Police Terrorism Group

[BullBuchanan]

1 hour ago, All_Pro_Bills said:

A black police officer tasers and arrests a white women for not wearing a mask outside at a middle school football game in Ohio.  Is this motivated by racism?  Reverse this to white cop/black women you'd be damn sure it would make every evening network news show as another police bias incident.  Thankfully, the other 10 people in attendance did not start a riot or any fires. 

 

Of course not, it's about power and control. At no point did I make a claim that police exclusively exist to be a racist organization. They exclusive exists to be a violent terrorist organization, that happens to be racist an awful lot. Thanks for proving my point about the violence though. Got any more stories?

59 minutes ago, 3rdnlng said:

https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/16104/antifa-history

 

• Empirical and anecdotal evidence shows that Antifa is, in fact, highly networked, well-funded and has a global presence. It has a flat organizational structure with dozens and possibly hundreds of local groups.

• Antifa's stated long-term objective, both in America and abroad, is to establish a communist world order. In the United States, Antifa's immediate aim is to bring about the demise of the Trump administration.

• A common tactic used by Antifa in the United States and Europe is to employ extreme violence and destruction of public and private property to goad the police into a reaction, which then "proves" Antifa's claim that the government is "fascist."

• Antifa is not only officially tolerated, but is being paid by the German government to fight the far right. — Bettina Röhl, German journalist, Neue Zürcher Zeitung, June 2, 2020.

"Out of cowardice, its members cover their faces and keep their names secret. Antifa constantly threatens violence and attacks against politicians and police officers. It promotes senseless damage to property amounting to vast sums." — Bettina Röhl, Neue Zürcher Zeitung, June 2, 2020.

 

U.S. Attorney General William Barr has blamed Antifa — a militant "anti-fascist" movement — for the violence that has erupted at George Floyd protests across the United States. "The violence instigated and carried out by Antifa and other similar groups in connection with the rioting is domestic terrorism and will be treated accordingly," he said.

Barr also said that the federal government has evidence that Antifa "hijacked" legitimate protests around the country to "engage in lawlessness, violent rioting, arson, looting of businesses, and public property assaults on law enforcement officers and innocent people, and even the murder of a federal agent." Earlier, U.S. President Donald J. Trump had instructed the U.S. Justice Department to

designate Antifa as a terrorist organization.

 

lol, nice Qanon story.

Here's the real ANTIFA

 

Edited September 24, 2020 by BullBuchanan

[BullBuchanan]

More of the "vast majority of great cops"
 

 

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

22 hours ago, BullBuchanan said:

What set the tone? the 13 pages of people murdered and assaulted by the police that I've posted here for you. I have hundreds of additional examples.

 

....the "Blue Wall of Silence" has been the real deal for years.......and the Unions protecting the rotten apples has gone on for years...the bad apples screw up, get "reassigned (COUGH)" and are eventually returned to regular duty after the dust settles......with that Union protection,  the bad apples "hiding" behind the shield are omnipotent, arrogant, invincible and untouchable......seen it through the years with cops I've known.........we're in Construction and see the Unions protecting the lousy workers daily....consider the lifers and pension hangers on and the archaic training they went through......I'm guessing, but I doubt ongoing, remedial training does not happen.....and I'd bet the screening/vetting process under which they were hired was minimal.....certainly lends credence to the Camden Approach.....(I think) every cop was fired and forced to go through an updated screening process and far more detailed training....and it got positive reviews.....BUT, you cannot on a wholesale "all inclusive basis" cast law enforcement as bad.....PLENTY of good ones out there.....it's analogous to labeling ALL blacks as supporters of the fraudulent "BLM" movement...MILLIONS of blacks have their education, albeit HS, college graduate or advanced degree status.....have good paying jobs, have captured the American dream and are entrepreneurial business owners (how many destroyed in the riots so far?), have families with a strong nuclear family emphasis with children of values.....fair to cast them as obvious (COUGH) "BLM supporters" solely based on skin color?...HARDLY.....

[BullBuchanan]

15 minutes ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said:

 

....the "Blue Wall of Silence" has been the real deal for years.......and the Unions protecting the rotten apples has gone on for years...the bad apples screw up, get "reassigned (COUGH)" and are eventually returned to regular duty after the dust settles......with that Union protection,  the bad apples "hiding" behind the shield are omnipotent, arrogant, invincible and untouchable......seen it through the years with cops I've known.........we're in Construction and see the Unions protecting the lousy workers daily....consider the lifers and pension hangers on and the archaic training they went through......I'm guessing, but I doubt ongoing, remedial training does not happen.....and I'd bet the screening/vetting process under which they were hired was minimal.....certainly lends credence to the Camden Approach.....(I think) every cop was fired and forced to go through an updated screening process and far more detailed training....and it got positive reviews.....BUT, you cannot on a wholesale "all inclusive basis" cast law enforcement as bad.....PLENTY of good ones out there.....it's analogous to labeling ALL blacks as supporters of the fraudulent "BLM" movement...MILLIONS of blacks have their education, albeit HS, college graduate or advanced degree status.....have good paying jobs, have captured the American dream and are entrepreneurial business owners (how many destroyed in the riots so far?), have families with a strong nuclear family emphasis with children of values.....fair to cast them as obvious (COUGH) "BLM supporters" solely based on skin color?...HARDLY.....

I hear what you're saying and I understand where you're coming from.

Just because someone who commits crimes works a specific job or is of a certain religion or race or sex does not mean that everyone who does that job or is of that race/religion/sex etc are also criminals. I completely believe in that.

However, police officers are not independent contractors. They only exist within forces. Those forces all have unions and their politics and procedures are shockingly similar from one city or state to the next. The point I've working on in this thread and others is that the recruiting tactics, training materials, behavior of officers, responses from unions, lack of repercussions for offenses, proclivity for violence, and leniency of the court systems seems to propagate across every department in the country. Much in the way the Catholic sexual assault ring did. Police Officers may be individual people with their own stories, but "The Police" is a monolith.

I won't deny that you can be a good person who has lived a life of virtue and kindness who happens to join an organization where these things take place. But can you continue to be a good person, while choosing to join one of these organization where these things take place and you knowingly ignore or participate in them yourself?

I make a very strong accusation that to back the play of monsters is to be a monster yourself. If someone wants to make an argument for why that isn't the case, I'll listen to it, but I haven't heard one.

 

Edited September 24, 2020 by BullBuchanan

[B-Man]

28 minutes ago, BullBuchanan said:

Here's the real ANTIFA

 

 

 

 

 

Yes that WAS the REAL Antifa..............

 

 

 

 

 

Here is today's American Antifa.............calling an elderly woman a "Nazi" as she tries to cross the street......

 

[BullBuchanan]

2 minutes ago, B-Man said:

 

 

 

 

Yes that WAS the REAL Antifa..............

 

 

 

 

 

Here is today's American Antifa.............calling an elderly woman a "Nazi" as she tries to cross the street......

 

It's a good thing they weren't cops or they may have given her brain damage.

[RochesterRob]

  Anymore when I read Bull's posts i use the voice of a very stoned Otto Mann from The Simpson's as a representation of Bull.

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

6 minutes ago, BullBuchanan said:

I hear what you're saying and I understand where you're coming from.

Just because someone who commits crimes works a specific job or is of a certain religion or race or sex does not mean that everyone who does that job or is of that race/religion/sex etc are also criminals. I completely believe in that.

However, police officers are not independent contractors. They only exist within forces. Those forces all have unions and their politics and procedures are shockingly similar from one city or state to the next. The point I've working on in this thread and others is that the recruiting tactics, training materials, behavior of officers, responses from unions, lack of repercussions for offenses, proclivity for violence, and leniency of the court systems seems to propagate across every department in the country. Much in the way the Catholic sexual assault ring did. Police Officers may be individual people with their own stories, but "The Police" is a monolith.

I won't deny that you can be a good person who has lived a life of virtue and kindness who happens to join an organization where these things take place. But can you continue to be a good person, while choosing to join one of these organization where these things take place and you knowingly ignore or participate in them yourself?

I make a very strong accusation that to back the play of monsters is to be a monster yourself. If someone wants to make an argument for why that isn't the case, I'll listen to it, but I haven't heard one.

 

 

...BUT...you cannot discount the level of protectionism within those ranks of the "bad ones"......weed them out dammit......do so and increase your credibility......the Electrical Union will NOT do it......so I need five guys from the Hall and out of the next five, #1 and #2 are widely known lazy skanks.....so I have to take all five and spin #1 and #2 right back...make ANY sense?.....OR....if the local is at full employment including the skanks and a out of state Union member who is in the local territory for six months and wants work, as well as being excellent, I can hire him, BUT STILL have to keep a Local skank....I want to dump the skank but it's a no-no...make sense?..traveler can't displace a Local member......we pay $9+ mil/yr in Union benefits for this crap?....

[BullBuchanan]

1 minute ago, RochesterRob said:

  Anymore when I read Bull's posts i use the voice of a very stoned Otto Mann from The Simpson's as a representation of Bull.

 

[B-Man]

5 minutes ago, BullBuchanan said:

It's a good thing they weren't cops or they may have given her brain damage.

 

 

That gentleman doesn't have brain damage, as you are well aware.

 

 

Telling also, that rather than trying to defend today's Antifa thugs,

 

you just go right back to your anti- police schtick 

 

Johnny one note.

[RochesterRob]

  Could someone post a picture of Otto Mann.  Can't do much from the particular computer I use for sites such as this one.

[BullBuchanan]

2 minutes ago, B-Man said:

 

That gentleman doesn't have brain damage, as you are well aware.

 

 

Telling also, that rather than trying to defend today's Antifa thugs,

 

you just go right back to your anti- police schtick 

 

Johnny one note.

https://www.democratandchronicle.com/story/news/2020/06/11/martin-gugino-75-year-old-pushed-buffalo-police-has-brain-injury/5345876002/

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

...how the hell we EVER let Antifa promulgate to their current level unchecked is beyond me......so now we have the proliferation of the likes of ISIS, Taliban, Hamas, Hezballah et al on our own damn soil and the best we can do as say MSM "peaceful protests"?.....we're screwed...............

[BullBuchanan]

10 minutes ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said:

 

...BUT...you cannot discount the level of protectionism within those ranks of the "bad ones"......weed them out dammit......do so and increase your credibility......the Electrical Union will NOT do it......so I need five guys from the Hall and out of the next five, #1 and #2 are widely known lazy skanks.....so I have to take all five and spin #1 and #2 right back...make ANY sense?.....OR....if the local is at full employment including the skanks and a out of state Union member who is in the local territory for six months and wants work, as well as being excellent, I can hire him, BUT STILL have to keep a Local skank....I want to dump the skank but it's a no-no...make sense?..traveler can't displace a Local member......we pay $9+ mil/yr in Union benefits for this crap?....

Of course not. I hope I haven't discounted it at all. Look I'm generally a massive fan of unions. They have their problems, as you've mentioned, but without them we wouldn't have a whole host of labor protections and advancements for workers. I think every private sector employee should have access to a union and we should fix the problems they currently have. My grandfather and uncle were able to make good money and raise families through periods of economic uncertainty thanks to their union, and their pension has provided them with a retirement few non-union employees are likely to have the good fortune of receiving.

However, I believe the role of the union is to protect the employee form the employer and act as their representative. In the case of the police, their employer is the people. There should be no middleman lobbying on behalf of an employee of the people to our elected officials. It's a direct conflict of interest. There needs to be far more public oversight into the actions of the police, not less.

That said, while the police union is a massive problem, it would be less of a problem if there were less bad police, and there would be less bad police if the bad ones were only recruited instead of being trained by people like Dave Grossman.

Edited September 24, 2020 by BullBuchanan

[BullBuchanan]

10 minutes ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said:

...how the hell we EVER let Antifa promulgate to their current level unchecked is beyond me......so now we have the proliferation of the likes of ISIS, Taliban, Hamas, Hezballah et al on our own damn soil and the best we can do as say MSM "peaceful protests"?.....we're screwed...............

We did it and continue to do it through our collective silence and condoning of police violence. Unlike those other folks you've mentioned, getting rid of Antifa is the simplest thing in the world - end the culture of police violence and the system that allows them to commit it with impunity. Do that, and they'll vanish in the wind, just as they came. Given the recent ruling on Breonna Taylor, it seems no one really wants Antifa gone that badly.

Edited September 24, 2020 by BullBuchanan

[RochesterRob]

2 minutes ago, BullBuchanan said:

We did it and continue to do it through our collective silence and condoning of police violence. Unlike those other folks you've mentioned, getting rid of Antifa is the simplest thing in the world - end the culture of police violence and the system that allows them to commit it with impunity. Do that, and they'll vanish in the wind, just as they came. Given the recent ruling on Breonna Taylor, it seems no one really wants Antifa gone that badly.

  Bull crap, Bull.  We did it through letting 3 generations of subversive college professors have at young impressionable minds.  These same professors who saw capitalism as the root of all their problems in life and communism as the only solution.  

[BullBuchanan]

Just now, RochesterRob said:

  Bull crap, Bull.  We did it through letting 3 generations of subversive college professors have at young impressionable minds.  These same professors who saw capitalism as the root of all their problems in life and communism as the only solution.  

You must have never attended college.

[RochesterRob]

2 minutes ago, BullBuchanan said:

You must have never attended college.

  Four years including two years at Cornell University.  I saw it first hand through electives such as history courses.  As far as you never having attended college I can see that.

[BullBuchanan]

5 minutes ago, RochesterRob said:

  Four years including two years at Cornell University.  I saw it first hand through electives such as history courses.  As far as you never having attended college I can see that.

I have an engineering degree, but then again I don't see any viewpoints counter to my own as a threat or "subversive"

 

I've never even heard of the bull#### you claim in real life outside of conservative news and boomer cults. American Universities are late stage capitalism in action.

Edited September 24, 2020 by BullBuchanan

[3rdnlng]

1 minute ago, BullBuchanan said:

We did it and continue to do it through our collective silence and condoning of police violence. Unlike those other folks you've mentioned, getting rid of Antifa is the simplest thing in the world - end the culture of police violence and the system that allows them to commit it with impunity. Do that, and they'll vanish in the wind, just as they came. Given the recent ruling on Breonna Taylor, it seems no one really wants Antifa gone that badly.

You can't go two posts without putting on full display your deep seated assmudgeonry. 

 

Per a witness the cops announced themselves and knocked before breaking down the door.

 

Breonna's new boyfriend shot at the cops before they shot back. He admitted to this.

 

Per the Grand Jury the cops had every right to shoot back in self defense. 

 

One cop was charged with basically reckless endangerment for being a bad shot, not hitting anything but inanimate objects. 

 

Some people claim that Breonna was intimately involved in her ex boyfriend's drug business, thus naturally putting her life in danger. She shares some of the blame for her own demise.

[BullBuchanan]

Another Texas terrorist gang cops pulling a gun on a bunch of kids at a pool party before assaulting an unarmed girl.
 

 

[RochesterRob]

11 minutes ago, BullBuchanan said:

I have an engineering degree, but then again I don't see any viewpoints counter to my own as a threat or "subversive"

 

I've never even heard of the bull#### you claim in real life outside of conservative news and boomer cults. American Universities are late stage capitalism in action.

  Of course you see viewpoints such as the cops do a lot of good as a threat or you would not started this thread.  Most American universities are a tale of two viewpoints as many have business classes and liberal arts on the same campus.  

[BullBuchanan]

13 minutes ago, 3rdnlng said:

You can't go two posts without putting on full display your deep seated assmudgeonry. 

 

Per a witness the cops announced themselves and knocked before breaking down the door.

 

Breonna's new boyfriend shot at the cops before they shot back. He admitted to this.

 

Per the Grand Jury the cops had every right to shoot back in self defense. 

 

One cop was charged with basically reckless endangerment for being a bad shot, not hitting anything but inanimate objects. 

 

Some people claim that Breonna was intimately involved in her ex boyfriend's drug business, thus naturally putting her life in danger. She shares some of the blame for her own demise.

You're such a terrible liar, and a piece of filth as a human being.

The police broke into a home unannounced in the middle of the night. A home where no crime was committed. Her boyfriend fired a single shot, thinking that their home was being broken into, and the police returned fire with 18 ***** rounds, murdering an innocent woman.

Do you know why the Grand Jury didn't indict the police officers on murder? Because there's no evidence to suggest that a prosecutor even raise it as a possibility. If you had the slightest clue what you were talking about, you'd know that Grand Juries will return a "No True Bill" on refusals to indict. This almost certainly means that the prosecutor did not intend to seek charges.
 

“The police knocked and announced themselves, and a witness heard them.”

In what was probably the most frustrating part of Cameron’s press event, he cited a single witness who claimed to have heard the officers identify themselves as police. I spoke with Taylor’s lawyers in June, who at that time had interviewed 11 of her neighbors. Many lived in the same apartment building as Taylor. According to the lawyers, no neighbor heard an announcement. The New York Times interviewed 12 neighbors. They found one — just one — who heard an announcement. And he only heard one announcement. He also told the paper that with all the commotion, it’s entirely possible that Walker and Taylor didn’t hear that announcement. Cameron neglected to mention any of this.

 https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2020/09/24/correcting-misinformation-about-breonna-taylor/

 

1 minute ago, RochesterRob said:

  Of course you see viewpoints such as the cops do a lot of good as a threat or you would not started this thread.  Most American universities are a tale of two viewpoints as many have business classes and liberal arts on the same campus.  

I don't see it as a threat, I see it as verifiably false.

Edited September 24, 2020 by BullBuchanan

[RochesterRob]

Just now, BullBuchanan said:

You're such a terrible liar. and a piece of filth as a human being.

The police broke into a home unannounced in the middle of the night. A home where no crime was committed. Her boyfriend fired a single shot, thinking that their home was being broken into, and the police returned fire with 18 ***** rounds, murdering an innocent woman.

Do you know why the Grand Jury didn't indict the police officers on murder? Because there's no evidence to suggest that a prosecutor even raise it as a possibility. If you had the slightest clue what you were talking about, you'd know that Grand Juries will return a "No True Bill" on refusals to indict. This almost certainly means that the prosecutor did not intend to seek charges.
 

“The police knocked and announced themselves, and a witness heard them.”

In what was probably the most frustrating part of Cameron’s press event, he cited a single witness who claimed to have heard the officers identify themselves as police. I spoke with Taylor’s lawyers in June, who at that time had interviewed 11 of her neighbors. Many lived in the same apartment building as Taylor. According to the lawyers, no neighbor heard an announcement. The New York Times interviewed 12 neighbors. They found one — just one — who heard an announcement. And he only heard one announcement. He also told the paper that with all the commotion, it’s entirely possible that Walker and Taylor didn’t hear that announcement. Cameron neglected to mention any of this.

 https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2020/09/24/correcting-misinformation-about-breonna-taylor/

 

  You being a Canadian inhibits your ability to see what is happening in the US.  If Canada was not reaping incidental benefits such as the US's neighbor in terms of defense you might have a different perspective on certain issues.

[BullBuchanan]

1 minute ago, RochesterRob said:

  You being a Canadian inhibits your ability to see what is happening in the US.  If Canada was not reaping incidental benefits such as the US's neighbor in terms of defense you might have a different perspective on certain issues.

Why do you think I'm a Canadian? Is that degree of yours written in crayon? 

[LB3]

57 minutes ago, RochesterRob said:

  Anymore when I read Bull's posts i use the voice of a very stoned Otto Mann from The Simpson's as a representation of Bull.

 

52 minutes ago, RochesterRob said:

  Could someone post a picture of Otto Mann.  Can't do much from the particular computer I use for sites such as this one.

No way. When I read his posts,I don't see Otto. This is Bull in real life.

[3rdnlng]

3 minutes ago, BullBuchanan said:

Why do you think I'm a Canadian? Is that degree of yours written in crayon? 

I've mentioned that you are a Canadian at least 5 times here and you haven't disputed it once. I discovered it by your "tells" and you know I'm right but are afraid to challenge me. 

[BullBuchanan]

1 minute ago, 3rdnlng said:

I've mentioned that you are a Canadian at least 5 times here and you haven't disputed it once. I discovered it by your "tells" and you know I'm right but are afraid to challenge me. 

I'd love to play poker with you if those are your reads. As long as you had a ball gag in your mouth, anyway.

[BullBuchanan]

Cop shoots dog fenced in on its own property after allowing his own dog to approach.

 

Detroit police command told FOX 2 the family's fence was too close to the sidewalk, according to city ordinance.

"That's their territory they're defending their territory, it is not based on the breed of a dog," Sumpter said. "I have a beagle. They can be fence aggressive or fence reactive."

 

Sumpter says better communication between the police and the dog's owner before the search for the weapon, and more control of the animals by all would have changed the outcome.

 

"It's heartbreaking that people would blame the animals because humans are in control in this situation," she said.

Per protocol, the case is being reviewed by the Professional Standards Department within DPD, then it will be handed over to the Wayne County Prosecutor's Office for review. 

 

https://www.fox2detroit.com/news/detroit-police-bodycamera-shows-dog-attack-of-k9-officer-that-led-to-shooting

Edited September 24, 2020 by BullBuchanan

[Chef Jim]

1 hour ago, BullBuchanan said:

Oh I'm fully aware violence doesn't equal death, and you've refused to grasp that concept. What you fail to understand is that contradiction of your own statements.

Since ANTIFA "SOLE purpose" is not to commit violence, they shouldn't be on your list, but they are. Meanwhile the FAR more violent police force that brutalizes and kills americans EVERY SINGLE DAY are "mostly great at what they do" and "good people"

You probably thought these were "some very fine people" as well.

And for the record, the reason I started this thread was to point out the absurdity that while this board has labeled ANTIFA a terrorist organization, there has been a hundreds year old terrorist organization subsisting off of taxpayer funds as part of our government guilty of far worse crimes including, but not limited to, tens of thousands of deaths.

 

ANTIFA's sole purpose for existing is NOT about violence but fighting violence (sometimes in a violent fashion).  This makes them not a terrorist organization but an organization with some bad actors.  Law Enforcement sole's purpose for existing is NOT about violence but fighting violence (sometimes in a violent fashion).  Wouldn't that also make them NOT a terrorist organization but an organization with bad actors?  Seems logical no? 

 

   

[4merper4mer]

17 minutes ago, BullBuchanan said:

I'd love to play poker with you if those are your reads. As long as you had a ball gag in your mouth, anyway.

That's some weird poker you play there Bull.  

[Dragoon]

4 minutes ago, Chef Jim said:

 

ANTIFA's sole purpose for existing is NOT about violence but fighting violence (sometimes in a violent fashion).  This makes them not a terrorist organization but an organization with some bad actors.  Law Enforcement sole's purpose for existing is NOT about violence but fighting violence (sometimes in a violent fashion).  Wouldn't that also make them NOT a terrorist organization but an organization with bad actors?  Seems logical no? 

 

   

....see, Andy NGO’s twitter feed. 

[Chef Jim]

Two can play your dumbass game.  Mine were a hell of a lot easier to find that yours.  And this was just the first page on YouTube.  Using your warped logic and based on these videos ALL COPS ARE GREAT

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited September 24, 2020 by Chef Jim

[BullBuchanan]

12 minutes ago, Chef Jim said:

Two can play your dumbass game.  Mine were a hell of a lot easier to find that yours.  And this was just the first page on YouTube.  Using your warped logic and based on these videos ALL COPS ARE GREAT

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I wonder how many of them are frauds like "Basketball Cop"? I have a hard time buying these pieces of feel-good propaganda when several of these high profile cases have turned out to be nothing more than a stunt for the camera.

 You understand that a lot of people, even ones that most people would consider bad people, do good things on a regular basis, right? Doing good things doesn't mean ***** all if you spend your day perpetuating a culture of violence on defenseless people. Maybe it helps you get to sleep at night, but it doesn't make you a good person. 

https://www.wcjb.com/content/news/GPD-basketball-cop-under-fire-for--571282471.html

[Dragoon]

8 minutes ago, BullBuchanan said:

I wonder how many of them are frauds like "Basketball Cop"? I have a hard time buying these pieces of feel-good propaganda when several of these high profile cases have turned out to be nothing more than a stunt for the camera.

 You understand that a lot of people, even ones that most people would consider bad people, do good things on a regular basis, right? Doing good things doesn't mean ***** all if you spend your day perpetuating a culture of violence on defenseless people. Maybe it helps you get to sleep at night, but it doesn't make you a good person. 

https://www.wcjb.com/content/news/GPD-basketball-cop-under-fire-for--571282471.html

Fine...I’ll ask...

 

Whats your plan to fix the police stuff? Do you have one or do you just want to burn things down?
 

I believe we have a police problem and I believe the solution is more funding, better training, and higher standards. 

Edited September 24, 2020 by Dragoon

[RochesterRob]

41 minutes ago, 4merper4mer said:

That's some weird poker you play there Bull.  

  I think that Bull gave up on poker when he found out it is played with everybody wearing their pants through out the game.  Not to be confused with strip poker.

[BullBuchanan]

22 minutes ago, Dragoon said:

Fine...I’ll ask...

 

Whats your plan to fix the police stuff? Do you have one or do you just want to burn things down?
 

I believe we have a police problem and I believe the solution is more funding, better training, and higher standards. 

• An elimination of official training by Dave Grossman, and any such training that teaches police that their role in society is to be a soldier in a warzone or a caped crusader where they are in a battle against evil.
• Removal of Qualified Immunity. We can't have public servants that are lawfully above the law.
• Related: The end to leniency of indictments and sentences of officers who commit crimes. Because police serve the public, they should be held to a higher standard than any normal citizen. A crime committed by a peace officer should be considered a violation of the public trust. 
• Civilian oversight of all police organizations with the power to recommend direct action to prosecutors and alternative means to go around corrupt prosecutors
• A civilian review of each police department for patterns of systemic issues related to leadership as well as a review of individual officers
• Removal of police unions: A public servant does not need a union to protect themselves and shield their activities from the public. They should have an advocate and measures in place to ensure fair workplace and labor standards, but it should not be a traditional union.
• Mandatory body cams that officers cannot disable. In the event a bodycam malfunctions, they should not be given the benefit of the doubt.
• Public review of recruiting practices and the elimination of glorified violence in recruiting supplements
• enhanced de-escalation training, non-lethal self defense and disarming training, and reworked lethal force procedures
• A mandatory amount of public service within the community they serve
  
   

Edited September 24, 2020 by BullBuchanan

[Chef Jim]

59 minutes ago, BullBuchanan said:

I wonder how many of them are frauds like "Basketball Cop"? I have a hard time buying these pieces of feel-good propaganda when several of these high profile cases have turned out to be nothing more than a stunt for the camera.

 You understand that a lot of people, even ones that most people would consider bad people, do good things on a regular basis, right? Doing good things doesn't mean ***** all if you spend your day perpetuating a culture of violence on defenseless people. Maybe it helps you get to sleep at night, but it doesn't make you a good person. 

https://www.wcjb.com/content/news/GPD-basketball-cop-under-fire-for--571282471.html

 

Propaganda.  Bwahahahahahaha. You are so predictable.  "Yes, even ax murderers kiss babies."   

 

Ok man you win.  I'm out.  Have a wonderful life you angry whack job.  

 

Enjoy your crusade.  

57 minutes ago, Dragoon said:

Fine...I’ll ask...

 

Whats your plan to fix the police stuff? Do you have one or do you just want to burn things down?
 

 

Worthless pig-man in your phoney blue uniform
You try to tell me what to do but I never will conform
In my world there are no limits or laws
Kill the police before we're all robots
Kill the police
Kill the whole force
Smash the system
Destroy the courts
On a power trip with your useless authority
Your life is nothin' but your false sense of security
I hope you all die on the street today
I hope you all die in a deadly way
It's all a lie what they try and sell you
If they can't make a case, they're gonna frame you
Wanted or on bail can you ever be free
It's time to take action, kill the police

[BullBuchanan]

2 minutes ago, Chef Jim said:

 

Propaganda.  Bwahahahahahaha. You are so predictable.  "Yes, even ax murderers kiss babies."   

 

Ok man you win.  I'm out.  Have a wonderful life you angry whack job.  

 

Enjoy your crusade.  

So, police around the country did not kneel in solidarity with protestors for a bunch of cameras and then deployed chemical weapons and assault them moments later after the press left?

Basketball Cop didn't assault a black teenager?

[Dragoon]

1 hour ago, BullBuchanan said:

• An elimination of official training by Dave Grossman, and any such training that teaches police that their role in society is to be a soldier in a warzone or a caped crusader where they are in a battle against evil.
• Removal of Qualified Immunity. We can't have public servants that are lawfully above the law.
• Related: The end to leniency of indictments and sentences of officers who commit crimes. Because police serve the public, they should be held to a higher standard than any normal citizen. A crime committed by a peace officer should be considered a violation of the public trust. 
• Civilian oversight of all police organizations with the power to recommend direct action to prosecutors and alternative means to go around corrupt prosecutors
• A civilian review of each police department for patterns of systemic issues related to leadership as well as a review of individual officers
• Removal of police unions: A public servant does not need a union to protect themselves and shield their activities from the public. They should have an advocate and measures in place to ensure fair workplace and labor standards, but it should not be a traditional union.
• Mandatory body cams that officers cannot disable. In the event a bodycam malfunctions, they should not be given the benefit of the doubt.
• Public review of recruiting practices and the elimination of glorified violence in recruiting supplements
• enhanced de-escalation training, non-lethal self defense and disarming training, and reworked lethal force procedures
• A mandatory amount of public service within the community they serve
  
   

Ive met Grossman, Ive heard him lecture. I respect him, but his books are nonsense and historically just not sound. I agree his ideas are militaristic and not often suitable for police practices. 

 

That said I think we agree then that we need more funding for the police and you actually seem to not want to eliminate them. 
 

Many of your ideas are not practical and just silly. 

Also you want to add a lot of bureaucracy. That again is naive. A good solution is less bureaucracy and less red tape. 
 

I’m sure the things Mao thought would work well sounded really great when he put them in bullet points...in reality however, his inexperience led to the suffering and deaths of millions. 
 

Do you support teachers unions? How far are we to eliminate unions? As a conservative I’m loving your idea of killing unions. 

Edited September 25, 2020 by Dragoon