Gene Frenkle Posted May 13, 2020 Share Posted May 13, 2020 25 minutes ago, Reality Check said: https://www.forbes.com/sites/alexledsom/2020/05/10/hydroxychloroquinenumber-of-prescriptions-explode-in-france/ Does that mean it works now? It either does or it doesn't. I wonder what chiropractors think about this. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reality Check Posted May 13, 2020 Share Posted May 13, 2020 1 minute ago, Gene Frenkle said: Does that mean it works now? It either does or it doesn't. I wonder what chiropractors think about this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gene Frenkle Posted May 13, 2020 Share Posted May 13, 2020 Just now, Reality Check said: I suppose we should see the death rate in France drop off a cliff now, huh? In Reality, your magical gut-feel "science" isn't as solid as you think it is. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reality Check Posted May 13, 2020 Share Posted May 13, 2020 1 minute ago, Gene Frenkle said: I suppose we should see the death rate in France drop off a cliff now, huh? In Reality, your magical gut-feel "science" isn't as solid as you think it is. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gene Frenkle Posted May 13, 2020 Share Posted May 13, 2020 1 minute ago, Reality Check said: Yeah, let's remember to track how much better France does with deaths vs the rest of the world going forward. If you're right, it should be obvious. I'll keep an eye out while you troll the interwebs finding the next magical cure. Keep posting videos instead of supporting your own argument with, like, words. You're doing god's work. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Bills Fan Posted May 13, 2020 Share Posted May 13, 2020 https://covid19tracker.health.ny.gov/views/NYS-COVID19-Tracker/NYSDOHCOVID-19Tracker-DailyTracker?%3Aembed=yes&%3Atoolbar=no&%3Atabs=n This site is really good to check out. So much details to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reality Check Posted May 13, 2020 Share Posted May 13, 2020 1 minute ago, Gene Frenkle said: Yeah, let's remember to track how much better France does with deaths vs the rest of the world going forward. If you're right, it should be obvious. I'll keep an eye out while you troll the interwebs finding the next magical cure. Keep posting videos instead of supporting your own argument with, like, words. You're doing god's work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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LeGOATski Posted May 13, 2020 Share Posted May 13, 2020 3 hours ago, B-Man said: “Social Distancing” Is Snake Oil, Not Science. There was never good evidence to support its efficacy. Except there is... simple Google search will turn up peer-reviewed studies with actual science. That article was written in 2006 and scientists have been aware of the threat of such a virus for a long time. Strange times we live in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shoshin Posted May 13, 2020 Share Posted May 13, 2020 6 hours ago, LeGOATski said: Except there is... simple Google search will turn up peer-reviewed studies with actual science. That article was written in 2006 and scientists have been aware of the threat of such a virus for a long time. Strange times we live in. Twitter science is often perceived as better than actual science. Finding a source to promote a preconceived notions is all that matters. There's an article cited by here that says cloth masks are ineffective in hospital settings for health care workers. Patients aren't wearing them in the study. The HCWs are exposed all day to hundreds of sick people. No tracking of cleaning or changing masks. And that study is extrapolated to justify a belief that masks are useless. The CDC says to wear them. the White House requires them. An article gathering tens of papers noting how effective they are to stem spread gets dismissed. It's a faith that hot and itchy masks make no difference. It is reminiscent of the creationists who revel in finding something that confounds evolutionary biologists and seize on it as evidence that evolution is wrong. It's an anti-science bent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hardhatharry Posted May 13, 2020 Share Posted May 13, 2020 6 hours ago, LeGOATski said: Except there is... simple Google search will turn up peer-reviewed studies with actual science. That article was written in 2006 and scientists have been aware of the threat of such a virus for a long time. Strange times we live in. Bman posts so much false information it's like he does it purposely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Posted May 13, 2020 Share Posted May 13, 2020 Just now, Hardhatharry said: Bman posts so much false information it's like he does it purposely. Oh the Irony! 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shoshin Posted May 13, 2020 Share Posted May 13, 2020 (edited) It looks like the TB vaccine studies are starting. We discussed this somewhere in the depths of this thread and hopefully the testing shows something promising. The correlative data points (countries that still give TB vaccines show lower spread and mortality) right now could be due to a lot of factors so actual tests will be important to see if the vaccine itself helps or not. Quote First hurdle overcome ThePaul Ehrlich Institute has already approved the phase III clinical trial for VPM1002 against COVID-19. It is being conducted at various German hospitals, including the Hannover Medical School (MHH). As of the beginning of May, scientists have been testing whether the new tuberculosis vaccine activates the immune system in a non-specific way. "This should help to alleviate the severe progression of respiratory diseases such as COVID-19," Jacobus Bosch tells DW. He is one of the scientists in the team headed by Professor Christoph Schindler, who is lead author of the study. It focuses on the vaccine's effect as a possible agent against COVID-19. "The new tuberculosis vaccine VPM 1002 will be tested in Hanover exclusively for its efficacy in the current SARS-CoV-2 pandemic situation," says Bosch. The first nationwide study involves 1,000 test persons. They all work in the medical field and are therefore particularly exposed to a possible infection. "In a further study, we plan to investigate the efficacy of the improved tuberculosis vaccine VPM1002 in people over the age of 60. The question here is whether VPM1002 can effectively protect this age group, which is currently particularly at risk," the study's director, Schindler, explains. The second study will involve 2,000 volunteers from all over Germany It may prove to be another Covid treatment dead end but it's something to watch. The idea here is not that it will work to keep everyone safe like a Civid-19 specific vaccine, but it may crank up the immune response enough that we respond better and faster to Covid, keeping it more manageable. Edited May 13, 2020 by shoshin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reality Check Posted May 13, 2020 Share Posted May 13, 2020 Quick question. How come after these presidential press conferences the reporters tend to take their masks off and completely ignore the social distancing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shoshin Posted May 13, 2020 Share Posted May 13, 2020 (edited) The Remdesivir studies are also increasing in scope, as scientists look to pair it with other treatments since its effectiveness is incomplete. Quote Remdesivir, originally aimed at treating Ebola, has emerged as the go-to Covid-19 treatment. Federal health regulators quickly authorized its emergency use May 1, after it proved effective in a large, rigorously-designed study. Hospitals are lined up for doses. But the drug isn’t a silver bullet. So far at least, it has shown to be only modestly effective in treating a sliver of very sick patients. Remdesivir’s standard use in Covid-19 treatment “can be misleading because it suggests this is very, very good therapy, but it isn’t,” said Anthony Fauci, director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases. “It’s standard because it’s better than nothing,” Dr. Fauci said. 3 minutes ago, Reality Check said: Quick question. How come after these presidential press conferences the reporters tend to take their masks off and completely ignore the social distancing? As of yesterday, everyone in the WH has to wear a mask. I'm not sure why there wasn't distancing between the people on stage all along but it seems like they are starting to do the right thing. Edited May 13, 2020 by shoshin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shoshin Posted May 13, 2020 Share Posted May 13, 2020 List of countries that have re-instituted lockdowns after reopening: China, Korea, Lebanon, Japan, Iran, Singapore Germany is one to watch. That's a bad trend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reality Check Posted May 13, 2020 Share Posted May 13, 2020 33 minutes ago, shoshin said: The Remdesivir studies are also increasing in scope, as scientists look to pair it with other treatments since its effectiveness is incomplete. As of yesterday, everyone in the WH has to wear a mask. I'm not sure why there wasn't distancing between the people on stage all along but it seems like they are starting to do the right thing. I was REFERENCING the REPORTERS behavior after every press conference, but you already new that. You are a polished PR man. Very good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plenzmd1 Posted May 13, 2020 Share Posted May 13, 2020 4 minutes ago, shoshin said: List of countries that have re-instituted lockdowns after reopening: China, Korea, Lebanon, Japan, Iran, Singapore Germany is one to watch. That's a bad trend. where are you getting that info? TV just said Japan looks like back to normal on Friday, and China just retesting everyone in Wuhan after 6 new cases. Such a huge problem now, we as a people cant even be sure what is what anymore. You see/read one thing, i see/read the exact opposite.. and @Deranged Rhino says I told ya so LOL!!! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hardhatharry Posted May 13, 2020 Share Posted May 13, 2020 1 hour ago, westside2 said: Oh the Irony! I havent... So I guess you are talking about yourself? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mead107 Posted May 13, 2020 Share Posted May 13, 2020 https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/deaths.htm how much higher will our number of deaths be over 2017. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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