TroutDog Posted January 3, 2021 Share Posted January 3, 2021 20 minutes ago, MJS said: Nope. All the examples put together. https://www.mlive.com/fantasysports/2009/12/penalties_dont_correlate_to_wi.html https://saturdayblitz.com/2020/09/24/college-football-penalty-yardage-affect-wins/ https://www.footballoutsiders.com/stat-analysis/2003/are-penalties-overrated https://www.teamspeedkills.com/2010/8/27/1653619/penalties-dont-matter-much Good data but does it include when flags were thrown, a’la third down, red zone, etc? I have not read all of your links so just asking. Not sure if they measure how many TD’s called back, but that would be interesting. In addition, looking specifically at NE*** flags for and against in the time frame in question. Easy to mask things if you spread the data set out enough. Just some basic questions I ask when given some data. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Watkins101 Posted January 3, 2021 Share Posted January 3, 2021 38 minutes ago, MJS said: Nope. All the examples put together. https://www.mlive.com/fantasysports/2009/12/penalties_dont_correlate_to_wi.html https://saturdayblitz.com/2020/09/24/college-football-penalty-yardage-affect-wins/ https://www.footballoutsiders.com/stat-analysis/2003/are-penalties-overrated https://www.teamspeedkills.com/2010/8/27/1653619/penalties-dont-matter-much Okay, the statement you had seemed to be implying the sole reason backing it up was the 2020 bills, glad you have more substantial evidence 👍 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freddie's Dead Posted January 3, 2021 Share Posted January 3, 2021 The reffing this year has been brutally bad on all sides. Is there a penalties/play stat? I would guess the Bills rank much better on that stat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted January 3, 2021 Share Posted January 3, 2021 (edited) 11 hours ago, TroutDog said: Good data but does it include when flags were thrown, a’la third down, red zone, etc? I have not read all of your links so just asking. Not sure if they measure how many TD’s called back, but that would be interesting. In addition, looking specifically at NE*** flags for and against in the time frame in question. Easy to mask things if you spread the data set out enough. Just some basic questions I ask when given some data. I haven't dug super into it myself. I just know I've seen multiple sources support that penalties don't equate to winning or losing. Edited January 3, 2021 by MJS 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Virgil Posted January 3, 2021 Share Posted January 3, 2021 8 hours ago, Gugny said: This actually surprised me, as I don't feel like they've been flagged a ton in most games this season. I was REALLY (not really) shocked to see that New England has the fewest penalties in the league. A lot of other playoff teams are right up there with the Bills, so I'm not quite sure exactly what it means. Just found it interesting. https://www.footballdb.com/stats/penalties.html?sort=numpen https://www.teamrankings.com/nfl/stat/penalties-per-game I wish there were a graph that shows the trend from week to week throughout the season. I think this is something we’ve gotten much better with, but am too lazy to look up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QLBillsFan Posted January 3, 2021 Share Posted January 3, 2021 (edited) 8 hours ago, Gugny said: This actually surprised me, as I don't feel like they've been flagged a ton in most games this season. I was REALLY (not really) shocked to see that New England has the fewest penalties in the league. A lot of other playoff teams are right up there with the Bills, so I'm not quite sure exactly what it means. Just found it interesting. https://www.footballdb.com/stats/penalties.html?sort=numpen https://www.teamrankings.com/nfl/stat/penalties-per-game So we are always told that generally more talented and disciplined teams have fewer penalties. How is it that Pats have 10 fewer penalties then any other team? Bills and KC almost double. After the neck tackle by the OT on Cam’s TD run I think we know the Hoodie and pan to Kraft have to factor in 🤷🏻♂️ Edited January 3, 2021 by QLBillsFan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted January 3, 2021 Share Posted January 3, 2021 The scary thing is the offense is so good and they gobble up chunks of yardage so easily that it typically doesn't have any effect on them. 3rd in yards per drive, 2nd in points per drive, 2nd in drive success rate, 2nd in time of possession per drive... https://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/nfl/overall-drive-statsoff/2020 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eball Posted January 3, 2021 Share Posted January 3, 2021 The number of penalties as a whole doesn’t tell us much. How many are pre-snap (i.e., undisciplined/unprepared) vs. post-snap? How many undisciplined personal fouls? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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