wilson over the last few years. Back in 2012, the Seahawks GM took a 3rd round flyer on Wilson, but he was never truly "Pete Caroll's guy" - it just so happened that Wilson beat out Matt Flynn, was their best option at the time, and once he became QB, he kept winning so he kept his job. But there has always been friction between Carroll and Wilson - Wilson is a small undersized QB and that is not what Carroll likes or wants.

 

Who is the old-school prototype QB in this draft? 6'4" 226 pound Carson Strong, that's who.

 

Richard Sherman = Big Corner

Byron Maxwell = Big Corner

Kam Chancellor = Big Safety

DK Metcalf = Big WR

Damien Lewis = Big Guard

Gabe Jackson = Big Guard

Germain Ifedi = Big OL

Marshawn Lynch = Big RB

Chris Carson = Big RB

Rashad Penny = Big RB

Carlos Dunlap = Big DE

LJ Collier = Big LB

Drew Lock = Big QB

 

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Carson Strong = Big QB (6'4", 226 pounds)

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17 minutes ago, FFadpecr said:

 

 

Pete Carroll loves BIG players with prototypical size. He's an old-school Coach who covets size - "Big people beat up little people" is what he ascribes to.

 

Who is the old-school prototype QB in this draft? 6'4" 226 pound Carson Strong, that's who.

 

Richard Sherman = Big Corner

Kam Chancellor = Big Safety

DK Metcalf = Big WR

Damien Lewis and Gabe Jackson = Big Guards

Chris Carson and Rashaad Penny = Big RBs

Carlos Dunlap = Big DE

Drew Lock = Big QB

We just going to pretend like Russell Wilson and Tyler Lockett never played for the Seahawks? 

 

Your points are all over the place with this. The Seahawks didn't draft MOST of the players you're referencing. Carlos Dunlap was traded for because they needed pass rushing (and is, at best, perhaps an above-averagely sized DE), Drew Lock was traded for because they need a warm body at QB not because of his size (also kinda defeats your "Carson Strong will beat him out" point if you're also using him as an example of a Pete Carroll type player); Chris Carson and Penny's most significant FLAWS are their size (Carson's because he's such a big target and Penny's size is because he's always in terrible shape); Gabe Jackson and Lewis have been... maybe passable for the Seahawks? So again, not like going with the big guys is really working out super well there.

 

EDIT: I'll also add that many in Seattle are urging Pete to retire because he's refused to evolve his football philosophies, so I have a VERY hard time believing that they're going to let him screw up that pick from trading their franchise QB with another player that fits that old school mold...

 

So like I said, put your money where your mouth is if you're so certain. Maybe the Hawks trade down later to take Strong, I don't think your logic is completely inconceivable, but the absolutely will not be taking him at 9.

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6 minutes ago, glazeduck said:

We just going to pretend like Russell Wilson and Tyler Lockett never played for the Seahawks? 

 

Your points are all over the place with this. The Seahawks didn't draft MOST of the players you're referencing. Carlos Dunlap was traded for because they needed pass rushing (and is, at best, perhaps an above-averagely sized DE), Drew Lock was traded for because they need a warm body at QB not because of his size (also kinda defeats your "Carson Strong will beat him out" point if you're also using him as an example of a Pete Carroll type player); Chris Carson and Penny's most significant FLAWS are their size (Carson's because he's such a big target and Penny's size is because he's always in terrible shape); Gabe Jackson and Lewis have been... maybe passable for the Seahawks? So again, not like going with the big guys is really working out super well there.

 

So like I said, put your money where your mouth is if you're so certain. Maybe the Hawks trade down later to take Strong, I don't think your logic is completely inconceivable, but the absolutely will not be taking him at 9.

 

I already edited my post before u even responded. Reread:

 

Pete Carroll loves BIG players with prototypical size. He's an old-school Coach who covets Size - "Big people beat up little people" is what he ascribes to.

 

It's why he soured on Russell Wilson over the last few years. Back in 2012, the Seahawks GM took a 3rd round flyer on Wilson, but he was never truly "Pete Caroll's guy" - it just so happened that Wilson beat out Matt Flynn, was their best option at the time, and once he became QB, he kept winning so he kept his job. But there has always been friction between Carroll and Wilson - Wilson is a small undersized QB and that is not what Carroll likes or wants.

7 minutes ago, glazeduck said:

We just going to pretend like Russell Wilson and Tyler Lockett never played for the Seahawks? 

 

Your points are all over the place with this. The Seahawks didn't draft MOST of the players you're referencing. Carlos Dunlap was traded for because they needed pass rushing (and is, at best, perhaps an above-averagely sized DE), Drew Lock was traded for because they need a warm body at QB not because of his size (also kinda defeats your "Carson Strong will beat him out" point if you're also using him as an example of a Pete Carroll type player); Chris Carson and Penny's most significant FLAWS are their size (Carson's because he's such a big target and Penny's size is because he's always in terrible shape); Gabe Jackson and Lewis have been... maybe passable for the Seahawks? So again, not like going with the big guys is really working out super well there.

 

So like I said, put your money where your mouth is if you're so certain. Maybe the Hawks trade down later to take Strong, I don't think your logic is completely inconceivable, but the absolutely will not be taking him at 9.

 

Carson Strong will absolutely be drafted inside the Top 11 and the Seahawks at #9 are his likeliest detination.

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3 minutes ago, FFadpecr said:

 

I already edited my post before u even responded. Reread:

 

Pete Carroll loves BIG players with prototypical size. He's an old-school Coach who covets Size - "Big people beat up little people" is what he ascribes to.

 

It's why he soured on Russell Wilson over the last few years. Back in 2012, the Seahawks GM took a 3rd round flyer on Wilson, but he was never truly "Pete Caroll's guy" - it just so happened that Wilson beat out Matt Flynn, was their best option at the time, and once he became QB, he kept winning so he kept his job. But there has always been friction between Carroll and Wilson - Wilson is a small undersized QB and that is not what Carroll likes or wants.

This is getting ridiculous. So Pete, who somehow has always secretly hated Russell Wilson because of his size, put the Super Bowl in that man's hands -- INSTEAD OF ONE OF THE BEST GOAL LINE BACKS OF ALL TIME -- because... why exactly?

 

You've made your point, I've made mine. Let's have one of us make some money off of it since you're somehow so sure. I think you're beyond hot-takey at this point, but we'll find out in a few weeks.

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9 minutes ago, glazeduck said:

We just going to pretend like Russell Wilson and Tyler Lockett never played for the Seahawks? 

 

Your points are all over the place with this. The Seahawks didn't draft MOST of the players you're referencing. Carlos Dunlap was traded for because they needed pass rushing (and is, at best, perhaps an above-averagely sized DE), Drew Lock was traded for because they need a warm body at QB not because of his size (also kinda defeats your "Carson Strong will beat him out" point if you're also using him as an example of a Pete Carroll type player); Chris Carson and Penny's most significant FLAWS are their size (Carson's because he's such a big target and Penny's size is because he's always in terrible shape); Gabe Jackson and Lewis have been... maybe passable for the Seahawks? So again, not like going with the big guys is really working out super well there.

 

So like I said, put your money where your mouth is if you're so certain. Maybe the Hawks trade down later to take Strong, I don't think your logic is completely inconceivable, but the absolutely will not be taking him at 9.

 

This is absolutely NOT how drafting a Franchise QB in the NFL works.

 

If a team loves a QB and believes he's a Franchise QB, they take him as soon as possible and don't risk "trading down later" and simply "hoping" he's still available.

 

If the Seahawks love Carson Strong, which I firmly believe they do, they will simply draft him 9th overall and secure said Franchise QB. Period.

 

When it comes to NFL Franchise QBs, teams don't play around. Teams don't say to themselves "Well let's trade down, cross our fingers, and hope our coveted Franchise QB is still on the board"

 

No no no - That is not how it works. Not at all.

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4 minutes ago, glazeduck said:

This is getting ridiculous. So Pete, who somehow has always secretly hated Russell Wilson because of his size, put the Super Bowl in that man's hands -- INSTEAD OF ONE OF THE BEST GOAL LINE BACKS OF ALL TIME -- because... why exactly?

 

You've made your point, I've made mine. Let's have one of us make some money off of it since you're somehow so sure. I think you're beyond hot-takey at this point, but we'll find out in a few weeks.

 

 

You're going off on a tangent and missing the forest from the trees in the process. You're lost on this topic.

 

Pete Caroll LITERALLY JUST GAVE AWAY RUSSELL WILSON AND HAS HAD FRICTION WITH HIM FOR MANY YEARS NOW.

 

He did that for one reason: to start fresh with his own prototypical hand-picked QB, which is Carson Strong.

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We have entered bizarro world. Then again the Seahawks drafted Germain Ifedi and LJ Collier in round 1 too. 

 

Exactly.

 

BIG players.

 

Ifedi = Big OL

LJ Collier = Big LB

 

Pete Carroll is an old-school Coach who covets big players with size.

Richard Sherman = Big Corner

Byron Maxwell = Big Corner

Kam Chancellor = Big Safety

DK Metcalf = Big WR

Damien Lewis = Big Guard

Gabe Jackson = Big Guard

Germain Ifedi = Big OL

Marshawn Lynch = Big RB

Chris Carson = Big RB

Rashad Penny = Big RB

Carlos Dunlap = Big DE

LJ Collier = Big LB

Drew Lock = Big QB

 

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Carson Strong = Big QB (6'4", 226 pounds)

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11 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

I mean I am sure you are wrong that Carson Strong goes first round let alone top 10. But you are not interested in hearing an argument to the contrary. 

 

It is a lock that Carson Strong gets drafted inside the Top 20.

 

Listen to me: an absolute LOCK.

 

He is the best QB in the draft by a country mile. It's not even close.

 

I will bump this thread on April 28th as soon as Strong gets selected inside the Top 20 overall picks.

11 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

I mean I am sure you are wrong that Carson Strong goes first round let alone top 10. But you are not interested in hearing an argument to the contrary. 

 

 

The media has totally brainwashed you into thinking that most NFL teams don't have Strong as QB1.

 

Hell, before the 2021 season, there were mock drafts that projected Strong being drafted #2 overall to the Lions. I repeat: #2 overall.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.si.com/nfl/lions/.amp/news/lions-draft-carson-strong-2022-nfl-mock-draft

 

Most NFL teams do have Strong rated as QB1 in this class. Because factually, he is.

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3 minutes ago, FFadpecr said:

 

It is a lock that Carson Strong gets drafted inside the Top 20.

 

Listen to me: an absolute LOCK.

 

He is the best QB in the draft by a country mile. It's not even close.

 

I will bump this thread on April 28th as soon as Strong gets selected inside the Top 20 overall picks.

 

 

The media has totally brainwashed you into thinking that most NFL teams don't have Strong as QB1.

 

Hell, before the 2021 season, there were mock drafts that projected Strong being drafted #2 overall to the Lions. I repeat: #2 overall.

 

Most NFL teams do have Strong rated as QB1 in this class. Because factually, he is.

 

So when I speak to guys who speak to teams that is not what I hear. 

 

Feel free to take a victory lap if it happens. But I hope you will also appear here to eat humble pie if it doesn't.

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11 minutes ago, FFadpecr said:

 

 

You're going off on a tangent and missing the forest from the trees in the process. You're lost on this topic.

 

Pete Caroll LITERALLY JUST GAVE AWAY RUSSELL WILSON AND HAS HAD FRICTION WITH HIM FOR MANY YEARS NOW.

 

He did that for one reason: to start fresh with his own prototypical hand-picked QB, which is Carson Strong.

 

Exactly.

 

BIG players.

 

Ifedi = Big OL

LJ Collier = Big LB

 

Pete Carroll is an old-school Coach who covets big players with size.

Richard Sherman = Big Corner

Byron Maxwell = Big Corner

Kam Chancellor = Big Safety

DK Metcalf = Big WR

Damien Lewis = Big Guard

Gabe Jackson = Big Guard

Germain Ifedi = Big OL

Marshawn Lynch = Big RB

Chris Carson = Big RB

Rashad Penny = Big RB

Carlos Dunlap = Big DE

LJ Collier = Big LB

Drew Lock = Big QB

 

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Carson Strong = Big QB (6'4", 226 pounds)

Cherrypicking is fun isn't it?

 

Tyler Locket = tiny at any position

Russell Wilson = tiny qb

Bruce Irvin = tiny DE

Britt = tiny OL

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