Hapless Bills Fan Posted December 12, 2019 Share Posted December 12, 2019 Good Eric Turner article in the Athletic breaking down the Ravens defensive fronts, some of the breakdowns in the Bills protections, and the reason the Bills use so many empty sets (counterintuitively, it's to help Allen identify blitzes) Athletic, paywall. I think there's a trial. -he does point out (as Allen acknowledged and as others have) that there were open short quick throws Allen could have taken -as an aside, points out where Ravens got away with holding on several occasions to bottle up the "solution" the play was designed to have. -very interesting breakdowns of all the stunts and delayed blitzes Martindale dialed up and how Knox wound up 1 on 1 with Judon -counter-intuitively, points out that empty sets are used to allow Allen to see where the blitzers are coming from! and limit disguise (of course, it also limits protection): " Part of Daboll’s adjustments to the Ravens’ heavy pressure was to run the ball. Fifty of the Bills’ 104 rushing yards on the day came early in the second quarter, thanks to smart play calls and Allen’s checks at the line of scrimmage. In the passing game, Daboll decided to go more empty. Doing so against a “diamond” front or frequent blitzes allows the quarterback to see where the extra rushers are coming from and limits their ability to disguise those pressures." 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atlbillsfan1975 Posted December 12, 2019 Share Posted December 12, 2019 So Allen saw where the blitzes were coming from, did anyone else? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wvbillsfan Posted December 12, 2019 Share Posted December 12, 2019 I hope the takeaway from this game was to hit the short easy quick passes and take the 4 yards and move on. Coach to the QBs strength which isn’t hitting the long ball. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WideNine Posted December 12, 2019 Share Posted December 12, 2019 1 hour ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: Good Eric Turner article in the Athletic breaking down the Ravens defensive fronts, some of the breakdowns in the Bills protections, and the reason the Bills use so many empty sets (counterintuitively, it's to help Allen identify blitzes) Athletic, paywall. I think there's a trial. -he does point out (as Allen acknowledged and as others have) that there were open short quick throws Allen could have taken -as an aside, points out where Ravens got away with holding on several occasions to bottle up the "solution" the play was designed to have. -very interesting breakdowns of all the stunts and delayed blitzes Martindale dialed up and how Knox wound up 1 on 1 with Judon -counter-intuitively, points out that empty sets are used to allow Allen to see where the blitzers are coming from! and limit disguise (of course, it also limits protection): " Part of Daboll’s adjustments to the Ravens’ heavy pressure was to run the ball. Fifty of the Bills’ 104 rushing yards on the day came early in the second quarter, thanks to smart play calls and Allen’s checks at the line of scrimmage. In the passing game, Daboll decided to go more empty. Doing so against a “diamond” front or frequent blitzes allows the quarterback to see where the extra rushers are coming from and limits their ability to disguise those pressures." Good stuff. Ford still has to up his game too. They moved him inside for some runs, but he seemed often lost as to who he needed to block allowing plays that were the right call to get blown up from behind. I still think that Guard may eventually be his best spot, but the rookie has a lot to learn, and needs to pull faster on backside counter run concepts intended to negate aggressive pass rushers. Teams are going to keep going after him and Allen, but if he ear-holes his guy he will tap the breaks. The kid just has to focus on winning one rep at a time. Do that and the game takes care of itself. Get're done Bobby. . 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laughing Coffin Posted December 12, 2019 Share Posted December 12, 2019 Ford is so bad. He should be getting 0 reps next year at anything other than Guard. If he can't crack the lineup at OG he doesn't need to be on the field. He's so bad at RT and last game was one of his worst at run blocking, which is supposed to be more of his strong suit this early in his career. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CSBill Posted December 12, 2019 Share Posted December 12, 2019 Is it time to give Ryan Bates a look at right tackle, assuming Nsekhe is still out? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thenorthremembers Posted December 12, 2019 Share Posted December 12, 2019 The Ravens holding should have been known and Duke Williams should have been active. Foster has been useless this year. No reason to have both he and McKenzie active last week. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nihilarian Posted December 12, 2019 Share Posted December 12, 2019 8 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: Good Eric Turner article in the Athletic breaking down the Ravens defensive fronts, some of the breakdowns in the Bills protections, and the reason the Bills use so many empty sets (counterintuitively, it's to help Allen identify blitzes) Athletic, paywall. I think there's a trial. -he does point out (as Allen acknowledged and as others have) that there were open short quick throws Allen could have taken -as an aside, points out where Ravens got away with holding on several occasions to bottle up the "solution" the play was designed to have. -very interesting breakdowns of all the stunts and delayed blitzes Martindale dialed up and how Knox wound up 1 on 1 with Judon -counter-intuitively, points out that empty sets are used to allow Allen to see where the blitzers are coming from! and limit disguise (of course, it also limits protection): " Part of Daboll’s adjustments to the Ravens’ heavy pressure was to run the ball. Fifty of the Bills’ 104 rushing yards on the day came early in the second quarter, thanks to smart play calls and Allen’s checks at the line of scrimmage. In the passing game, Daboll decided to go more empty. Doing so against a “diamond” front or frequent blitzes allows the quarterback to see where the extra rushers are coming from and limits their ability to disguise those pressures." So, did Allen have the latitude to decide to throw deep so often in that Ravens game? Does he have the ability to change the play call at the LoS depending on what he sees from the defense? It would be nice to know if it was Allen changing the play from a run to a pass or was the play call a deep pass? The Bills series in the first quarter went Punt, Punt, Punt, Fumble with two sacks along the way. Nine pass attempts vs four rush attempts. The Bills first series in the second quarter the Bills went with six straight runs by Singletary for two first downs and another run by Allen for another first down. Three passes and seven runs and the result was a FG. A very positive result that negated the pass rush and ended with a score. Eight rush attempts vs three pass attempts. The next Bills series they went with Gore 2x runs vs four passes and a sack, Punt! Questions: why go away from Singletary in the run game and why start throwing more again? Next series with 1:58 left in the first half on the Ravens 49 from a Ravens turnover. INT. Bills went Pass, pass, pass, pass, sack, pass, FG. In the second half the Bills went pass happy again. First series, sack / fumble, penalty on Balt 15 yards, pass, pass, run, pass, pass, FG. That one drive with six straight runs by Singletary the Bills drove down the field and scored. By running so much it took away the Ravens ability to sack Allen and took the ball out of Allen's hands who was having a very erratic day passing. I don't get all the pass plays after the Bills moved the ball so well by running, especially with Allen hurting his ankle. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted December 12, 2019 Share Posted December 12, 2019 9 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: Good Eric Turner article in the Athletic breaking down the Ravens defensive fronts, some of the breakdowns in the Bills protections, and the reason the Bills use so many empty sets (counterintuitively, it's to help Allen identify blitzes) Athletic, paywall. I think there's a trial. -he does point out (as Allen acknowledged and as others have) that there were open short quick throws Allen could have taken -as an aside, points out where Ravens got away with holding on several occasions to bottle up the "solution" the play was designed to have. -very interesting breakdowns of all the stunts and delayed blitzes Martindale dialed up and how Knox wound up 1 on 1 with Judon -counter-intuitively, points out that empty sets are used to allow Allen to see where the blitzers are coming from! and limit disguise (of course, it also limits protection): " Part of Daboll’s adjustments to the Ravens’ heavy pressure was to run the ball. Fifty of the Bills’ 104 rushing yards on the day came early in the second quarter, thanks to smart play calls and Allen’s checks at the line of scrimmage. In the passing game, Daboll decided to go more empty. Doing so against a “diamond” front or frequent blitzes allows the quarterback to see where the extra rushers are coming from and limits their ability to disguise those pressures." Eric Turner? Is that the Cover1 dude? If so not a fan. Oh and its spelled Erik FYI Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaattMaann Posted December 12, 2019 Share Posted December 12, 2019 4 minutes ago, SlimShady'sGhost said: Eric Turner? Is that the Cover1 dude? If so not a fan. Oh and its spelled Erik FYI curious, why? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted December 12, 2019 Share Posted December 12, 2019 35 minutes ago, PaattMaann said: curious, why? He used to post here and I thought his analysis got worse and worse over time. If you can't stand the heat in the kitchen (TBD) leave and then ask people to follow you and pay. I prefer ASTRO 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haslett_Stomp Posted December 12, 2019 Share Posted December 12, 2019 2 hours ago, Nihilarian said: So, did Allen have the latitude to decide to throw deep so often in that Ravens game? Does he have the ability to change the play call at the LoS depending on what he sees from the defense? It would be nice to know if it was Allen changing the play from a run to a pass or was the play call a deep pass? The Bills series in the first quarter went Punt, Punt, Punt, Fumble with two sacks along the way. Nine pass attempts vs four rush attempts. The Bills first series in the second quarter the Bills went with six straight runs by Singletary for two first downs and another run by Allen for another first down. Three passes and seven runs and the result was a FG. A very positive result that negated the pass rush and ended with a score. Eight rush attempts vs three pass attempts. The next Bills series they went with Gore 2x runs vs four passes and a sack, Punt! Questions: why go away from Singletary in the run game and why start throwing more again? Next series with 1:58 left in the first half on the Ravens 49 from a Ravens turnover. INT. Bills went Pass, pass, pass, pass, sack, pass, FG. In the second half the Bills went pass happy again. First series, sack / fumble, penalty on Balt 15 yards, pass, pass, run, pass, pass, FG. That one drive with six straight runs by Singletary the Bills drove down the field and scored. By running so much it took away the Ravens ability to sack Allen and took the ball out of Allen's hands who was having a very erratic day passing. I don't get all the pass plays after the Bills moved the ball so well by running, especially with Allen hurting his ankle. Completely agree with this post, especially with the last paragraph. I said to my wife during that drive, "wow, they are running it down the Ravens' throats", something that I had not expected given the pregame hype about how physical the Ravens are/were. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CLTbills Posted December 12, 2019 Share Posted December 12, 2019 12 hours ago, atlbillsfan1975 said: So Allen saw where the blitzes were coming from, did anyone else? Yes, but when there are 5 guys to block 6 rushers, you still lose out on the math unless Allen can get the ball out quick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atlbillsfan1975 Posted December 12, 2019 Share Posted December 12, 2019 1 hour ago, CLTbills said: Yes, but when there are 5 guys to block 6 rushers, you still lose out on the math unless Allen can get the ball out quick. Blocking is part of it, receivers breaking off routes has something to do with it as well. The QB and receivers being in sync on those hot routes is the another piece. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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