Doc Posted December 17, 2021 Share Posted December 17, 2021 14 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said: Never said there weren’t. However you’re assuming that those are the people that aren’t vaccinated. I’m guessing the vast majority of unvaccinated are actually the un documented …who didn’t vote for anyone. A good number are POC who were frightened by Kammy saying she'd refuse to take the vaccine. And in a lot of other countries, people are refusing to take it. They must be Trumpers as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted December 17, 2021 Share Posted December 17, 2021 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Doc said: A good number are POC who were frightened by Kammy saying she'd refuse to take the vaccine. And in a lot of other countries, people are refusing to take it. They must be Trumpers as well. The real question is since I’m double vaccinated and boosted why is Governor Gruesome trying to lock me down…again? Could it be that the people running our government are clueless nitwits that have no idea what they’re doing? Hmmm? Edited December 17, 2021 by SoCal Deek 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
All_Pro_Bills Posted December 17, 2021 Share Posted December 17, 2021 (edited) 16 hours ago, John Adams said: Sorry to interrupt your regularly scheduled stupidity. You linked to a chart showing rising bed usage and a massively increasing Covid bed usage as a proportion of same (assume because electives are getting squeezed out). U dum Before you start hurling out insults try some simple math and get some percentages. Nationally there are 82,137 ICU beds. 59.5% are occupied by non-COVID patients, 19.7% are occupied by COVID patients, and 20.7% are unoccupied. The contention is the hospital system is stressed by non-vaccinated COVID patients. It isn't. Capacity utilization is 79.3%. Elective procedures are not be squeezed out if you take the time to check inpatient utilization rates. COVID patients occupy 9.2% of hospital inpatient beds. ICU is generally not elective. Edited December 17, 2021 by All_Pro_Bills Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted December 17, 2021 Share Posted December 17, 2021 26 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said: The real question is since I’m double vaccinated and boosted why is Governor Gruesome trying to lock me down…again? Could it be that the people running our government are clueless nitwits that have no idea what they’re doing? Hmmm? Naw. It's all Trump's fault. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T master Posted December 17, 2021 Share Posted December 17, 2021 Usually as they say there are 3 sides to every story - yours, theirs & the truth ! I'm not doubting in any way that what these people are saying isn't true and what they have went through & seen isn't or hasn't been a tramatic experience alls i do know is what i have heard from different people in the medical profession and then what we have heard & seen from those the have a difference of opinion on certain meds available . From the beginning it was put forth that there was the possibility of a inexpensive medicine that could help at least slow the virus but due to hate the damper was immediately put on that and soon after for what ever reason those drugs even given it's history were made to look as if they wouldn't help in any way and trials were immediately stopped . Then out came some in the medical community that talked of proof from their personal medical experiences using those drugs as soon as the diagnosis was made helped and then when they said so publicly they were black balled or fired from their positions when they spoke up about it so exactly what is the answer to the health care crisis now ? Is it in some part because these people know there could be alternatives to stopping this thing & they are not allowed to use them because money is driving this the same way chemicals are still allowed to be used even though they are known to cause cancer or is it the fact that they believe that this is truly as bad as it is being made out to be i for one do not know & have little faith in those giving out this information . I do know just as of a couple of days ago i talked to some one in nursing and they told me that she was not allowed to use drugs with a proven history of little to no complications health wise to battle the virus and even with her years of experience and knowledge of how it works & how many times of her administering it as a anti viral it isn't allowed to be used . And have a family member that was fired from their job for not taking the vaccination despite their religious exemption and went to their Dr. and was given a prescription for those drugs and the Dr. told them that it would help them if in fact they were to contract the virus . Red flag ? I'm thinking maybe ! In the beginning it was said that herd immunity was something that was needed to be reached in this but now the only way this can be defeated is by the vaccination & herd immunity is no longer talked about even though it has been proven that if you get the virus the anti bodies are proven stronger than those in being vaccinated . Yet they say even though you have had the virus which the antibodies are proven to be stronger naturally you still need to get the vaccine even though if you do get vaccinated you can still get & spread it ! Which being some one that knows very little about how that works i for the life of me being a person that uses common sense every day can't figure that one out !! Unless of course the money is the drive for it . Then there is the fact that i wouldn't trust a politician as far as i could throw them IMHO if their mouth is moving they are lying to you ! And there's the fact that they won't even tell the truth or cover it up of how the virus came to be. We have heard such things as it came from a bat supposedly shitting in a fish market & some one eating the infected seafood to it is a man made thing that some how got out of the lab & that it was made in Wuhan which i truly believe . Communist China is run by truly evil people and i would in no way put this past them . But that's just me this kind of evil does exist on this earth weather we choose to believe it or not & it happens here in our own country ! If you don't believe it watch the documentary "The People vs Agent Orange" that may open your eyes to what can & does happen with evil intent and is driven by the all mighty dollar . Any way enough of my rant i just hope that this gets figured out in a way that we all can feel good about how that point is reached & instead of dividing us brings us together because it is going to take a collective process to defeat this . Let me end with this thought i hope that in some way shape or form the truth is found out & all of those responsible will be held accountable to the highest degree . I would personally rather go back to a time that i would have to do with out a lot of the material things we get today than let a country get away with such a world wide atrocity & we allow it & continue to fund their country !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillStime Posted December 17, 2021 Share Posted December 17, 2021 (edited) I can’t imagine why health care workers are leaving in droves. First off - they are grossly underpaid. Second, why should they risk their lives for a pathetic GQP? Why should health care workiers fight the coordinated multi channel media campaign designed by the cult to piss all over all/any mitigation efforts to curb a global pandemic? I mean - we have thousands of pages here at PPP sponsored by the Party of Death biching about the vaccine and masks - while stats continue to show that counties that voted for Trump are dying at higher rates than blue counties. Could it be the GQP is so desperate to kill off as many Americans as possible so they can justify Trumps denials and dereliction of duty when he first learned about the severity of the virus in 2019? Trump could tell @Doc, @Big Blitz and @B-Man and all the rest of the disgusting low life degenerates to jump over Niagara Falls and they would still twist themselves into pretzels justifying it while blaming everyone else but themselves on their own stupidity. Edited December 17, 2021 by BillStime 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Blitz Posted December 17, 2021 Share Posted December 17, 2021 15 minutes ago, BillStime said: I can’t imagine why health care workers are leaving in droves. First off - they are grossly underpaid. Second, why should they risk their lives for pathetic GQP? Why should health care workings fight the coordinated multi channel media campaign designed by the cult to piss all over all/any mitigation efforts to curb a global pandemic? I mean - we have thousands of pages here at PPP sponsored by the Party of Death biching about the vaccine and masks - while stats continue to show that counties that voted for Trump are dying at higher rates than blue counties. Could it be the GQP is so desperate to kill off as many Americans as possible so they can justify Trumps denials and dereliction of duty when he first learned about the severity of the virus in 2019? Trump could tell @Doc, @Big Blitz and @B-Man and all the rest of the disgusting low life degenerates to jump over Niagara Falls and they would still twist themselves into pretzels justifying it while blaming everyone else but themselves on their own stupidity. Florida isn't having any issues. You know who seems real nervous about their health care facilities and care? The Socialist/universal health care countries you want to implement here and the deep blue ***t hole states in the U.S. You people are wrong about everything. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted December 17, 2021 Author Share Posted December 17, 2021 6 minutes ago, Big Blitz said: Florida isn't having any issues. You know who seems real nervous about their health care facilities and care? The Socialist/universal health care countries you want to implement here and the deep blue ***t hole states in the U.S. You people are wrong about everything. You people are lied to about everything, and believe it. Move to Russia, please 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillStime Posted December 17, 2021 Share Posted December 17, 2021 16 minutes ago, Big Blitz said: Florida isn't having any issues. You know who seems real nervous about their health care facilities and care? The Socialist/universal health care countries you want to implement here and the deep blue ***t hole states in the U.S. You people are wrong about everything. And the current state of our health care is successful? If so, why are health care workers leaving in droves? Idiots Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Blitz Posted December 17, 2021 Share Posted December 17, 2021 2 minutes ago, BillStime said: And the current state of our health care is successful? If so, why are health care workers leaving in droves? Idiots Hmm......... Who's had their hands all over the system since 2010 and post March 2020? I'm completely stumped. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted December 17, 2021 Share Posted December 17, 2021 38 minutes ago, BillStime said: I can’t imagine why health care workers are leaving in droves. First off - they are grossly underpaid. Fantastic.....you've found yet another group of professionals that YOU have determined are "grossly underpaid". It's amazing how much you know about the inner workings of all American industries. What's the term you use? Oh yeah....IDIOT! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillStime Posted December 17, 2021 Share Posted December 17, 2021 24 minutes ago, Big Blitz said: Florida isn't having any issues. You people are wrong about everything. No Big Ditz - you are wrong about EVERYTHING. Every major city and newspaper in Florida is reporting on shortages. I know facts mean nothing to you but: Hospital CEO in Florida says staffers are overworked, angry and quitting: ‘Our breaking point’ Florida Phoenix - Nurses with burnout: ‘Many … have gotten sick, some have died, and all of us are exhausted’ Florida’s healthcare system is in trouble; legislators must act fast Idiots 11 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said: Fantastic.....you've found yet another group of professionals that YOU have determined are "grossly underpaid". It's amazing how much you know about the inner workings of all American industries. What's the term you use? Oh yeah....IDIOT! Are you a health care worker? Is your wife or family member a health care worker? Front line staff? NO? Then stfu. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Blitz Posted December 17, 2021 Share Posted December 17, 2021 5 minutes ago, BillStime said: No Big Ditz - you are wrong about EVERYTHING. Every major city and newspaper in Florida is reporting on shortages. I know facts mean nothing to you but: Hospital CEO in Florida says staffers are overworked, angry and quitting: ‘Our breaking point’ Florida Phoenix - Nurses with burnout: ‘Many … have gotten sick, some have died, and all of us are exhausted’ Florida’s healthcare system is in trouble; legislators must act fast Idiots Article from August And an op Ed from a health Care lobbyist. Ok Bill. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillStime Posted December 17, 2021 Share Posted December 17, 2021 2 minutes ago, Big Blitz said: Article from August And an op Ed from a health Care lobbyist. Ok Bill. Of course you didn't click on the google link highlighting articles from newspapers THIS week. You people are wrong about everything Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Blitz Posted December 17, 2021 Share Posted December 17, 2021 1 minute ago, BillStime said: Of course you didn't click on the google link highlighting articles from newspapers THIS week. You people are wrong about everything The other link was from October Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillStime Posted December 17, 2021 Share Posted December 17, 2021 7 minutes ago, Big Blitz said: The other link was from October Wrong... but you don't really want to seek info that counters you or the People's Repubik of Florida, do you? Of course not. https://www.google.com/search?safe=active&client=firefox-b-1-d&sxsrf=AOaemvKAM57UK5UYMI3orDDtQlQl8niWng:1639760306952&q=florida+health+care+shortages&tbm=nws&source=univ&tbo=u&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjszfKUp-v0AhVOmuAKHTQEBakQt8YBegQIAhAG&biw=1280&bih=567&dpr=1.5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Blitz Posted December 17, 2021 Share Posted December 17, 2021 19 minutes ago, BillStime said: Wrong... but you don't really want to seek info that counters you or the People's Repubik of Florida, do you? Of course not. https://www.google.com/search?safe=active&client=firefox-b-1-d&sxsrf=AOaemvKAM57UK5UYMI3orDDtQlQl8niWng:1639760306952&q=florida+health+care+shortages&tbm=nws&source=univ&tbo=u&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjszfKUp-v0AhVOmuAKHTQEBakQt8YBegQIAhAG&biw=1280&bih=567&dpr=1.5 Doesn't sound like any issue created by the State of Florida there Billy....... But self imposed covid disasters - yea that's on you and your fellow scared betas “Many of the nurses have been dealing with this for the last two years have decided to call it quits, they’ve retired early, many of them have gotten out of the health care industry and some have chosen to make more money by going to work at temp agencies,” Migoya said. “What’s happened now after COVID, those temp agencies have been able to double what they used to charge. Right now hospitals are paying a lot more for the same care.” Aurelio Fernandez, the CEO of the Memorial Health Care System in Broward County, said it’s not just nurses, there’s a shortage of all health care specialties, driven by needs created by COVID. “At one point, in August of this year, 49% of our patients were COVID positive, and that put a tremendous amount of stress on the health care system and how we manage patient care,” Fernandez said. “Now we’re below 55 patients in the health care system, we have less than 10 patients in critical care who are COVID positive.” https://www.nbcmiami.com/news/local/pandemic-creates-nursing-shortage-in-south-florida/2640707/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillStime Posted December 17, 2021 Share Posted December 17, 2021 12 minutes ago, Big Blitz said: Doesn't sound like any issue created by the State of Florida there Billy....... But self imposed covid disasters - yea that's on you and your fellow scared betas “Many of the nurses have been dealing with this for the last two years have decided to call it quits, they’ve retired early, many of them have gotten out of the health care industry and some have chosen to make more money by going to work at temp agencies,” Migoya said. “What’s happened now after COVID, those temp agencies have been able to double what they used to charge. Right now hospitals are paying a lot more for the same care.” Aurelio Fernandez, the CEO of the Memorial Health Care System in Broward County, said it’s not just nurses, there’s a shortage of all health care specialties, driven by needs created by COVID. “At one point, in August of this year, 49% of our patients were COVID positive, and that put a tremendous amount of stress on the health care system and how we manage patient care,” Fernandez said. “Now we’re below 55 patients in the health care system, we have less than 10 patients in critical care who are COVID positive.” https://www.nbcmiami.com/news/local/pandemic-creates-nursing-shortage-in-south-florida/2640707/ Oh go nit pick you piece of crap - lmao - Florida is seeing health care shortages all over the place. Keep digging Big Ditz - you are pathetic as always. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted December 17, 2021 Share Posted December 17, 2021 1 hour ago, BillStime said: Are you a health care worker? Is your wife or family member a health care worker? Front line staff? NO? Then stfu. And if I tell you yes….will you STFU? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillStime Posted December 17, 2021 Share Posted December 17, 2021 51 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said: And if I tell you yes….will you STFU? Oh, better yet - you can share your POV on the value of their work and let them know they are paid fairly. Have fun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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