Bing Bong Posted January 3, 2020 Author Share Posted January 3, 2020 (edited) 5 minutes ago, matter2003 said: I think the magnitude and depth of the hits far outweighs any of the misses. In addition to not only getting players that are good but also ones that buy into what is being taught here, the family atmosphere and the culture. That stuff is all important or else you end up like Cleveland this year. In addition to making the playoffs while setting us up for future success with nearly $90 million of cap space next year. The off the field stuff might be even MORE important than what has happened on the field. Right. I guess my point is I'm giving a lot of that culture to McDermott's job as HC. I'm probably just grading on a curve here to make McD stand out more, but Beane's been more than good enough to stick with. Not calling for his head or anything. Y'all be complaining about a B-.. 5 minutes ago, matter2003 said: Look at the Rams...they went for one year of glory by trading away all their high picks and didn't get it. Now they have cap hell and no picks for the next 2-3 years, not to mention an albatross of a contract they gave Goff that looks like one of the worst decisions ever made in the NFL. What are THEY going to do? I'd have called it worth it had they beaten the Patriots. Thought the GM was doing great until they resigned Gurley. Also quite a bit of bad luck with his injury. Edited January 3, 2020 by BarkleyForGOATBackupPT5P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bing Bong Posted January 3, 2020 Author Share Posted January 3, 2020 14 minutes ago, matter2003 said: 3) Find the right type of players who will all mesh together and have no ego's but want to play and win for each other in one of the ultimate "Me" sports. My philosophy is the HC makes them this way. Look at Randy Moss with Belicheck. Had he spent his whole career in NE I think we have a totally different opinion on his character. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangarang Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 23 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said: Beane is an easy A. He turned the entire roster in 2 years, may have found his QB and has $90m+ in cap space. He’s the most responsible IMO. McDermott is an A-/B+ from me. Culture is fantastic. Team is disciplined and prepared. Clock management and challenges still need work. Daboll is a B- from me. He’s not creative enough in the red zone for me. I also think Josh needs to run early in games to get into the flow. Frazier is an A-. He’s done a nice job with a really talented defense. My only gripe is that I’d like them to attack a touch more. Josh is a B-. He has shown flashes of what he can become. He needs to be more accurate and consistent. He’s taking the steps though. If he keeps on this trajectory he’s going to be a really good NFL QB. I think this is fair and pretty close to where I am as well. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jletha Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 (edited) 7 minutes ago, BarkleyForGOATBackupPT5P said: Right. I guess my point is I'm giving a lot of that culture to McDermott's job as HC. I'm probably just grading on a curve here to make McD stand out more, but Beane's been more than good enough to stick with. Not calling for his head or anything. Y'all be complaining about a B-.. Because were in the playoffs with $90 mill in cap space and essentially an entirely new offense. This year alone he hit on Brown, Beasley, Morse, Knox, Singletary and a bunt single on Ford. That is a LOT to get right in one offseason and have come together. Edited January 3, 2020 by jletha 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bing Bong Posted January 3, 2020 Author Share Posted January 3, 2020 (edited) 2 minutes ago, jletha said: Because were in the playoffs with $90 mill in cap space and essentially an entirely new offense. This year alone he hit on Brown, Beasley, Morse, Knox, Singletary and a bunt on Ford. That is a LOT to get right in one offseason. Brown and Beasley should be the caliber recievers any team has. Correcting the group to league average isn't hard. Look at how McKenzie stood out last year. The group was so bad anybody most any practice squad player with a feel for football could stand out as a capable WR It's a step in the right direction Edited January 3, 2020 by BarkleyForGOATBackupPT5P 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussie Joe Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 (edited) I’ll grade them after they play their last game of the season in 4 weeks time Edited January 3, 2020 by Aussie Joe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magox Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 Beane A. Totally revamped the roster with boatloads of cash and draft picks to continue to improve the team McD A. Changed the culture of the team and has got this team playing so well that it’s difficult to beat them Daboll B- Great schemes, each game is unique in that they change their identity for the game. That has its pluses and minuses. His play calling at times isn’t the best Leslie Frazier A- Hard to gauge his impact. I just believe this is McD’s defense and has his footprints all over it Josh Allen B. I would give him a higher grade considering that he never played for a major program and was very raw coming in and has markedly improved his play. He is an absolute gamer and the heart and soul of the offense 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jletha Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 5 minutes ago, BarkleyForGOATBackupPT5P said: Brown and Beasley should be the caliber recievers any team has. Correcting the group to league average isn't hard. Look at how McKenzie stood out last year. The group was so bad anybody most any practice squad player with a feel for football could stand out as a capable WR It's a step in the right direction Disagree. Look at some of the other WRs that changed teams and how they did: Beckham, Randall Cobb, Crowder, Tate, Adam Humphries, etc. Theres a lot of signings that DO NOT work for lots of reasons, culture is one of them. Of the FA WR signings I would say that Brown and Beasley have been the most successful since both exceeded or met their career best performances. That is very difficult to do in any FA signings, let alone two in the same year. Youre underselling the job he did in terms of bringing in talent and managing the cap. I would say Beane almost deserves a higher grade than McDermott. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bing Bong Posted January 3, 2020 Author Share Posted January 3, 2020 (edited) 8 minutes ago, jletha said: Disagree. Look at some of the other WRs that changed teams and how they did: Beckham, Randall Cobb, Crowder, Tate, Adam Humphries, etc. Theres a lot of signings that DO NOT work for lots of reasons, culture is one of them. Of the FA WR signings I would say that Brown and Beasley have been the most successful since both exceeded or met their career best performances. That is very difficult to do in any FA signings, let alone two in the same year. Youre underselling the job he did in terms of bringing in talent and managing the cap. I would say Beane almost deserves a higher grade than McDermott. They weren't signed as the consensus top 2 WRs like in Buffalo. The GMs were paying attention to their WR group before those signing depth players.. not starters. I love Smoke and Beasley but they shouldn't be going up against the top CBs in the league. They're perfect as the 2 and 3. I'll happily give Beane an A in time if he can get the group to par. B is still waiting on him to wow me with the roster Edited January 3, 2020 by BarkleyForGOATBackupPT5P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rc2catch Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 19 minutes ago, jletha said: Because were in the playoffs with $90 mill in cap space and essentially an entirely new offense. This year alone he hit on Brown, Beasley, Morse, Knox, Singletary and a bunt single on Ford. That is a LOT to get right in one offseason and have come together. You forgot probably the best signing he made in Feliciano. Not splashy but a no doubt homerun. Just my 2 cents but he’s the nasty that really gets that line going. And Vosean just hiding away on IR as the forgotten man possibly making an impact next year. As fans we wanted a lot of shiny toys last offseason and we had no clue what he actually bought us. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fansince88 Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 8 minutes ago, Magox said: Beane A. Totally revamped the roster with boatloads of cash and draft picks to continue to improve the team McD A. Changed the culture of the team and has got this team playing so well that it’s difficult to beat them Daboll B- Great schemes, each game is unique in that they change their identity for the game. That has its pluses and minuses. His play calling at times isn’t the best Leslie Frazier A- Hard to gauge his impact. I just believe this is McD’s defense and has his footprints all over it Josh Allen B. I would give him a higher grade considering that he never played for a major program and was very raw coming in and has markedly improved his play. He is an absolute gamer and the heart and soul of the offense All in all I agree most with this one. I am not a hater on Daboll as many have been on this and other pages. That said, I like his scheme. I like his play designs. I do think he struggles as to when to call them though. But hey, if they all worked instead of not work he would be a genius. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jletha Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 1 minute ago, BarkleyForGOATBackupPT5P said: They weren't signed as the consensus top 2 WRs like in Buffalo. The GMs were paying attention to their WR group before those signing depth players.. not starters. Beckham and Tate werent top 2 options? Jamison CRowder was signed as a depth guy? Uhh... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fansince88 Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 Just now, Rc2catch said: You forgot probably the best signing he made in Feliciano. Not splashy but a no doubt homerun. Just my 2 cents but he’s the nasty that really gets that line going. And Vosean just hiding away on IR as the forgotten man possibly making an impact next year. As fans we wanted a lot of shiny toys last offseason and we had no clue what he actually bought us. He is so hidden I have forgotten what position he plays. No, really! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rc2catch Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 Just now, fansince88 said: He is so hidden I have forgotten what position he plays. No, really! Linebacker.. Another super speedy athletic guy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fansince88 Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 Just now, Rc2catch said: Linebacker.. Another super speedy athletic guy Yes. I remember now. I remember thinking he would take over for.....oh whats his name....the guy retiring....? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bing Bong Posted January 3, 2020 Author Share Posted January 3, 2020 (edited) 11 minutes ago, jletha said: Beckham and Tate werent top 2 options? Jamison CRowder was signed as a depth guy? Uhh... Ugh Beckham did just as fine as Brown. And FOH with Randall Cobb and Giants and Jets offense lol. They were all dumpster fires. Never said Beane was. Brown was a flat out better FA than Crowder for anybody at the time. Enunwa beat out Crowder Smoke didn't join an offense with Jarvis Landry or Amari Cooper eh? I love Smoke and Beasley but they shouldn't be going up against the top CBs in the league. They're perfect as the 2 and 3. I'll happily give Beane an A in time if he can get the group to par. B is still waiting on him to wow me with the roster Edited January 3, 2020 by BarkleyForGOATBackupPT5P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rc2catch Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 3 minutes ago, fansince88 said: Yes. I remember now. I remember thinking he would take over for.....oh whats his name....the guy retiring....? Lol I’m not sure he’s capable of taking that spot. But he is possibly a Milano replacement if they were to let him walk at a later date. Not what I want, just looks to be the role Joseph would fit on this defense. 3 minutes ago, BarkleyForGOATBackupPT5P said: I love Smoke and Beasley but they shouldn't be going up against the top CBs in the league. They're perfect as the 2 and 3. I'll happily give Beane an A in time if he can get the group to par. B is still waiting on him to wow me with the roster Wow you? You have extremely high expectations. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Otreply Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 (edited) BB = B+ maybe higher as the season is not over, needs a year or two more to fix the offense through acquisitions. SM = B maybe higher as the season is not over, needs to kick his OC in the asz to fix the offense, a bit stubborn in use and non use of players that do and don’t help the team. BD = C+ sometimes a B, seasons not over so..., play designs are good, but calls the wrong plays at times to the offenses detriment. LF = B never sure if it’s him or SM that’s responsible for what the D is doing, JA this year, C- to A not always on him as the whole offense loses focus during games for to long before recovering, receivers drop far to many passes. Has two additional receivers on the team that could help him, but the coaches won’t activate and actually use them in a normal rotation. That’s all I got, not enough motivation to go into more detail, just had a big lunch, kinda groggy, ?? Go Bills!!! Edited January 3, 2020 by Don Otreply 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fansince88 Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 Just now, Rc2catch said: Lol I’m not sure he’s capable of taking that spot. But he is possibly a Milano replacement if they were to let him walk at a later date. Not what I want, just looks to be the role Joseph would fit on this defense. This would truly make me sad. Glad you got your sarcasm meter on. Good form my friend. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bing Bong Posted January 3, 2020 Author Share Posted January 3, 2020 3 minutes ago, Rc2catch said: Wow you? You have extremely high expectations. Sure if an A+ is putting together the greatest show on turf over one off-season where does that put Beane..? A front office HC A and GM A is a 15-1 team. It's just my grading curve lol. B-/A is a great FO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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