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[Joe Ferguson forever]

19 minutes ago, sherpa said:

 

And the lie gets repeated again.

 

splain...I realized that I talked only to English speaking Turks on election day there.  Thinking about it, it's likely similar there to the US:  Largely the educated versus the uneducated.  Is that your experience in your extensive travels?

[Tiberius]

A historic event occurred at the end of April: According to estimates from the United Nations, India, with more than 1.4 billion people, surpassed China in population. 

[Joe Ferguson forever]

23 minutes ago, Roundybout said:

 

 

Military coup incoming, I fear 

I hope not.  Hopefully this is a harbinger of the next US election and the Turkish runoff.  A global rejection of the far right...perhaps the UK can undo Brexit but it will be difficult.

Edited May 15, 2023 by redtail hawk

[sherpa]

22 minutes ago, redtail hawk said:

splain...I realized that I talked only to English speaking Turks on election day there.  Thinking about it, it's likely similar there to the US:  Largely the educated versus the uneducated.  Is that your experience in your extensive travels?

 

I quoted your claim that Trump said the oft repeated lie that he was talking about neo Nazis or white supremacist's when claiming there were "good people on both sides..."

He didn't,  and he called the behavior of those two groups despicable twice in that answer.

This lie gets repeated over and over on this site, and has been addressed in detail many times.

 

As an aside, it is nonsense like that claim that empowers pro Trump folks to believe the disingenuous nature of these claims is intentional, and victimizes him.

 

To your question which is unrelated to my quote, I have no interest in posting my views based on "extensive travels," unless it involves a situation I am quite familiar with.

These "extensive travels" have taught me that is is idiotic to claim valid opinion based on tourist visits.

In my mind you can't know a country until you have lived in the culture, and not really well until you have raised kids there.

 

 

[Roundybout]

30 minutes ago, redtail hawk said:

I hope not.  Hopefully this is a harbinger of the next US election and the Turkish runoff.  A global rejection of the far right...perhaps the UK can undo Brexit but it will be difficult.

I hope not either, I’m just concerned about the backlash from the establishment over there. 

[Tommy Callahan]

43 minutes ago, redtail hawk said:

I hope not.  Hopefully this is a harbinger of the next US election and the Turkish runoff.  A global rejection of the far right...perhaps the UK can undo Brexit but it will be difficult.

Hard right.  Like a global non elected group controlling peoples lives/government policy.  If right being authoritarian.

[Doc]

22 minutes ago, sherpa said:

I quoted your claim that Trump said the oft repeated lie that he was talking about neo Nazis or white supremacist's when claiming there were "good people on both sides..."

He didn't,  and he called the behavior of those two groups despicable twice in that answer.

This lie gets repeated over and over on this site, and has been addressed in detail many times.

 

As an aside, it is nonsense like that claim that empowers pro Trump folks to believe the disingenuous nature of these claims is intentional, and victimizes him.

 

To your question which is unrelated to my quote, I have no interest in posting my views based on "extensive travels," unless it involves a situation I am quite familiar with.

These "extensive travels" have taught me that is is idiotic to claim valid opinion based on tourist visits.

In my mind you can't know a country until you have lived in the culture, and not really well until you have raised kids there.

 

What, stopping in a port, visiting the tourist traps and speaking with locals who just happen to be there doesn't give you complete knowledge or the workings of a country?  Amazing.

Edited May 15, 2023 by Doc

[BillsFanNC]

1 hour ago, sherpa said:

 

And the lie gets repeated again.

 

 

The lie that he not too long ago was forced to acknowledge was indeed a lie.

 

And here she is back repeating it once again.

 

It's almost like they aren't capable of honest discussions or something. 

[Tiberius]

31 minutes ago, sherpa said:

 

I quoted your claim that Trump said the oft repeated lie that he was talking about neo Nazis or white supremacist's when claiming there were "good people on both sides..."

He didn't,  and he called the behavior of those two groups despicable twice in that answer.

This lie gets repeated over and over on this site, and has been addressed in detail many times.

 

 

 

He's the guy who is going to pardon the "fine people" that stormed the capital building. Ya, poor Trump was taken out of context, ya sure 

[Joe Ferguson forever]

1 hour ago, sherpa said:

 

I quoted your claim that Trump said the oft repeated lie that he was talking about neo Nazis or white supremacist's when claiming there were "good people on both sides..."

He didn't,  and he called the behavior of those two groups despicable twice in that answer.

This lie gets repeated over and over on this site, and has been addressed in detail many times.

 

As an aside, it is nonsense like that claim that empowers pro Trump folks to believe the disingenuous nature of these claims is intentional, and victimizes him.

 

To your question which is unrelated to my quote, I have no interest in posting my views based on "extensive travels," unless it involves a situation I am quite familiar with.

These "extensive travels" have taught me that is is idiotic to claim valid opinion based on tourist visits.

In my mind you can't know a country until you have lived in the culture, and not really well until you have raised kids there.

 

 

So why no comment?  I'll look for foreign demographic data when I'm back home.  Confident it's true, just as it is here.

 

And as I said, no one with any sense believes a word trump says.  He's lied so many times that when he talks, he's more likely to be lying than telling the truth.  Orwellian double speak....

45 minutes ago, Doc said:

 

What, stopping in a port, visiting the tourist traps and speaking with locals who just happen to be there doesn't give you complete knowledge or the workings of a country?  Amazing.

yes, Ephesus is a tourist trap😃.  One of the most amazing places I've ever seen but it's about history and you're clearly not interested.  The guides I spoke with were all very bright and our own guide, college educated and extremely bright and knowledgable.  Just for fun do u know where the phrase bull market originated?  How bout the Nike swoosh.  Just fun facts that people interested in history like.  Nevermind...

Edited May 15, 2023 by redtail hawk

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

1 hour ago, redtail hawk said:

splain...I realized that I talked only to English speaking Turks on election day there.  Thinking about it, it's likely similar there to the US:  Largely the educated versus the uneducated.  Is that your experience in your extensive travels?

Speaking of lies.. of course you have been gaslit and the stats are often represented in a way to satisfy this, but reality is;

 

college educated population =~30%
the voting tendency is right around 50/50 for the last several elections.
 

It’s why the statisticians focus on white college females vs uneducated white males to try and spin the faux narrative that “if you have an education of course you must be a democrat.”
 

also in a capitalist society income is really a much better gage of education and success. Anyone can get a basket weaving degree then work the counter at jiffy lube their whole career or get an mrs degree etc. 
 

but when you make just six figures, which seems like a modest floor, overwhelmingly R, when under overwhelmingly D. And it just shifts further from there ironically. I suspect because they favor the ones who at least pretend they will steal less of their money. And the ones under stand to get more in redistribution. 

 

 

https://www.statista.com/statistics/1184428/presidential-election-exit-polls-share-votes-income-us/

 

Edited May 15, 2023 by Over 29 years of fanhood

[Orlando Buffalo]

3 hours ago, redtail hawk said:

really.  who exactly?  For what reason were any in that group in Charlottesville.  Why do you defend an obvious racist?  It's you, not me turning logic into pretzels to believe the lies trump says repeatedly.  What he says is meaningless (remember bleach for covid- sure you do but he didn't really mean right?).  What he does is what matters.

 

a few good examples of his duplicity:

https://www.politico.eu/article/15-most-offensive-things-trump-campaign-feminism-migration-racism/

Bleach for COVID? Please stop stating you were a doctor because clearly you were not, your lack of understanding of even basic pharmaceutical concepts is insulting to anyone who went to school. Trump suggesting injecting a disinfectant is help kill COVID because of the effectiveness on surfaces, at no point did he suggest  bleach. You clearly would have been an anti-Lister kind of doc back in the day.

And then I see the disinfectant, where it knocks it out in one minute. And is there a way we can do something like that, by injection inside or almost a cleaning, because you see it gets in the lungs and it does a tremendous number on the lungs, so it’d be interesting to check that, so that you’re going to have to use medical doctors with, but it sounds interesting to me. So, we’ll see, but the whole concept of the light, the way it kills it in one minute. That’s pretty powerful

Edited May 15, 2023 by Orlando Tim

[Joe Ferguson forever]

43 minutes ago, Orlando Tim said:

Bleach for COVID? Please stop stating you were a doctor because clearly you were not, your lack of understanding of even basic pharmaceutical concepts is insulting to anyone who went to school. Trump suggesting injecting a disinfectant is help kill COVID because of the effectiveness on surfaces, at no point did he suggest  bleach. You clearly would have been an anti-Lister kind of doc back in the day.

And then I see the disinfectant, where it knocks it out in one minute. And is there a way we can do something like that, by injection inside or almost a cleaning, because you see it gets in the lungs and it does a tremendous number on the lungs, so it’d be interesting to check that, so that you’re going to have to use medical doctors with, but it sounds interesting to me. So, we’ll see, but the whole concept of the light, the way it kills it in one minute. That’s pretty powerful

OMG...light inside?  Does a tremendous number.  Maybe there's someway we can get it inside.  You idiots are in total denial but that's what you do.  What he actually says isn't what he means, right?  Implausible deniability is his trademark and you morons fall for it.  Why?  But I guess you'r teacher training taught that injecting disinfectants is a new form of ID treatment.  My Medical training did not.  trump is ignorant.

 

Edited May 15, 2023 by redtail hawk

[Joe Ferguson forever]

1 hour ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said:

Speaking of lies.. of course you have been gaslit and the stats are often represented in a way to satisfy this, but reality is;

 

college educated population =~30%
the voting tendency is right around 50/50 for the last several elections.
 

It’s why the statisticians focus on white college females vs uneducated white males to try and spin the faux narrative that “if you have an education of course you must be a democrat.”
 

also in a capitalist society income is really a much better gage of education and success. Anyone can get a basket weaving degree then work the counter at jiffy lube their whole career or get an mrs degree etc. 
 

but when you make just six figures, which seems like a modest floor, overwhelmingly R, when under overwhelmingly D. And it just shifts further from there ironically. I suspect because they favor the ones who at least pretend they will steal less of their money. And the ones under stand to get more in redistribution. 

 

 

https://www.statista.com/statistics/1184428/presidential-election-exit-polls-share-votes-income-us/

 

Paywall here in Europe.  But not for this.  EDUCATION dude.  The higher the level, the greater the margin for Biden.  Look at the second table.

https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2021/06/30/behind-bidens-2020-victory/

 

This was also true in 2016 and 2018.  But ignore facts.  It's what you all do...

 

Also this:  "College graduates made up 39% of all voters in 2020 (about the same as in 2016) but only 17% of nonvoters. Adults with a high school education or less were 29% of all voters but half of nonvoters."  And those making over $100k constituted only 18% of voters.  All at the bottom of page 1 in the link.  btw, the pew data is from validated voters, not exit polls so should be more meaningful.

Edited May 15, 2023 by redtail hawk

[Tommy Callahan]

22 minutes ago, redtail hawk said:

Paywall here in Europe.  But not for this.  EDUCATION dude.  The higher the level, the greater the margin for Biden.  Look at the second table.

https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2021/06/30/behind-bidens-2020-victory/

 

This was also true in 2016 and 2018.  But ignore facts.  It's what you all do...

 

Also this:  "College graduates made up 39% of all voters in 2020 (about the same as in 2016) but only 17% of nonvoters. Adults with a high school education or less were 29% of all voters but half of nonvoters."  And those making over $100k constituted only 18% of voters.  All at the bottom of page 1 in the link.  btw, the pew data is from validated voters, not exit polls so should be more meaningful.

This analysis is based on a survey of 11,818 members of Pew Research Center’s American Trends Panel conducted Nov. 12-17, 2020, shortly after the general election. It also draws on surveys conducted among 10,640 panelists from Nov. 7-16, 2018, after the midterm election that year and 4,183 panelists from Nov. 29 to Dec. 12, 2016,

 

 

[Joe Ferguson forever]

2 minutes ago, Chris farley said:

This analysis is based on a survey of 11,818 members of Pew Research Center’s American Trends Panel conducted Nov. 12-17, 2020, shortly after the general election. It also draws on surveys conducted among 10,640 panelists from Nov. 7-16, 2018, after the midterm election that year and 4,183 panelists from Nov. 29 to Dec. 12, 2016,

 

 

And...are you aware of a demographic analysis that looked at AL verified voters?  pls link.

Edited May 15, 2023 by redtail hawk

[Tommy Callahan]

1 minute ago, redtail hawk said:

And...are you aware of a demographic analysis that looked at AL verified voters?  pls link.

I'm aware that there is no way to validate it.  I'm also aware of the self reported college gap in polling.   About 14.3% of adults had an advanced degree in 2021.  Maybe a little bit higher now 

But most self reporting polling shows advanced degree in the 50% range.  Across the board. 

 

 

 

 

[Joe Ferguson forever]

1 minute ago, Chris farley said:

I'm aware that there is no way to validate it.  I'm also aware of the self reported college gap in polling.   About 14.3% of adults had an advanced degree in 2021.  Maybe a little bit higher now 

But most self reporting polling shows advanced degree in the 50% range.  Across the board. 

 

There wasn't a national election in 2021.  Pls link polling from 2020 so we can directly compare.

1 minute ago, Chris farley said:

 

 

 

 

[sherpa]

"And I was talking about people that went because they felt very strongly about the monument to Robert E. Lee, a great general."

 

"There were very fine people on both sides, & I'm not talking about the Neo-nazis and white supremacists because they should be condemned totally."

 

"You’re changing history. You’re changing culture. And you had people — and I’m not talking about the neo-Nazis and the white nationalists — because they should be condemned totally. But you had many people in that group other than neo-Nazis and white nationalists."

 

I get that hitting Tibs with a baseball bat wouldn't matter, as has been done so many times.

 

But for God's sake can you Trump haters stop diminishing your argument by failing to acknowledge the truth?

 

It is complete ignorance and counter productive.

 

[Roundybout]

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