Unforgiven Posted April 29, 2021 Share Posted April 29, 2021 34 minutes ago, aristocrat said: I already mentioned I was wrong. I was banned because a guy a used a slur against special needs people which hit home with my family and I went a little off the handle. But like I said. 7300 incidents in a country of 400 million is an extremely low percentage of incidents. Hard to make the claim we're racist when it happens so rarely. Using statistics is a hate crime, as well as raysis. Well soon to be. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted April 29, 2021 Share Posted April 29, 2021 25 minutes ago, Melon said: You said hate crimes went down last year. They went up. All violent crime went up. And I’m not sure wtf unhateful violent crime even is. this is all a manufactured crisis to rally the vote and mana fest control. New federal police force coming soon. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aristocrat Posted April 29, 2021 Share Posted April 29, 2021 Just now, Melon said: Whine some more, please. I never made that claim. I claimed that you said publicly advocating for equality while laughing about it in private did not exist. You actually called it "a fantasy land." So publily they're supporting policy that helps minorites but at home they're racist. So in the end minorities are treated equally but some ass is sitting at home pouting about it but doesn't actually hurt minorities? That's quite an argument. Not exactly sure what to do with that. It's like a fantasy land for someone who is desperate for racism to exist. It is fantasy land. How many people exactly are in their basements doing this? I would like an exact number. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted April 29, 2021 Share Posted April 29, 2021 1 hour ago, Melon said: Agree to disagree Go Bills So you're saying it's not rare. Medium rare, well done? Sorry Chef humor. But seriously if it's not rare how widespread is it? I wouldn't say it's rare either but I also don't think it's systemic. That term has been thrown out there constantly with little of no proof it's systemic in any aspect of life. 1 hour ago, Melon said: They are according to the FBI Can you provide the numbers from 2020? I can't find them on the FBI website, but you claim they went down last year. Hate crimes involve a lot more than just race. But you knew that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melon Posted April 29, 2021 Share Posted April 29, 2021 3 minutes ago, aristocrat said: It is fantasy land. How many people exactly are in their basements doing this? I would like an exact number. A systemic amount Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aristocrat Posted April 29, 2021 Share Posted April 29, 2021 Just now, Melon said: A systemic amount Give me a number. Anything other than a number you can prove is in fact fantasy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted April 29, 2021 Share Posted April 29, 2021 (edited) 2 minutes ago, aristocrat said: Give me a number. Anything other than a number you can prove is in fact fantasy. They have no idea. It’s just what they’ve been told. They have no choice but to believe it. Just like throwing Virgins into volcanos. Me no wanna make volcano angry. System no like brown people. The useful idiots must replicate the message like a virus. Edited April 29, 2021 by Over 29 years of fanhood Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unforgiven Posted April 29, 2021 Share Posted April 29, 2021 13 hours ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said: I love how Joe is talking about how all the corporations that donated to his campaign are going finally pay their fair share 🙄 You’re right that’s even more fitting for you. Appreciate the support Democrats been screwing over their voters for decades...they seem pretty masochistic 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted April 29, 2021 Share Posted April 29, 2021 1 minute ago, Unforgiven said: Democrats been screwing over their voters for decades...they seem pretty masochistic So have the Rs. They need to get rid of political parties. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted April 29, 2021 Author Share Posted April 29, 2021 1 minute ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said: So have the Rs. They need to get rid of political parties. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melon Posted April 29, 2021 Share Posted April 29, 2021 (edited) 22 minutes ago, aristocrat said: Give me a number. Impossible to prove but it's systemic 20 minutes ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said: They have no idea. It’s just what they’ve been told. been told Experienced Edited April 29, 2021 by Melon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted April 29, 2021 Author Share Posted April 29, 2021 Read Republican Sen. Tim Scott's response to Biden's address to Congress https://www.cnn.com/2021/04/28/politics/tim-scott-response-transcript/index.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unforgiven Posted April 29, 2021 Share Posted April 29, 2021 AP FACT CHECK: Biden skews record on migrants; GOP on virus https://www.yahoo.com/news/ap-fact-check-claims-bidens-022008440.html Uh oh...AP actually fact checking Joe? A look at some of the claims: IMMIGRATION BIDEN: “If you believe in a pathway to citizenship, pass (immigration legislation) so over 11 million undocumented folks, the vast majority who are here overstaying visas, pass it.” THE FACTS: He's making an unsubstantiated claim. There is no official count of how many people entered the country legally and overstayed visas. The government estimates that 11.4 million were living in the country illegally as of January 2018 but doesn’t distinguish between how many entered legally and stayed after their visas expired and how many arrived illegally. Robert Warren of the Center for Migration Studies of New York, a former director of the Immigration and Naturalization Service’s statistics division who has studied visa overstays for decades, has done the most recent work on the issue. He estimated that, as of 2018, 46% of people in the country illegally overstayed visas — not a majority, let alone a “vast majority.” ___ BIDEN: “When I was vice president, the president asked me to focus on providing help needed to address the root causes of migration. And it helped keep people in their own countries instead of being forced to leave. The plan was working, but the last administration decided it was not worth it. I’m restoring the program and I asked Vice President Harris to lead our diplomatic effort to take care of this.” THE FACTS: That’s wrong. Biden led Obama’s efforts to address a spike in migration from Central America, but poverty and violence have been endemic for decades. Hundreds of millions of dollars of U.S. aid have gone to Central America annually, even during Donald Trump’s presidency, but migration from Mexico and Central America has continued unabated with periodic spikes. In March, the number of unaccompanied children encountered by U.S. border authorities reached nearly 19,000, the highest number on record in the third major surge of families and children from Central America since 2014 under both Democratic and Republican administrations. Biden championed aid during what Obama called “a humanitarian crisis” of Central American children at the border in 2014. But while assistance fell under Trump, hundreds of millions of dollars have flowed in every year. Biden has proposed $861 million in Central American aid next year as a first installment on a $4 billion plan, compared with annual outlays of between $506 million and $750 million over the previous six years. ___ SPENDING BIDEN, on his economic proposals: “There’s a broad consensus of economists — left, right, center — and they agree that what I’m proposing will help create millions of jobs and generate historic economic growth.” THE FACTS: He’s glossing over the naysayers. Some economists, also bridging the ideological spectrum, say he’s spending too much or in the wrong way. Biden’s pandemic relief plan did enjoy some bipartisan support, even getting a general seal of approval from Kevin Hassett, who was Trump’s chief economist. But his policies have also drawn bipartisan criticism. For one, Larry Summers, who was Barack Obama’s top economist and Bill Clinton’s treasury secretary, warned that Biden’s relief package risks rates of inflation not seen in a generation. Biden’s latest proposals on infrastructure and families would require substantial tax increases on corporations and wealthy investors — leading to criticism by many CEOs and more conservative economists that growth could be compromised. Biden’s economics team says the resulting programs and infrastructure would boost growth. The plan to increase capital gains taxes drew the scorn of Douglas Holtz-Eakin, a former director of the Congressional Budget Office and Republican adviser. He said the White House is wrong to focus on the sliver of people being taxed and what matters is how much of the economy would be taxed. “The wealth taxes are a draconian tax on the annual return to that capital,” he said. “What matters is the amount of economic activity that is taxed, not the number of people.” ___ BIDEN: “We kept our commitment, Democrats and Republicans, sending $1,400 rescue checks to 85% of all American households.” THE FACTS: Republicans made no such commitment. Republicans in both the U.S. Senate and House opposed the bill containing the $1,400 stimulus checks, known as the American Rescue Plan, portraying it as too big and too bloated. All but one Democrat supported the legislation. While no Republicans voted for this year’s coronavirus bill, they supported sending checks to Americans in previous rounds of relief legislation. A relief law passed with overwhelming bipartisan support in December, when Trump was still president, provided $600 checks to many Americans. Some Republicans have boasted to their constituents about programs created by the coronavirus bill despite voting against it. ___ DRUG PRICES BIDEN, arguing that Congress should authorize Medicare to negotiate prescription drug prices. “And by the way, that won’t just help people on Medicare — it will lower prescription drug costs for everyone.” THE FACTS: That may be a bit of wishful thinking. Under House Speaker Nancy Pelosi’s bill, private insurers that cover working-age Americans and their families would indeed be able to get the same discounts as Medicare. But while Pelosi should be able to drive her legislation through the House, the situation in the Senate is different. If just a few Democratic senators have qualms about her expansive approach, Biden may have to settle for less. So there’s no guarantee that a final bill would lower prescription drug costs for everyone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melon Posted April 29, 2021 Share Posted April 29, 2021 Now the lemmings love the media Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted April 29, 2021 Share Posted April 29, 2021 24 minutes ago, Melon said: Impossible to prove but it's systemic been told Experienced Please explain 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted April 29, 2021 Share Posted April 29, 2021 13 minutes ago, Unforgiven said: AP FACT CHECK: Biden skews record on migrants; GOP on virus https://www.yahoo.com/news/ap-fact-check-claims-bidens-022008440.html Uh oh...AP actually fact checking Joe? A look at some of the claims: IMMIGRATION BIDEN: “If you believe in a pathway to citizenship, pass (immigration legislation) so over 11 million undocumented folks, the vast majority who are here overstaying visas, pass it.” THE FACTS: He's making an unsubstantiated claim. There is no official count of how many people entered the country legally and overstayed visas. The government estimates that 11.4 million were living in the country illegally as of January 2018 but doesn’t distinguish between how many entered legally and stayed after their visas expired and how many arrived illegally. Robert Warren of the Center for Migration Studies of New York, a former director of the Immigration and Naturalization Service’s statistics division who has studied visa overstays for decades, has done the most recent work on the issue. He estimated that, as of 2018, 46% of people in the country illegally overstayed visas — not a majority, let alone a “vast majority.” ___ BIDEN: “When I was vice president, the president asked me to focus on providing help needed to address the root causes of migration. And it helped keep people in their own countries instead of being forced to leave. The plan was working, but the last administration decided it was not worth it. I’m restoring the program and I asked Vice President Harris to lead our diplomatic effort to take care of this.” THE FACTS: That’s wrong. Biden led Obama’s efforts to address a spike in migration from Central America, but poverty and violence have been endemic for decades. Hundreds of millions of dollars of U.S. aid have gone to Central America annually, even during Donald Trump’s presidency, but migration from Mexico and Central America has continued unabated with periodic spikes. In March, the number of unaccompanied children encountered by U.S. border authorities reached nearly 19,000, the highest number on record in the third major surge of families and children from Central America since 2014 under both Democratic and Republican administrations. Biden championed aid during what Obama called “a humanitarian crisis” of Central American children at the border in 2014. But while assistance fell under Trump, hundreds of millions of dollars have flowed in every year. Biden has proposed $861 million in Central American aid next year as a first installment on a $4 billion plan, compared with annual outlays of between $506 million and $750 million over the previous six years. ___ SPENDING BIDEN, on his economic proposals: “There’s a broad consensus of economists — left, right, center — and they agree that what I’m proposing will help create millions of jobs and generate historic economic growth.” THE FACTS: He’s glossing over the naysayers. Some economists, also bridging the ideological spectrum, say he’s spending too much or in the wrong way. Biden’s pandemic relief plan did enjoy some bipartisan support, even getting a general seal of approval from Kevin Hassett, who was Trump’s chief economist. But his policies have also drawn bipartisan criticism. For one, Larry Summers, who was Barack Obama’s top economist and Bill Clinton’s treasury secretary, warned that Biden’s relief package risks rates of inflation not seen in a generation. Biden’s latest proposals on infrastructure and families would require substantial tax increases on corporations and wealthy investors — leading to criticism by many CEOs and more conservative economists that growth could be compromised. Biden’s economics team says the resulting programs and infrastructure would boost growth. The plan to increase capital gains taxes drew the scorn of Douglas Holtz-Eakin, a former director of the Congressional Budget Office and Republican adviser. He said the White House is wrong to focus on the sliver of people being taxed and what matters is how much of the economy would be taxed. “The wealth taxes are a draconian tax on the annual return to that capital,” he said. “What matters is the amount of economic activity that is taxed, not the number of people.” ___ BIDEN: “We kept our commitment, Democrats and Republicans, sending $1,400 rescue checks to 85% of all American households.” THE FACTS: Republicans made no such commitment. Republicans in both the U.S. Senate and House opposed the bill containing the $1,400 stimulus checks, known as the American Rescue Plan, portraying it as too big and too bloated. All but one Democrat supported the legislation. While no Republicans voted for this year’s coronavirus bill, they supported sending checks to Americans in previous rounds of relief legislation. A relief law passed with overwhelming bipartisan support in December, when Trump was still president, provided $600 checks to many Americans. Some Republicans have boasted to their constituents about programs created by the coronavirus bill despite voting against it. ___ DRUG PRICES BIDEN, arguing that Congress should authorize Medicare to negotiate prescription drug prices. “And by the way, that won’t just help people on Medicare — it will lower prescription drug costs for everyone.” THE FACTS: That may be a bit of wishful thinking. Under House Speaker Nancy Pelosi’s bill, private insurers that cover working-age Americans and their families would indeed be able to get the same discounts as Medicare. But while Pelosi should be able to drive her legislation through the House, the situation in the Senate is different. If just a few Democratic senators have qualms about her expansive approach, Biden may have to settle for less. So there’s no guarantee that a final bill would lower prescription drug costs for everyone. Why would anyone here illegally want to be a citizen. You can already vote and get hand outs but it’s easier to evade taxes and you won’t risk getting drafted to go fight a political war in some impoverished nation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aristocrat Posted April 29, 2021 Share Posted April 29, 2021 30 minutes ago, Melon said: Impossible to prove but it's systemic been told Experienced Ok, so you have some imaginary number of people in their basements spewing racist bs. In fact, as you said it's unproven that number could be zero. Now i am a reasonable enough person to know that it is not zero. Now, all these Dr's, lawyers, paramedics as you said are doing this in private but in public are acting like a normal person should. So they really have no effect on a minority person do they? If they privately spew bull#### they are in fact racist and two faced ***** people but if it's left at home it really has no effect on minorities does it? Btw this is your argument....that people are privately doing this. I just want to be very clear I am not defending them for doing it in private I am just trying to understand how it would effect someone if they in fact do not face it. This is your fantasy....all these people being all racist in their basements but apparently not doing it publicly. You have no way of proving it actually exists but you claim it's some huge number. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan89 Posted April 29, 2021 Share Posted April 29, 2021 25 minutes ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said: Why would anyone here illegally want to be a citizen. You can already vote and get hand outs but it’s easier to evade taxes and you won’t risk getting drafted to go fight a political war in some impoverished nation. You can't "get hand outs" or vote if you are an illegal immigrant. You can't collect welfare or any public assistance/benefits without a social security number. The only public resources that illegals get access to are hospitals (call me crazy but we shouldn't just let people in a medical emergency die) and schooling (call me crazy again but we shouldn't have children not being educated esp since most likely they are only in the country because of their parents.) Now those aren't insignificant costs and you can debate wither or not those costs are burdensome compared to the labor, consumption taxes, other non-income taxes and economic activity they generate but do not act like they are able to collect on public benefits or have such a sweet deal. Having deportation hanging over the head of you are your families lives daily along with not being able to have other rights is not a cherry deal. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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reddogblitz Posted April 29, 2021 Share Posted April 29, 2021 15 hours ago, BillStime said: So nice to have an American President Shining city on a hill? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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