There should be a national dialogue in getting back to work

[shoshin]

14 minutes ago, GG said:

 

Lazy journalism.   Funny how Germany's numbers are trending now, and everyone is focusing on German health authorities sounding the alarm that estimated transmission rate is moving above R1.1.   Of course that was the only thing picked from the German report, which is chockfull of data and has other statistics that contradict the worrisome trend that the virus is on the rebound.   Little things like actual infection rates and hospitalizations, which continue to decline:

 

 

My biggest problem with the R coefficient is that it's an estimate based on dubious data.  How many times have all the models that were based on that mythical R -value needed to be revised, because they were woefully wrong?  I'm not going to impugn the academics' motives, because they're trying their best given the information.  But, we also have to recognize that their shading is always to the negative, because there's no penalty to them for erring on the downside.  If you add their role in advising public policy, there's a true disincentive to be more optimistic in their modeling.

 

That's why you continue to see a more negative slant from academia, despite what the actual numbers say.  And the press eats it up, without truly examining the numbers.

 

Doom and gloom sells for sure.

 

But look to Germany for a country doing a lot of testing and a pretty compliant reopening to see what we may see. Like Italy and Spain were good predictors of when we could expect to peak, Germany will be a decent measure of the optimistic end of what we can expect on reopening. 

[Orlando Buffalo]

37 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

Coronavirus Live Updates: Fauci to Warn of ‘Needless Suffering and Death’ if States Open Too Soon

The United States’ top infectious disease expert plans to testify at a Senate hearing that moving too quickly to ease restrictions could undermine the country’s quest to return to normalcy.

RIGHT NOW

The New York Times will be providing live coverage of the Senate hearing at 10 a.m. Eastern.

“The major message that I wish to convey to the Senate HLP committee tomorrow is the danger of trying to open the country prematurely,” he wrote. “If we skip over the checkpoints in the guidelines to ‘Open America Again,’ then we risk the danger of multiple outbreaks throughout the country. This will not only result in needless suffering and death, but would actually set us back on our quest to return to normal.”

It is a message starkly at odds with the “things are looking up” argument that President Trump has been trying to put out: that states are ready to reopen and the pandemic is under control.

Most of the country is ready to reopen. This past weekend I went a brewery and sat at a table without anyone helping me, I wiped it down ala Niles from Frasier, and I ordered my beers for me and my wife without coming within 5 feet of others except when I put my credit card in the machine. There is no reason most of the country outside the 5 largest cities can't open with some intelligent distancing. BTW I live in Orlando which is a top 25 city in America.

[B-Man]

WELL, YES: Quarantine Fatigue Is Real And Shaming People Won’t Help.

#StayHome had its moment. The United States urgently needed to flatten the curve and buy time to scale up health-care capacity, testing, and contact tracing. But quarantine fatigue is real. I’m not talking about the people who are staging militaristic protests against the supposed coronavirus hoax. I’m talking about those who are experiencing the profound burden of extreme physical and social distancing. In addition to the economic hardship it causes, isolation can severely damage psychological well-being, especially for people who were already depressed or anxious before the crisis started. In a recent poll by the Kaiser Family Foundation, nearly half of Americans said that the coronavirus pandemic has harmed their mental health. . . .

 

But the choice between staying home indefinitely and returning to business as usual now is a false one. Risk is not binary. And an all-or-nothing approach to disease prevention can have unintended consequences. Individuals may fixate on unlikely sources of contagion—the package in the mail, the runner or cyclist on the street—while undervaluing precautions, such as cloth masks, that are imperfect but helpful.

 

 

Related:

 

 

 

More Resistance in Michigan: Mayor of Perry Opens up the Town, Defying Gov. Whitmer

 

 

[Trump_is_Mentally_fit]

58 minutes ago, Buffalo Timmy said:

Most of the country is ready to reopen. This past weekend I went a brewery and sat at a table without anyone helping me, I wiped it down ala Niles from Frasier, and I ordered my beers for me and my wife without coming within 5 feet of others except when I put my credit card in the machine. There is no reason most of the country outside the 5 largest cities can't open with some intelligent distancing. BTW I live in Orlando which is a top 25 city in America.

But what type of beer were you drinking?  

[Whatnot78]

27 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

But what type of beer were you drinking?  

 

[Orlando Buffalo]

36 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

But what type of beer were you drinking?  

Wait is this a topic we can agree on?? We were  sharing- so we had a hefeweizen, an Irish red, a quad, and a scotch ale in what was basically a large flight. 

[Trump_is_Mentally_fit]

That's interesting about the pool testing for schools and colleges. 

[plenzmd1]

11 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

That's interesting about the pool testing for schools and colleges. 

I may have missed that..what did hear on that? 

[Trump_is_Mentally_fit]

1 minute ago, plenzmd1 said:

I may have missed that..what did hear on that? 

Sewage! They can check a campus sewage system to see if the virus is present 

[Boatdrinks]

1 minute ago, Tiberius said:

Sewage! They can check a campus sewage system to see if the virus is present 

True. Gross, but true. 

[plenzmd1]

6 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

Sewage! They can check a campus sewage system to see if the virus is present 

We talked about that like 4 weeks ago, super effective to spot outbreaks

[B-Man]

 

 

 

 

 

[Boatdrinks]

40 minutes ago, B-Man said:

 

 

 

 

 

Perhaps that could be a way to reframe the argument and recruit Democrat support ; By remaining locked down, we are favoring the protection of an older, more well to do, largely Caucasian population in expensive nursing homes while ignoring the working poor and the homeless. It’s an inequality ; it’s unfair. 

[B-Man]

7 minutes ago, Boatdrinks said:

Perhaps that could be a way to reframe the argument and recruit Democrat support ; By remaining locked down, we are favoring the protection of an older, more well to do, largely Caucasian population in expensive nursing homes while ignoring the working poor and the homeless. It’s an inequality ; it’s unfair. 

 

 

Well ...................that should make sense to democrats, but.....................................................................Orange Man Bad.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Deranged Rhino]

[Warren Zevon]

- DR in Mich

[IDBillzFan]

3 hours ago, Boatdrinks said:

Perhaps that could be a way to reframe the argument and recruit Democrat support ; 

 

What evidence do you see that suggests the Democrats have ANY interest in a mutual plan to address the pandemic?

 

I don't need another fake headbob from the left to know how little they care about this country and the people who love to call it home.

 

These people legitimately told America  to go eff itself for an entire week before finally agreeing to the CARES Act, which kept millions of people on payrolls. Between that and every other gang rape they'd done to Trump, Kavanaugh, etc., I would no sooner try to bridge that gap than get Joe Biden to complete a full sentence without puking tapioca all over his bib.

 

They do not care about this country. They care about one thing and one thing only: power.

 

Eff' em.

 

 

[SoCal Deek]

1 minute ago, IDBillzFan said:

 

What evidence do you see that suggests the Democrats have ANY interest in a mutual plan to address the pandemic?

 

I don't need another fake headbob from the left to know how little they care about this country and the people who love to call it home.

 

These people legitimately told America  to go eff itself for an entire week before finally agreeing to the CARES Act, which kept millions of people on payrolls. Between that and every other gang rape they'd done to Trump, Kavanaugh, etc., I would no sooner try to bridge that gap than get Joe Biden to complete a full sentence without puking tapioca all over his bib.

 

They do not care about this country. They care about one thing and one thing only: power.

 

Eff' em.

 

 

Close...they care about CONTROL. You’ve seen that on full display during the pandemic. Power is the tool they use to get to their goal...which is, control!

[Magox]

4 hours ago, B-Man said:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

So what does Los Angeles do?

 

They announce that they will be in lock down for another 3 months.

2 hours ago, Deranged Rhino said:

 

It would funny if it weren't so sad.  This is literally their position on this.  

[SoCal Deek]

2 minutes ago, Magox said:

 

 

It would funny if it weren't so sad.  This is literally their position on this.  

Shouldn't at least one of the hands in that cartoon, be a person of color!  You can pick which one.