leh-nerd skin-erd Posted July 16, 2021 Share Posted July 16, 2021 1 hour ago, dpberr said: Are people like smokers, the obese, and those with herpes/STDs next on your irresponsible list? I'd argue a smoker who got vaccinated but hasn't stopped smoking and similarly, an obese vaccinated person who's made no effort to lose weight, are just as irresponsible according to your concept. They've done nothing to reduce their comorbidities of catching covid other than taking a shot and hoping they've got enough antibodies if necessary. So, on this note.,,we’re back to choice, actions and consequences. Until there is a National referendum on obesity, drug addiction whatever…we’re right where we are with people who choose not to vaxx. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sundancer Posted July 16, 2021 Share Posted July 16, 2021 1 hour ago, dpberr said: Are people like smokers, the obese, and those with herpes/STDs next on your irresponsible list? I'd argue a smoker who got vaccinated but hasn't stopped smoking and similarly, an obese vaccinated person who's made no effort to lose weight, are just as irresponsible according to your concept. They've done nothing to reduce their comorbidities of catching covid other than taking a shot and hoping they've got enough antibodies if necessary. As exciting as that conversation would be, we’re talking here about a new virus taxing our healthcare system with an easy solution to untax the system. 2 minutes ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said: So, on this note.,,we’re back to choice, actions and consequences. Until there is a National referendum on obesity, drug addiction whatever…we’re right where we are with people who choose not to vaxx. No. This is a pandemic, not the steady flow of patients that we can predict. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dpberr Posted July 17, 2021 Share Posted July 17, 2021 10 minutes ago, Sundancer said: As exciting as that conversation would be, we’re talking here about a new virus taxing our healthcare system with an easy solution to untax the system. No. This is a pandemic, not the steady flow of patients that we can predict. It's your slippery slope you proposed. I'm just rolling with your idea that we shouldn't stop on the irresponsible persons tour at just an unvaccinated individual. It's too simplistic. Obesity and diabetes are perhaps the top two major comorbidities for Covid infection, also arguably at pandemic levels in the US. I'd expect a similar aggressive campaign to get people slimmed down for their safety and the safety of others. There should be mandatory food restrictions and mandatory levels of exercise for anyone with a BMI over 30. If you try to buy soda at the store, you'll need your FitBit to show the cashier you are under that 30. The FitBits are free, provided by your state government. There is no excuse to not wear one. There should be mandated weight loss medication taken, as it is widely available, safe, effective. Do your part. Of course that's deliberate sarcasm on my part. It's your body. I can't and shouldn't be able to demand you do anything to your body. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sundancer Posted July 17, 2021 Share Posted July 17, 2021 (edited) 5 minutes ago, dpberr said: It's your slippery slope you proposed. I'm just rolling with your idea that we shouldn't stop on the irresponsible persons tour at just an unvaccinated individual. It's too simplistic. Obesity and diabetes are perhaps the top two major comorbidities for Covid infection, also arguably at pandemic levels in the US. I'd expect a similar aggressive campaign to get people slimmed down for their safety and the safety of others. There should be mandatory food restrictions and mandatory levels of exercise for anyone with a BMI over 30. If you try to buy soda at the store, you'll need your FitBit to show the cashier you are under that 30. The FitBits are free, provided by your state government. There is no excuse to not wear one. There should be mandated weight loss medication taken, as it is widely available, safe, effective. Do your part. Of course that's deliberate sarcasm on my part. It's your body. I can't and shouldn't be able to demand you do anything to your body. You’re talking about a slippery slope and mandates. I just pointed out how irresponsible and stupid people are who can get vaxxed and don’t. Different issues. And again, we’re talking about something that went from 0 to #2 killer in the US in a year and dumped on our healthcare system. Not something we were already dealing with. I have scabies and sit in your gym sauna. My body my choice right? Edited July 17, 2021 by Sundancer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leh-nerd skin-erd Posted July 17, 2021 Share Posted July 17, 2021 28 minutes ago, Sundancer said: As exciting as that conversation would be, we’re talking here about a new virus taxing our healthcare system with an easy solution to untax the system. No. This is a pandemic, not the steady flow of patients that we can predict. So I’m 59, height and weight right on target. Blood pressure, cholesterol managed, pay attention to my diet, get regular exercise and have what the ladies call “bedroom eyes”. I am concerned about the necessity of the vaccine, concerned about some of the stories about adverse reactions and the like. I realize the risk is low, but someone always draws the short straw and so I ponder. I’m not a conspiracy guy, get the flu vaccine regularly, but am bright enough to know that I have no comorbidities, am not necessarily in the danger zone for Covid death, but also recognize I could be the guy who draws the very short straw and ends up sick and dies. At the same time, I’ve watched the people in the know pimping the vax as something necessary, noble and just absolutely disregard protocol that we’ve been assured was required to keep us safe, bandying about unmasked, undistanced, traveling in spite of their restrictions and begging forgiveness when exposed. To boot, they shout to the rafters about following the guidelines for the complaint and whistle past the super spreader mass protests last year, not a thing about noble just and necessary protocol during that time. Your positioning is that it’s incumbent on me to disregard what I know, read, and vax up because the people who ignore the last 4 or 5 decades of research on the perils of obesity, drug addiction, smoking, alcohol in excess, reckless driving have a reserved spot in front of me? That seems exceptionally unreasonable, and I’m vaccinated. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sundancer Posted July 17, 2021 Share Posted July 17, 2021 (edited) 15 minutes ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said: So I’m 59, height and weight right on target. Blood pressure, cholesterol managed, pay attention to my diet, get regular exercise and have what the ladies call “bedroom eyes”. I am concerned about the necessity of the vaccine, concerned about some of the stories about adverse reactions and the like. I realize the risk is low, but someone always draws the short straw and so I ponder. I’m not a conspiracy guy, get the flu vaccine regularly, but am bright enough to know that I have no comorbidities, am not necessarily in the danger zone for Covid death, but also recognize I could be the guy who draws the very short straw and ends up sick and dies. At the same time, I’ve watched the people in the know pimping the vax as something necessary, noble and just absolutely disregard protocol that we’ve been assured was required to keep us safe, bandying about unmasked, undistanced, traveling in spite of their restrictions and begging forgiveness when exposed. To boot, they shout to the rafters about following the guidelines for the complaint and whistle past the super spreader mass protests last year, not a thing about noble just and necessary protocol during that time. Your positioning is that it’s incumbent on me to disregard what I know, read, and vax up because the people who ignore the last 4 or 5 decades of research on the perils of obesity, drug addiction, smoking, alcohol in excess, reckless driving have a reserved spot in front of me? That seems exceptionally unreasonable, and I’m vaccinated. If people who don’t get vaccinated (but could have) will agree not use the hospital resources, seems like that’s a fair way to deal with the consequence of that choice. That’s their skin in the game as Nassim Taleb would say. Edited July 17, 2021 by Sundancer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Blitz Posted July 17, 2021 Share Posted July 17, 2021 (edited) Wow.....Friday evening news bomb! CDC warns Covid-19 vaccines might not protect people who are immunocompromised The US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention on Friday warned people who are immunocompromised that the Covid-19 vaccine may not have been effective for them and encouraged them to take precautions as if they were not vaccinated. "People who are immunocompromised should be counseled about the potential for reduced immune responses to COVID-19 vaccines and to follow current prevention measures (including wearing a mask, staying 6 feet apart from others staying they don't live with, and avoiding crowds and poorly ventilated indoor spaces) to protect themselves against COVID-19 until advised otherwise by their healthcare provider," according to the CDC's website. https://www.cnn.com/2021/07/16/health/cdc-warning-covid-19-vaccine-immunocompromised/index.html We're done here folks. Edited July 17, 2021 by Big Blitz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted July 17, 2021 Share Posted July 17, 2021 WELL, OF COURSE HE IS: Biden is putting politics ahead of stopping the COVID spread. https://nypost.com/2021/07/15/biden-is-putting-politics-ahead-of-stopping-the-covid-spread/ 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leh-nerd skin-erd Posted July 17, 2021 Share Posted July 17, 2021 1 hour ago, Sundancer said: If people who don’t get vaccinated (but could have) will agree not use the hospital resources, seems like that’s a fair way to deal with the consequence of that choice. That’s their skin in the game as Nassim Taleb would say. Or they could consider their options, decide the course of action they choose to follow, and if they get sick, avail themselves of all available medical options. I think they think my solution is much more fair. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SectionC3 Posted July 17, 2021 Share Posted July 17, 2021 8 hours ago, SoCal Deek said: Stop calling people stupid when it comes to their personal medical decisions. You have no idea what someone may be dealing with. Don’t be such an arse! After the last five years, this is the diction that alarms you. Amazing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted July 17, 2021 Share Posted July 17, 2021 The Los Angeles County Sheriff’s Department will NOT enforce the new indoor mask mandate But the Los Angeles County Sheriff’s Department just told the Los Angeles County of Public Health to go pound sand and announced they will NOT be enforcing the mandate: 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeGOATski Posted July 17, 2021 Share Posted July 17, 2021 2 hours ago, Big Blitz said: Wow.....Friday evening news bomb! CDC warns Covid-19 vaccines might not protect people who are immunocompromised The US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention on Friday warned people who are immunocompromised that the Covid-19 vaccine may not have been effective for them and encouraged them to take precautions as if they were not vaccinated. "People who are immunocompromised should be counseled about the potential for reduced immune responses to COVID-19 vaccines and to follow current prevention measures (including wearing a mask, staying 6 feet apart from others staying they don't live with, and avoiding crowds and poorly ventilated indoor spaces) to protect themselves against COVID-19 until advised otherwise by their healthcare provider," according to the CDC's website. https://www.cnn.com/2021/07/16/health/cdc-warning-covid-19-vaccine-immunocompromised/index.html We're done here folks. They're immunocompromised.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted July 17, 2021 Share Posted July 17, 2021 4 hours ago, dpberr said: Of course that's deliberate sarcasm on my part. It's your body. I can't and shouldn't be able to demand you do anything to your body. Does that include late term abortions? That's where I struggle when other lives are at stake which is kind of the crux of the vaccine debate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Blitz Posted July 17, 2021 Share Posted July 17, 2021 Oh no!!!!! Flu found among elite athletes!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Blitz Posted July 17, 2021 Share Posted July 17, 2021 1 hour ago, LeGOATski said: They're immunocompromised.... Ok? And? They've just been told the vaccine isn't going to work for them and for many who may be living their last weeks, months, or years (this is going to last longer until a real deal counter insurrection is launched) away from and isolated from everyone else. That's what your deep blue ***t hole states are going to factor in to their baseless decisions to forever mitigate, or lock back down, or fully mask everyone. I thought I was getting vaccinated to protect them? Guess not. Any one else ready to believe yet or you still sucking up what the WHO/CCP/DNC/Fauci are selling you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeGOATski Posted July 17, 2021 Share Posted July 17, 2021 14 minutes ago, Big Blitz said: Ok? And? They've just been told the vaccine isn't going to work for them and for many who may be living their last weeks, months, or years (this is going to last longer until a real deal counter insurrection is launched) away from and isolated from everyone else. That's what your deep blue ***t hole states are going to factor in to their baseless decisions to forever mitigate, or lock back down, or fully mask everyone. I thought I was getting vaccinated to protect them? Guess not. Any one else ready to believe yet or you still sucking up what the WHO/CCP/DNC/Fauci are selling you? This is the case for ALL vaccines for immunocompromised people. None of them could be effective. I guarantee you this is not a bombshell announcement for such a person. Basically, just a reminder. You're freaking out over something you lack any understanding of. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Blitz Posted July 17, 2021 Share Posted July 17, 2021 24 minutes ago, LeGOATski said: This is the case for ALL vaccines for immunocompromised people. None of them could be effective. I guarantee you this is not a bombshell announcement for such a person. Basically, just a reminder. You're freaking out over something you lack any understanding of. Which of the over 10 million immunocompromised Americans? Cancer patients or organ recipients? Which types of cancer patients? We've been told that the vaccines work for most in those categories up until today's CNN report brought to you by the CDDNC which is working overtime to keep the pandemic going. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeGOATski Posted July 17, 2021 Share Posted July 17, 2021 44 minutes ago, Big Blitz said: Which of the over 10 million immunocompromised Americans? Cancer patients or organ recipients? Which types of cancer patients? We've been told that the vaccines work for most in those categories up until today's CNN report brought to you by the CDDNC which is working overtime to keep the pandemic going. You've been told wrong or misunderstood. This is and always has been the nature of the problem for immunocompromised people. Any vaccines may not be as effective because they're...wait for jt... immunocompromised. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sundancer Posted July 17, 2021 Share Posted July 17, 2021 2 hours ago, LeGOATski said: You've been told wrong or misunderstood. This is and always has been the nature of the problem for immunocompromised people. Any vaccines may not be as effective because they're...wait for jt... immunocompromised. He’s a troll. Don’t waste your time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Blitz Posted July 17, 2021 Share Posted July 17, 2021 (edited) With The Delta Variant Spreading Fast, Is It Time To Mask Up Again? https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2021/07/17/1017075240/delta-variant-is-spreading-fast-and-new-cases-are-rising-is-time-to-mask-up-agai Events Are Still Being Canceled Because — Reminder — We're Still Living In A Pandemic People who refuse to get vaccinated are playing a big role in COVID's continued spread, leading to concerts, music festivals, cruises, and more getting canceled. "Getting back to a “new normal” will be all about getting people vaccinated, MacDonald said. Until then, coronavirus outbreaks will continue to flare up and new variants will evolve, especially in areas with a lot of transmissions." https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/paigeskinner/covid-events-canceled And we always will Edited July 17, 2021 by Big Blitz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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