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Just now, Uncle Joe said:

 

I think Trump is doing a 2 step around this issue right now in public. Between his China trade deal, the current global ramifications of the pandemic and the need for some cooperation with China.

 

He can, and will hit WHO first.

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Just saw DRs post above. Still  a  relatively soft response by Trump standards.

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33 minutes ago, billsfan1959 said:

 

I didn't say it wasn't happening. However, before a legitimate discussion can happen pertaining to any shortage of PPE, or healthcare workers contracting the virus because of that shortage, we should start with the actual statistics and sources regarding the topic - rather than a generic "healthcare workers are getting the virus because of a shortage of PPE."

 

I love #s but on some things, I have only anecdotes from home. My wife and her team are very close to the ICU people (lots of overlap). The ICU docs are saying that they feel like they've never seen anything like the last two weeks. They are not performing CPR in most cases because they can't take the time from other patients and they can't get into the positive respirators fast enough and the patients expelled so much fluid when they perform it. Ventilator patients are almost all dying. And we live in an area that is not "hard hit" with cases. So just because you may not be seeing lines out the door or hear that ventilators are running out, the humans on the ground dealing with this are under assault and we need to be really careful with our recovery. 

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3 minutes ago, Uncle Joe said:

Just saw DRs post above. Still  a  relatively soft response by Trump standards.

 

First shot across the bow.  His usual MO.

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4 minutes ago, Uncle Joe said:

Just saw DRs post above. Still  a  relatively soft response by Trump standards.

 

He'll go after their funding next. 

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48 minutes ago, shoshin said:

 

There is definitely a shortage if you count people needing to re-use old masks and use makeshift PPE. That is 100% happening and until this hit, was considered unthinkable.

 

It's what we have to do right now, but it is real. I don't have a doctor friend locally who isn't seeing it. And our healthcare for things that are considered "nonessential" procedures is in the shitter right now. Coming out of this, we will have a different kind of healthcare crisis where a lot of people are sicker than they were before this started from many other things. My wife's patients are starting to have really serious issues and getting triage treatments in their homes. It is a long ways from ideal. 

 

I'm not a doom-and-gloom guy on CV-19. I think it's under control and going away. But there are secondary effects coming. No rainbows and unicorns as we come out of this, and we have to be really careful this doesn't happen twice.  

 

My neighbor's 7 month old girl is having an open heart operation on Thursday, which if successful, will give her time to an age 7 surgery, which would be her last they hope. She will be hospitalized for two weeks. Best doctors in the world. Best health system in the world. But even still, the support around the baby will not be the same as an operation that took place when she was born. They've been told this. 


Part of the "cure" being worse than the disease, and it sucks.



 

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3 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said:

 

He'll go after their funding next. 

Yeah, hit em where it hurts. Then tell them we can't afford funding as much because of the economic effects of the Wuhan virus.

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Please be advised: your failure to accept at face value official Chinese virus statistics,

 

can only be explained by your slavish devotion to the TrumpCult

 

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2 hours ago, Joe in Winslow said:

 

So saith our resident "moderate independent."

 

 

Meaning I don't trust most politicians either party.   I believe in bipartisan  government  which is not possible now. 

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6 minutes ago, Buffalo_Gal said:

This is interesting.
 

 

Not surprising.  Always be skeptical of anything you get from China.

 

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Fire her ass.

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33 minutes ago, Buffalo_Gal said:


Part of the "cure" being worse than the disease, and it sucks.



 

 

I think the thing to be mindful of here is that we can't just get back to work and assume the healthcare can handle what is happening now a second time. It's not that stockpiling ventilators and PPP will make this OK if the cases spike in August. We really will need a clear plan to make sure this is a single event. 

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2 minutes ago, shoshin said:

 

I think the thing to be mindful of here is that we can't just get back to work and assume the healthcare can handle what is happening now a second time. It's not that stockpiling ventilators and PPP will make this OK if the cases spike in August. We really will need a clear plan to make sure this is a single event. 

 

Freedom is hard, and at times dangerous. There's no perfect solution, there's no guarantee that the virus will be all the way gone. But giving up our freedom out of fear is not a long term solution. You got about 2-3 weeks of compliance left with most people. After that, you're going to get into dangerous territory in terms of civil disobedience in major population centers. 

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“The past 48 hours or so have seen a huge revelation: COVID-19 causes prolonged and progressive hypoxia (starving your body of oxygen) by binding to the heme groups in hemoglobin in your red blood cells. People are simply desaturating (losing o2 in their blood), and that’s what eventually leads to organ failures that kill them, not any form of ARDS or pneumonia.“

 

 

https://web.archive.org/web/20200405061401/https://medium.com/@agaiziunas/covid-19-had-us-all-fooled-but-now-we-might-have-finally-found-its-secret-91182386efcb

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4 minutes ago, Pilsner said:

“The past 48 hours or so have seen a huge revelation: COVID-19 causes prolonged and progressive hypoxia (starving your body of oxygen) by binding to the heme groups in hemoglobin in your red blood cells. People are simply desaturating (losing o2 in their blood), and that’s what eventually leads to organ failures that kill them, not any form of ARDS or pneumonia.“

 

 

https://web.archive.org/web/20200405061401/https://medium.com/@agaiziunas/covid-19-had-us-all-fooled-but-now-we-might-have-finally-found-its-secret-91182386efcb

 

That's gibes with something I've heard that a lot of patients are on oxygen (not ventilators). 

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