John from Riverside Posted November 1, 2023 Share Posted November 1, 2023 3 minutes ago, Doc said: If so, you should be as well. They'll all be on government assistance, sucking up your tax dollars. I just find it kind of humorous how immigration is the new scare Like it hasn’t been going on for how long? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted November 1, 2023 Share Posted November 1, 2023 11 minutes ago, John from Riverside said: I just find it kind of humorous how immigration is the new scare Like it hasn’t been going on for how long? No one said it was a "new" scare. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted November 1, 2023 Share Posted November 1, 2023 Just now, Doc said: No one said it was a "new" scare. I guess new is relative what I meant to say is as long as Trump has been around Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommy Callahan Posted November 1, 2023 Share Posted November 1, 2023 1 minute ago, John from Riverside said: I guess new is relative what I meant to say is as long as Trump has been around Meh. the voices just attacked any opposing view to open boarders, as racist. Till the Sanctuary cities had to put their money where their mouth was, and now the sanctuary city leaders are crying about lack of services due to "the immigrants" they provided sanctuary to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted November 1, 2023 Share Posted November 1, 2023 3 minutes ago, Tommy Callahan said: Meh. the voices just attacked any opposing view to open boarders, as racist. Till the Sanctuary cities had to put their money where their mouth was, and now the sanctuary city leaders are crying about lack of services due to "the immigrants" they provided sanctuary to. Once again, I say This is not a new thing sanctuary cities have been around for a long time. We have been excepting immigrants for a long time. Since the inception of the country actually 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted November 1, 2023 Share Posted November 1, 2023 20 minutes ago, John from Riverside said: I guess new is relative what I meant to say is as long as Trump has been around No, it was an issue under Barry as well. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommy Callahan Posted November 1, 2023 Share Posted November 1, 2023 (edited) 31 minutes ago, John from Riverside said: Once again, I say This is not a new thing sanctuary cities have been around for a long time. We have been excepting immigrants for a long time. Since the inception of the country actually Here is Bill Clinton statements on the passing of the 1995 immigration bill. its been an issue for a long time. CQ Almanac Online Edition (cqpress.com) Former United States President Bill Clinton asserted that the legislation strengthened "the rule of law by cracking down on illegal immigration at the border, in the workplace, and in the criminal justice system — without punishing those living in the United States legally". https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illegal_Immigration_Reform_and_Immigrant_Responsibility_Act_of_1996#:~:text=Former United States President Bill,in the United States legally". And kinda Ironic cause he just came out stating NY needs to end its mandatory shelter laws and wants housing (prisons) for them to be housed near the border till hearings/permits. "New York City's predicament is part of a larger issue of a lack of housing for migrants, he said. Clinton proposed a possible solution of building more housing along the southern border, which could ensure migrants have a place to stay while waiting to receive work permits." Bill Clinton supports modifying NYC's 'Right to Shelter' law amid migrant crisis: 'It's broken' | KECI (nbcmontana.com) On December 5, 1979, the New York State Supreme Court ordered the City and State to provide shelter for homeless men in a landmark decision that cited Article XVII of the New York State Constitution., Not forever Other cities and states just passed similar laws while the media was calling trump a racist for building a wall. in a knee jerk reactionary way. Never minding it would lead to this. Anything is kosher as long as its resisting the orange dude. Edited November 1, 2023 by Tommy Callahan 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted November 2, 2023 Share Posted November 2, 2023 WHAT ELSE DO YOU NEED TO SEE ?? Take the corruption part out. They are SEPARATE wars !! They SHOULD be funded differently . It's f____ing common sense. . . 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillStime Posted November 3, 2023 Share Posted November 3, 2023 Oh. Ok. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted November 3, 2023 Author Share Posted November 3, 2023 16 hours ago, B-Man said: WHAT ELSE DO YOU NEED TO SEE ?? Take the corruption part out. They are SEPARATE wars !! They SHOULD be funded differently . It's f____ing common sense. . . Yup, Veto that sh it! Veto it all to hell As a matter of fact I'd wipe my ass with the bill and send it back to speaker Johnson 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
All_Pro_Bills Posted November 3, 2023 Share Posted November 3, 2023 On 11/1/2023 at 11:33 AM, John from Riverside said: Once again, I say This is not a new thing sanctuary cities have been around for a long time. We have been excepting immigrants for a long time. Since the inception of the country actually Not really that long. The concept of Sanctuary Cities is pretty recent when local governments started refusing to assist and support Federal Immigration enforcement officers with arresting and deporting illegals. Now its transformed into a wide safety net of taxpayer provided services and support. The problem is the sheer volume of people streaming across the border has overwhelmed even the most generous cities. And generally with the Biden administration refusing to enforce any immigration laws, the designation is a moot point where sanctuary has been replaced by social services support. Also, the idea that these 8 million people meet the necessary criteria for Asylum status is dubious. Its just a procedural ploy to get into the country. Everyone is given a hearing date, released on their own recognizance, and required to show up at the hearing to state their case for asylum, with the court ruling yes or no on their qualifying for that status. Of course, almost nobody is going to show for the hearing and Federal immigration officials under Biden have absolutely no intention of taking any enforcement action against anyone much less deport them for not showing up. Its simply a very well orchestrated scam. And the "great" news is there's more on the way! 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted November 3, 2023 Author Share Posted November 3, 2023 4 minutes ago, All_Pro_Bills said: Not really that long. The concept of Sanctuary Cities is pretty recent when local governments started refusing to assist and support Federal Immigration enforcement officers with arresting and deporting illegals. Now its transformed into a wide safety net of taxpayer provided services and support. The problem is the sheer volume of people streaming across the border has overwhelmed even the most generous cities. And generally with the Biden administration refusing to enforce any immigration laws, the designation is a moot point where sanctuary has been replaced by social services support. Also, the idea that these 8 million people meet the necessary criteria for Asylum status is dubious. Its just a procedural ploy to get into the country. Everyone is given a hearing date, released on their own recognizance, and required to show up at the hearing to state their case for asylum, with the court ruling yes or no on their qualifying for that status. Of course, almost nobody is going to show for the hearing and Federal immigration officials under Biden have absolutely no intention of taking any enforcement action against anyone much less deport them for not showing up. Its simply a very well orchestrated scam. And the "great" news is there's more on the way! Running away from the brutal dictatorship in Venezuela would meet the criteria of asylum, right? way I see it, we either do something about Venezuela's government, or let the people in. neither are popular choices. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommy Callahan Posted November 3, 2023 Share Posted November 3, 2023 3 minutes ago, Tiberius said: Running away from the brutal dictatorship in Venezuela would meet the criteria of asylum, right? way I see it, we either do something about Venezuela's government, or let the people in. neither are popular choices. Welp. Biden just loosened the restrictions on that non democratic/oppressive government. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
All_Pro_Bills Posted November 3, 2023 Share Posted November 3, 2023 15 minutes ago, Tiberius said: Running away from the brutal dictatorship in Venezuela would meet the criteria of asylum, right? way I see it, we either do something about Venezuela's government, or let the people in. neither are popular choices. Biden is doing something. He's making a deal with Venezuela for more oil and easing financial restrictions on that "brutal dictatorship" which concerns you so but apparently bothers our current President and his administration not one bit. Did you miss that? An alternative strategy to meet our needs would have been to get additional oil supplies from Canada. Of course immediately killing Keystone after the inauguration makes that option difficult. And now with the completion of construction of additional capacity on the Trans Mountain pipeline from Alberta to Vancouver in 2024 most of that oil is destined for Asia. Stupid political decisions do have real life consequence after all. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommy Callahan Posted November 3, 2023 Share Posted November 3, 2023 1 minute ago, All_Pro_Bills said: Biden is doing something. He's making a deal with Venezuela for more oil and easing financial restrictions on that "brutal dictatorship" which concerns you so but apparently bothers our current President and his administration not one bit. Did you miss that? An alternative strategy to meet our needs would have been to get additional oil supplies from Canada. Of course immediately killing Keystone after the inauguration makes that option difficult. And now with the completion of construction of additional capacity on the Trans Mountain pipeline from Alberta to Vancouver in 2024 most of that oil is destined for Asia. Stupid political decisions do have real life consequence after all. Same media would be nailing the last dude or any Republican for appeasing dictators. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillStime Posted November 3, 2023 Share Posted November 3, 2023 6 minutes ago, All_Pro_Bills said: Biden is doing something. He's making a deal with Venezuela for more oil and easing financial restrictions on that "brutal dictatorship" which concerns you so but apparently bothers our current President and his administration not one bit. Did you miss that? An alternative strategy to meet our needs would have been to get additional oil supplies from Canada. Of course immediately killing Keystone after the inauguration makes that option difficult. And now with the completion of construction of additional capacity on the Trans Mountain pipeline from Alberta to Vancouver in 2024 most of that oil is destined for Asia. Stupid political decisions do have real life consequence after all. And Trump ignored the million plus Uighurs and other ethnic groups in internment camps to pursue trade deal in China that he lost. Trump gave Chinese President Xi Jinping the green light on building the camps in its western region, with the US leader saying it was "exactly the right thing to do". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommy Callahan Posted November 3, 2023 Share Posted November 3, 2023 1 minute ago, BillStime said: And Trump ignored the million plus Uighurs and other ethnic groups in internment camps to pursue trade deal in China that he lost. Trump gave Chinese President Xi Jinping the green light on building the camps in its western region, with the US leader saying it was "exactly the right thing to do". Mr Bolton had alleged that at a summit last year Mr Trump gave Chinese President Xi Jinping the green light on building the camps in its western region, with the US leader saying it was "exactly the right thing to do". Mr Trump denies the allegation. LMAO. did you mean to mention how the Chinese are doing an actual genocide to the Muslim Uighurs. Cause the MSM jumps through hoops to avoid or discredit that story. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillStime Posted November 3, 2023 Share Posted November 3, 2023 4 minutes ago, Tommy Callahan said: Mr Bolton had alleged that at a summit last year Mr Trump gave Chinese President Xi Jinping the green light on building the camps in its western region, with the US leader saying it was "exactly the right thing to do". Mr Trump denies the allegation. LMAO. did you mean to mention how the Chinese are doing an actual genocide to the Muslim Uighurs. Cause the MSM jumps through hoops to avoid or discredit that story. Consider this - Trump accumulated 30,573 false statements over the course of his 4-year administration, and that's not even accounting for any since his departure from the White House. If Bolton is indeed fabricating tales, wouldn't Trump have logically pursued a libel suit against him? Do you ever get tired of cleaning up EVERY mess Trump makes? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommy Callahan Posted November 3, 2023 Share Posted November 3, 2023 (edited) LOL as your source War monger Boltons book. You got a copy? Edited November 3, 2023 by Tommy Callahan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillStime Posted November 3, 2023 Share Posted November 3, 2023 8 minutes ago, Tommy Callahan said: LOL as your source War monger Boltons book. You got a copy? Too afraid to answer the question? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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