The Impeachment Trial of President Donald J. Trump

[snafu]

5 minutes ago, Albwan said:

whats the over and under for how many bombshells that will drop before wed

 

I’d be shocked it some unverified story doesn’t get released.

[Bob in Mich]

38 minutes ago, dubs said:

I’m always perplexed by the people who constantly throw out the bullet point: “trump always lies”, yet take as gospel everything that proven and notorious liar, Adam Schiff says. Schiff was on TV for three years lying to the American public about a the Russia hoax and has been lying that he doesn’t know who the “whistleblower” is. 
 

Trump is certainly no saint and I’m sure he’s lied about many things in his life, but I’m curious as to what exactly the trump haters are referring to when they always say, “trump lies”.  And how those lies stack up to at least two attempts that we know of to overthrow the will of the American people through the election process and negate the results of a free and fair election. 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2019/12/16/president-trump-has-made-false-or-misleading-claims-over-days/

[Albwan]

   Today I met with my liberal friend for my twice a year argument and headache.

I said lets just not talk politics. He agreed. So, he sells houses and tells me how the 

house selling is booming...yet he mentions 4x the govt deficit. Now I know this

guy and know when he's fishing. I don't bite. Finally he drops the bombshell:

We wouldn't have a horrible deficit if not for the 2016 Trump tax break.

 

LOL....You can't talk to these people. 

Edited February 1, 2020 by Albwan

[Bob in Mich]

5 minutes ago, Rob's House said:

 

The better question is why are they trying to keep it a secret?

 

A government agent announces he is attempting a coup that is underway, then the same agent becomes the center of a secret coordinated effort to remove the President. 

 

If investigating the corruption of a political opponent is cause for removal, it seems obvious that an attempted coup is pretty serious. Something the deeply concerned patriots with such high standards of propriety and transparency would want us to know about.

 

But for some unknown reason it is of the utmost importance that Eric Ciamarella's name not be uttered - especially on the record.

 

It's oddly inconsistent that the same patriots with such deep and genuine concerns for all facts, witnesses, and documents coming to light are also the people who are adamant that neither the Senate nor the public learn anything about the the people who initiated all of this.

 

We've already explained the absurdity of the proffered explanation that it's to protect his safety. No one still believes that. But they're still terrified of having his name mentioned on the record. That's odd. What are they afraid of?

 

If they have nothing to hide, why keep it a secret?

 

Please, can you explain why you like to put his name out there more than it is already if not to further endanger the guy?  You missed that question apparently

[Rob's House]

Just now, Bob in Mich said:

 

Please, can you explain why you like to put his name out there more than it is already if not to further endanger the guy?  You missed that question apparently

 

Can you explain why putting his name out there bothers you?

 

Can you answer the question I posed in the post you're quoting?

[LSHMEAB]

3 hours ago, Foxx said:

you've seen his exact words?

 

please post a link, i would like to see them myself.

 

TYIA

OK. When the book comes out and his words match the reports, THEN the slander will begin. And you KNOW it will. You a betting man?

 

I don't even care about this Ukraine nonsense, but I'm finding that both sides of the aisle have gone insane. We were on the brink of World War 3 because Trump executed orders to kill Soleimani! Trump had zero corrupt(personal interest) intent in his dealings with Ukraine and was simply rooting out corruption because he's a hero like that!

 

What a world.

Edited February 1, 2020 by LSHMEAB

[Bob in Mich]

10 minutes ago, Rob's House said:

 

Can you explain why putting his name out there bothers you?

 

Can you answer the question I posed in the post you're quoting?

"If they have nothing to hide, why keep it a secret? "

 

I stated five times why I think it is a bad idea.  Even if a political operative, increased danger in this environment is not necessary.   I suspect many want, but won't admit, the whistle blower to be punished and if physically punished, they would be giddy and would claim he deserved it. 

 

Was hoping for a different take but didnt really think there was one.

 

You did not answer my question yet

Edited February 1, 2020 by Bob in Mich

[dubs]

16 minutes ago, Bob in Mich said:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2019/12/16/president-trump-has-made-false-or-misleading-claims-over-days/

Can you articulate one lie. A meaningful lie that rises to the level of lying about a foreign country conspiring with a presidential candidate to rig an election. 
 

fact is that you can’t make a single argument on your own regarding one lie, so you post this piece of hyperbolic garbage from the Compost. 

[Bob in Mich]

2 minutes ago, dubs said:

Can you articulate one lie. A meaningful lie that rises to the level of lying about a foreign country conspiring with a presidential candidate to rig an election. 
 

fact is that you can’t make a single argument on your own regarding one lie, so you post this piece of hyperbolic garbage from the Compost. 

Good Night idiot

[dubs]

8 minutes ago, Bob in Mich said:

Good Night idiot

I’ll take that as a defeated no, nerd.

 

Let me educate you a little....
 

I took the time to read that garbage you linked. They actually cited the fact that trump referred to his call with Ukraine as “perfect” as a ‘lie’ or ‘misleading statement’. Now, I agree that it’s not the best way to describe the call, but to add that to some made up statistic as evidence of lies is a joke. 

Edited February 1, 2020 by dubs

[LSHMEAB]

25 minutes ago, Albwan said:

   Today I met with my liberal friend for my twice a year argument and headache.

I said lets just not talk politics. He agreed. So, he sells houses and tells me how the 

house selling is booming...yet he mentions 4x the govt deficit. Now I know this

guy and know when he's fishing. I don't bite. Finally he drops the bombshell:

We wouldn't have a horrible deficit if not for the 2016 Trump tax break.

 

LOL....You can't talk to these people. 

You can't talk to them without a coherent response. That much is true. The deficit is unsustainable. You can't slash taxes without making unpopular cuts to social programs that many on the right rely upon. That's the conundrum. 

 

That's why I've always had respect for Paul Ryan. He doesn't beat around the bush. He would have the stones to campaign on cuts to education, SOCIAL SECURITY, healthcare, etc. 

 

The tax cuts will absolutely NOT pay for themselves, so something has to give. Trump is running around acting like he's diligently working to protect the ACA's pre-existing condition clause, which is pure nonsense.

 

Just keep it real and you're perfectly capable of having an HONEST debate.

[Deranged Rhino]

24 minutes ago, LSHMEAB said:

I don't even care about this Ukraine nonsense, but I'm finding that both sides of the aisle have gone insane. We were on the brink of World War 3 because Trump executed orders to kill Soleimani!

 

This is insane, you know that, right? 

 

We were never on the brink of WW3. The people who pushed that fear mongering are the very same folks who lied us into war in Iraq for "WMD", and directly profit from endless war. They've tried, several times, to box Trump in and make him choose war (or, our old foreign policy) and every time he's gotten out of it. If you don't realize by now that Trump wants world peace to be his legacy, you haven't been paying close enough attention. 

 

Trump is CiC. Soleimani was a very bad guy who had no business being in Iraq but to sow more chaos. Taking him out saved lives. 

 

[LSHMEAB]

Just now, Deranged Rhino said:

 

This is insane, you know that, right? 

 

We were never on the brink of WW3. The people who pushed that fear mongering are the very same folks who lied us into war in Iraq for "WMD", and directly profit from endless war. They've tried, several times, to box Trump in and make him choose war (or, our old foreign policy) and every time he's gotten out of it. If you don't realize by now that Trump wants world peace to be his legacy, you haven't been paying close enough attention. 

 

Trump is CiC. Soleimani was a very bad guy who had no business being in Iraq but to sow more chaos. Taking him out saved lives. 

 

I was being facetious and citing an example of the left's hysteria over every move Trump makes.

[Deranged Rhino]

18 minutes ago, Bob in Mich said:

"If they have nothing to hide, why keep it a secret? "

 

I stated five times why I think it is a bad idea.  Even if a political operative, increased danger in this environment is not necessary.   I suspect many want, but won't admit, the whistle blower to be punished and if physically punished, they would be giddy and would claim he deserved it. 

 

Was hoping for a different take but didnt really think there was one.

 

You did not answer my question yet

 

There you go, badgering someone to answer you again... 

 

Meanwhile, you still haven't answered the question about your complete lack of interest in Nunes being targeted. Unlike EC, he's a legit whistleblower whose life actually was in danger (to the point of needing added security for his family in CA). Funny how you never said boo about that... 

 

Just now, LSHMEAB said:

I was being facetious and citing an example of the left's hysteria over every move Trump makes.

 

In that case:   

 

 

[Rob's House]

42 minutes ago, Bob in Mich said:

"If they have nothing to hide, why keep it a secret? "

 

I stated five times why I think it is a bad idea.  Even if a political operative, increased danger in this environment is not necessary.   I suspect many want, but won't admit, the whistle blower to be punished and if physically punished, they would be giddy and would claim he deserved it. 

 

Was hoping for a different take but didnt really think there was one.

 

You did not answer my question yet

 

You haven't answered mine yet either. Not honestly anyway. You're sticking to a nonsensical talking point you can't support.

 

That's why people give you a hard time about lacking independent thought and critical thinking skills. We all have cognitive biases, but you seem to be more affected than most.

 

I talk about Eric Ciaramella because 1. He's central to the topic we're discussing, 2. I think he's involved in nefarious activities that should be exposed, 3. There is no reason not to, and 4. because the people covering up his surreptitious plot don't want me to.

Edited February 1, 2020 by Rob's House

[Foxx]

4 hours ago, Bob in Mich said:

 

What ya drinking?  lol  This is getting funny at this point. You state that I posted the following:

 

"Would you want your name and address exposed even on this board ?  There are enough borderline posters here that I think you would be in some greater danger. "

 

Then you state that is a poor way of wording a point about increased danger?  That is kinda amazing even for here, Foxx.

 

The other point is still unanswered.  It is that if the name is known to many and the point of publicizing it further is not to increase danger to the guy, why keep repeating it?  What is being gained by that effort if not to endanger?

wow.

[Foxx]

2 hours ago, Rob's House said:

 

Can you explain why putting his name out there bothers you?

 

Can you answer the question I posed in the post you're quoting?

he's trying to drag you down to his level so he can't beat you to death with his stupidity club.

[LSHMEAB]

4 hours ago, Nanker said:

Just wanted to add how impressed I am with the wit behind this particular response re John/Michael Bolton. "Why not just go by Mike?" "Says here you've been missing alot of work Peter." "I wouldn't say I've been MISSING it." (Hey, I'm on a Bills message board at home on a Saturday Night).

 

I don't care how you feel about politics, but if you don't like Office Space, there is something deeply wrong with you.

[/dev/null]

1 minute ago, LSHMEAB said:

Just wanted to add how impressed I am with the wit behind this particular response re John/Michael Bolton. "Why not just go by Mike?" "Says here you've been missing alot of work Peter." "I wouldn't say I've been MISSING it." (Hey, I'm on a Bills message board at home on a Saturday Night).

 

I don't care how you feel about politics, but if you don't like Office Space, there is something deeply wrong with you.

 

 

[Foxx]

2 hours ago, LSHMEAB said:

OK. When the book comes out and his words match the reports, THEN the slander will begin. And you KNOW it will. You a betting man?

 

I don't even care about this Ukraine nonsense, but I'm finding that both sides of the aisle have gone insane. We were on the brink of World War 3 because Trump executed orders to kill Soleimani! Trump had zero corrupt(personal interest) intent in his dealings with Ukraine and was simply rooting out corruption because he's a hero like that!

 

What a world.

okay, great. i didn't think you knew what was said.