Where did Your Ancestors Originate?

[billsfan1959]

7 minutes ago, SoTier said:

So, do you want a medal????   The fact is that until the early 1920s, EVERYBODY who came into the US was LEGAL because there were no laws limiting entry into the US except for illness, disability, or mental incapacity, in which case you were sent back to Europe.  For several decades after the 1920s, the US allowed largely unrestricted immigration into the US from Western Hemisphere countries.  It was only in the 1980s that all those descendants of European immigrants in Cali, Arizona, and Texas began worrying that those brown people from south of the Rio Grande who picked their crops and cleaned their houses for slave-labor wages were staying in the country rather than returning to Mexico and points south.

 

 

He can speak for himself; however, I'm sure what he wants is for people who desire to emigrate to this country, to do so according to existing immigration laws.

 

Not a difficult concept, no?

[Tommy Callahan]

20 minutes ago, SoTier said:

 

And Europeans haven't demonstrated hatred of each other over the last 2000 years?   In the last 106 years, Europeans did their best to annihilate each other twice. 

 

 

Italian/Swedish is a common mix in the Jamestown area where about 50% of the population have some Swedish ancestry, while Italians have been a major ethnic group in Jamestown since the early 1900s.

 

 

While Lord Protector of England, Scotland, Ireland, and Wales in the mid-17th century, Oliver Cromwell dispossessed thousands of Irish Catholics and replaced them with Scottish Protestants.   That was all part of the widespread religious warfare throughout Europe in the 17th century, and the source of "The Troubles" that erupted in Northern Ireland in the late 20th century.

 

 

Isabel Wilkerson's The Warmth of Other Suns is a prize winning book on "the Great Migration", which saw millions of Southern Blacks leave the South for the Northeast, Midwest, and Far West between 1915 and about 1970.    

 

 

So, do you want a medal????   The fact is that until the early 1920s, EVERYBODY who came into the US was LEGAL because there were no laws limiting entry into the US except for illness, disability, or mental incapacity, in which case you were sent back to Europe.  For several decades after the 1920s, the US allowed largely unrestricted immigration into the US from Western Hemisphere countries.  It was only in the 1980s that all those descendants of European immigrants in Cali, Arizona, and Texas began worrying that those brown people from south of the Rio Grande who picked their crops and cleaned their houses for slave-labor wages were staying in the country rather than returning to Mexico and points south.

 

 

That's nice. but I'm from Detroit.

 

 

[RochesterRob]

18 minutes ago, SoTier said:

 

And Europeans haven't demonstrated hatred of each other over the last 2000 years?   In the last 106 years, Europeans did their best to annihilate each other twice. 

 

 

Italian/Swedish is a common mix in the Jamestown area where about 50% of the population have some Swedish ancestry, while Italians have been a major ethnic group in Jamestown since the early 1900s.

 

 

While Lord Protector of England, Scotland, Ireland, and Wales in the mid-17th century, Oliver Cromwell dispossessed thousands of Irish Catholics and replaced them with Scottish Protestants.   That was all part of the widespread religious warfare throughout Europe in the 17th century, and the source of "The Troubles" that erupted in Northern Ireland in the late 20th century.

 

 

Isabel Wilkerson's The Warmth of Other Suns is a prize winning book on "the Great Migration", which saw millions of Southern Blacks leave the South for the Northeast, Midwest, and Far West between 1915 and about 1970.    

 

 

So, do you want a medal????   The fact is that until the early 1920s, EVERYBODY who came into the US was LEGAL because there were no laws limiting entry into the US except for illness, disability, or mental incapacity, in which case you were sent back to Europe.  For several decades after the 1920s, the US allowed largely unrestricted immigration into the US from Western Hemisphere countries.  It was only in the 1980s that all those descendants of European immigrants in Cali, Arizona, and Texas began worrying that those brown people from south of the Rio Grande who picked their crops and cleaned their houses for slave-labor wages were staying in the country rather than returning to Mexico and points south.

 

  I don't think this was in play as my understanding was my grandfather's family was in Ireland before Cromwell.  Most likely at that point in time they were Catholic which would mean minimal friction with the Irish.  

[Tiberius]

27 minutes ago, SoTier said:

 

 

 

 

Isabel Wilkerson's The Warmth of Other Suns is a prize winning book on "the Great Migration", which saw millions of Southern Blacks leave the South for the Northeast, Midwest, and Far West between 1915 and about 1970.    

 

 

 

 

 

This is a good one I read a long time ago. Blacks moved north to the cities and the Democratic Party Urban Machines courted them. Blacks were voting for the same party as the KKK for awhile! 

[SoTier]

51 minutes ago, Chris farley said:

 

That's nice. but I'm from Detroit.

 

 

 

Ooops!  That's what happens when you assume that someone located in the Southern Tier has connections to Jamestown!  

 

Swedes also settled in Michigan in significant numbers, although not in the numbers that they did in Minnesota and other parts of the Upper Midwest. 

[SoTier]

1 hour ago, RochesterRob said:

  I don't think this was in play as my understanding was my grandfather's family was in Ireland before Cromwell.  Most likely at that point in time they were Catholic which would mean minimal friction with the Irish.  

 

That's unusual for them to identify as "Scots Irish" but given the religious persecution of Catholics at the time by Cromwell, they probably converted to Protestantism and laid low for self preservation.  

 

According to my family lore, my Polish maternal grandmother's father or grandfather was a Polish Jew who converted to Catholicism at some point in the 19th century to survive the progroms instituted by the Russian czars. 

[RochesterRob]

5 minutes ago, SoTier said:

 

That's unusual for them to identify as "Scots Irish" but given the religious persecution of Catholics at the time by Cromwell, they probably converted to Protestantism and laid low for self preservation.  

 

According to my family lore, my Polish maternal grandmother's father or grandfather was a Polish Jew who converted to Catholicism at some point in the 19th century to survive the progroms instituted by the Russian czars. 

  I suspect that there were lots of conversions just to survive as you stated all across Europe.  We suspected that my paternal grandmother's family were Jews until sometime in the late 18th or 19th Centuries.  A lot of that history was lost and as stated previously the feeling might have been to just let it be lost as it most likely was a hinderance.  

[SoTier]

1 hour ago, billsfan1959 said:

 

He can speak for himself; however, I'm sure what he wants is for people who desire to emigrate to this country, to do so according to existing immigration laws.

 

Not a difficult concept, no?

 

Then let him say that not make a snide remark that simply reenforces the typical lies that xenophobes repeat about current immigrants.  Illegal immigrants do not qualify for government aid, including welfare.  They may receive assistance from private sources, which also helped down-and-out immigrants in the supposed "good old days".   Legal immigrants are either supposed to have already have jobs waiting for them or have sponsorship by another individual (usually a spouse or other family) or a private group who guarantees to keep that immigrant from landing on welfare for several years after arrival.   Even immigrants who are granted political asylum seldom are given welfare.

 

FTR, many Spanish speaking individuals who receive welfare are US citizens, primarily from Puerto Rico.

[bilzfancy]

11 minutes ago, SoTier said:

 

Then let him say that not make a snide remark that simply reenforces the typical lies that xenophobes repeat about current immigrants.  Illegal immigrants do not qualify for government aid, including welfare.  They may receive assistance from private sources, which also helped down-and-out immigrants in the supposed "good old days".   Legal immigrants are either supposed to have already have jobs waiting for them or have sponsorship by another individual (usually a spouse or other family) or a private group who guarantees to keep that immigrant from landing on welfare for several years after arrival.   Even immigrants who are granted political asylum seldom are given welfare.

 

FTR, many Spanish speaking individuals who receive welfare are US citizens, primarily from Puerto Rico.

Old-time is NOT a xenophobe, Christ, you have a label for everyone. 

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

2 hours ago, SoTier said:

 

And Europeans haven't demonstrated hatred of each other over the last 2000 years?   In the last 106 years, Europeans did their best to annihilate each other twice. 

 

 

Italian/Swedish is a common mix in the Jamestown area where about 50% of the population have some Swedish ancestry, while Italians have been a major ethnic group in Jamestown since the early 1900s.

 

 

While Lord Protector of England, Scotland, Ireland, and Wales in the mid-17th century, Oliver Cromwell dispossessed thousands of Irish Catholics and replaced them with Scottish Protestants.   That was all part of the widespread religious warfare throughout Europe in the 17th century, and the source of "The Troubles" that erupted in Northern Ireland in the late 20th century.

 

 

Isabel Wilkerson's The Warmth of Other Suns is a prize winning book on "the Great Migration", which saw millions of Southern Blacks leave the South for the Northeast, Midwest, and Far West between 1915 and about 1970.    

 

 

So, do you want a medal????   The fact is that until the early 1920s, EVERYBODY who came into the US was LEGAL because there were no laws limiting entry into the US except for illness, disability, or mental incapacity, in which case you were sent back to Europe.  For several decades after the 1920s, the US allowed largely unrestricted immigration into the US from Western Hemisphere countries.  It was only in the 1980s that all those descendants of European immigrants in Cali, Arizona, and Texas began worrying that those brown people from south of the Rio Grande who picked their crops and cleaned their houses for slave-labor wages were staying in the country rather than returning to Mexico and points south.

 

 

 

 

...YAWN........as usual......my grandparents were my medal.....you?...LEAD poisoning, same as on the football side......PFFFFT..................

Edited July 10, 2020 by OldTimeAFLGuy

[CarpetCrawler]

On 7/9/2020 at 10:34 AM, Joe in Winslow said:

 

Oddly enough, I did some research into my last name (which doesn't sound Polish at all). Turns out, it's a rather common name in the Posnan area, and ONLY in the Posnan area. This was discovered through a search of parish records in Poland.

 

I've been scouring the internet, but can't find what I'm looking for. I read an article a few years ago that would identify what part of Poland your ancestors came from based on the Polish words you remember them saying. My area came up as Posnan too, and the kicker was if you remember your relatives calling the end pieces of bread the "kroonka", you're from the Posnan region.

 

BTW I'm almost all Polish with a little Swedish mixed in. 

Edited July 10, 2020 by CarpetCrawler

[Cinga]

5 hours ago, SoTier said:

Illegal immigrants do not qualify for government aid, including welfare.  They may receive assistance from private sources, which also helped down-and-out immigrants in the supposed "good old days".   Legal immigrants are either supposed to have already have jobs waiting for them or have sponsorship by another individual (usually a spouse or other family) or a private group who guarantees to keep that immigrant from landing on welfare for several years after arrival.   Even immigrants who are granted political asylum seldom are given welfare.

 

THAT is complete bullschiff. Welfare is administered by the STATES, not the federal government who does actually pay for most of it though. And few if any states make you prove citizenship for government assistance. With roughly 20 million of them here, and it still illegal to hire them, how the f*** do you think they survive? I find it preposterous that companies are raided sometimes with illegals working there, and the business gets fined. The crazy part is that in some states it's illegal to even ask i they are here legally!

Yeah, some work on stolen ID or under the table, but many are also on the government dole. 

 

Here is a source for the cost to American taxpayers for illegal immigration. 

 

 

 

[3rdnlng]

7 hours ago, SoTier said:

 

Then let him say that not make a snide remark that simply reenforces the typical lies that xenophobes repeat about current immigrants.  Illegal immigrants do not qualify for government aid, including welfare.  They may receive assistance from private sources, which also helped down-and-out immigrants in the supposed "good old days".   Legal immigrants are either supposed to have already have jobs waiting for them or have sponsorship by another individual (usually a spouse or other family) or a private group who guarantees to keep that immigrant from landing on welfare for several years after arrival.   Even immigrants who are granted political asylum seldom are given welfare.

 

FTR, many Spanish speaking individuals who receive welfare are US citizens, primarily from Puerto Rico.

You've attempted to hijack this thread. The Right and the Left were actually getting along and you have tried to take it in a different direction.

[whatdrought]

On 7/8/2020 at 9:19 PM, Beast said:

My father’s parents came from Poland. My mother has Irish roots.

You’re just pissed because Ringlin Brothers and Barnum and Bailey came back on your Ancestory.com profile.

 

It’s OK. Clowns lives matter.

 

Many good answers to the race baiting idiocy, but this one made me laugh out loud. Well done!

 

As for me: moms side comes from Denmark- supposedly there’s an illegitimate heir in there somewhere... not sure it’s ever been proven, but it’s believed by those who have done research. 
 

No clue on my dads side. Just realized the other day that I haven’t ever thought of it/ haven’t heard about it. European, but not sure what. 
 

Wife’s family is Irish and Scottish. 

[The Guy In Pants]

“What a racist question.”

 

 

 

 

People are ***** stupid.

[4merper4mer]

I saw this DNA show on Discovery or something a few years back.

 

All our ancestors come from the same place.

[3rdnlng]

13 minutes ago, 4merper4mer said:

I saw this DNA show on Discovery or something a few years back.

 

 

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All our ancestors come from the same place.

 

Canada?

[4merper4mer]

2 minutes ago, 3rdnlng said:

Canada?

Frozen DNA evolves slooooooooooooooooooowly

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

18 hours ago, bilzfancy said:

Old-time is NOT a xenophobe, Christ, you have a label for everyone. 

 

 

...thanks bro.......he's a real gem, equally "legendary" on the football side......my SIMPLE point (probably why it evaded him) was that my ancestral grandparents  as were yours (knowing your Italian heritage) did it the LEGAL WAY through Ellis Island.....but his tin foil hat exudes, "Immigration laws are made to be broken and circumvented"..........brilliance......

Edited July 11, 2020 by OldTimeAFLGuy

[Reality Check]

 

My ancestors came from the Crab Nebula...