The Real Reason Why the Colts' Fans were Booing Andrew Luck

[Gugny]

1 minute ago, DrDawkinstein said:

It was a raw, gut reaction in the heat of the moment to the worst possible way to "announce" (read:leak) the retirement.

 

I don't excuse the fans for their behavior, but I understand it.

 

It was still a ***** move on the fans part, and one I'm sure they'll regret and want to forget in the long run.

 

Very, very similar to when Toronto fans cheered when Durant went down.  Knee-jerk/spontaneous reaction.  They are still great fans.

[eball]

I'm booing this original post loudly.

[Chandler#81]

[Doc]

46 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

Why?

 

With just 2 weeks to go before the season starts, I think it's obvious.  And the Colts are apparently not going after the unamortized portion of his signing bonus.  Bad move.  He's not coming back so take back what they're entitled to get.

Edited August 29, 2019 by Doc

[Mr. WEO]

2 hours ago, Doc said:

 

With just 2 weeks to go before the season starts, I think it's obvious.  And the Colts are apparently not going after the unamortized portion of his signing bonus.  Bad move.  He's not coming back so take back what they're entitled to get.

 

If that's when he was sure of his decision, then that's when he decided.  It's not a "move".

 

The Colts are well aware of what they are entitled to.  So what?

 

He retired.  They rewarded him for the suffering he endured there, likely as an acknowledgement that they brought this upon themselves and him.

 

What's your problem with any of this?

[BringBackFergy]

15 hours ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

If true, well....of course they were!  Why wouldn't they??  What FO would NOT try to talk him out of it, even for another season?  

 

So what?

 

What the theorists are saying is that he was paid off to delay the announcement for a month or two, as though, after going 10-6 and Luck having a great season, some potential season ticket buyers would......wait until training camp to pull the trigger on those tickets.  And don't they have a waiting list?

 

That's as silly as it sounds.

Uhhhh, if your franchise QB was going to retire, maybe one would think about discontinuing their tickets, purchasing gear, paying more to the Colts in general.  Have to look at things a few different ways good sir.

[BringBackFergy]

15 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

If that's when he was sure of his decision, then that's when he decided.  It's not a "move".

 

The Colts are well aware of what they are entitled to.  So what?

 

He retired.  They rewarded him for the suffering he endured there, likely as an acknowledgement that they brought this upon themselves and him.

 

What's your problem with any of this?

Once again, try to look at things from a different perspective. I see your point...a reward, a pat on the back. Now look at it differently: It was a reward for delaying the announcement so Irsay could pocket extra cash. Once Irsay made this plan known to Luck, the Golden Boy with Neck Beard was complicit in the ploy to maximize revenue from unsuspecting fans.

 

There's two sides to every story and this one is just starting.

[Mr. WEO]

3 minutes ago, BringBackFergy said:

Uhhhh, if your franchise QB was going to retire, maybe one would think about discontinuing their tickets, purchasing gear, paying more to the Colts in general.  Have to look at things a few different ways good sir.

 

Did the season ticket holders do that in droves when Manning (who would go on to 2 more SB and win another ring with Denver) was kicked to the curb by the Colts?  No.

 

Anda gain, your theory depends on a large number of season ticket buyers to wait until this summer to decide if they would buy.  That's an extremely unlikely scenario--after last season ended, it's far more likely people were running to buy seasons for the Colts.  If you were a Colts fan and were dumb enough to wait until camp started......and still waited while Luck was no where to be found, you would deserve no sympathy.

 

So, you aren't making a strong argument, or much sense.

2 minutes ago, BringBackFergy said:

Once again, try to look at things from a different perspective. I see your point...a reward, a pat on the back. Now look at it differently: It was a reward for delaying the announcement so Irsay could pocket extra cash. Once Irsay made this plan known to Luck, the Golden Boy with Neck Beard was complicit in the ploy to maximize revenue from unsuspecting fans.

 

There's two sides to every story and this one is just starting.

 

 

See above.  If you are that unsuspecting, you should surrender all of your wealth to the next stranger you come across.

 

In other words, it didn't happen that way because it makes no sense.  Irsay gave away far more than he could have made in return.

[LOVEMESOMEBILLS]

8 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

Did the season ticket holders do that in droves when Manning (who would go on to 2 more SB and win another ring with Denver) was kicked to the curb by the Colts?  No.

 

Anda gain, your theory depends on a large number of season ticket buyers to wait until this summer to decide if they would buy.  That's an extremely unlikely scenario--after last season ended, it's far more likely people were running to buy seasons for the Colts.  If you were a Colts fan and were dumb enough to wait until camp started......and still waited while Luck was no where to be found, you would deserve no sympathy.

 

So, you aren't making a strong argument, or much sense.

Not if Luck had told them in March as a few outlets have reported. It would encompass the entire Spring also. I don't really believe Luck held off for months, but on the other hand I also wasn't there. I just want to keep this thread chugging along.??

Edited August 29, 2019 by LOVEMESOMEBILLS

[Gugny]

8 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

Did the season ticket holders do that in droves when Manning (who would go on to 2 more SB and win another ring with Denver) was kicked to the curb by the Colts?  No.

 

Anda gain, your theory depends on a large number of season ticket buyers to wait until this summer to decide if they would buy.  That's an extremely unlikely scenario--after last season ended, it's far more likely people were running to buy seasons for the Colts.  If you were a Colts fan and were dumb enough to wait until camp started......and still waited while Luck was no where to be found, you would deserve no sympathy.

 

So, you aren't making a strong argument, or much sense.

 

 

See above.  If you are that unsuspecting, you should surrender all of your wealth to the next stranger you come across.

 

In other words, it didn't happen that way because it makes no sense.  Irsay gave away far more than he could have made in return.

 

Did he, though?  What about sponsorships and endorsements?  Keeping this announcement close to the vest for as long as possible EASILY could have saved him the $21 million he's paying Luck to be quiet about it.

[Mr. WEO]

42 minutes ago, LOVEMESOMEBILLS said:

Not if Luck had told them in March as a few outlets have reported. It would encompass the entire Spring also. I don't really believe Luck held off for months, but on the other hand I also wasn't there. I just want to keep this thread chugging along.??

 

PFT's Florio wrote a quick piece about "rumors flying" that the Colts knew he was thinking of retirement as far back as March.  I don't see any other article confirming this.

 

In March he went to Europe and got married.  He then started complaining there about calf pain, which was initially addressed with specialists and MRI when he got back. 

 

But what if he truly did mention that he was thinking of retiring back then.  Every FO in the NFL would be leaning HARD on him not to make that decision yet.

 

In June he said this:  "“I certainly don’t feel as young as I once did and I’m certainly also being conservative with things. It’s one of the things I learned going through my shoulder. “I certainly didn’t expect (to miss the entire spring). There’s a lot less anxiety I guess in my life about it than I had in the past about certain things. But I think trusting myself, trusting the process, trusting how things go, and working hard and still pushing yourself and expecting good progress every day is a big part of that"

40 minutes ago, Gugny said:

 

Did he, though?  What about sponsorships and endorsements?  Keeping this announcement close to the vest for as long as possible EASILY could have saved him the $21 million he's paying Luck to be quiet about it.

 

What sponsorships and endorsements companies paying for were contingent on who the starting QB is?  Companies pay to be the "official (whatever) for the (team name here)" for the visibility that the NFL enjoys beyond any other pro sport in this country.

 

You think a raft of new sponsors (I doubt these are 1 year sponsorship deals) suddenly signed on this summer?  And that they would have chosen to spend their ad money on some other local sports team instead of the Colts had they known Luck wouldn't be the QB?

 

Come on!

Edited August 29, 2019 by Mr. WEO

[LOVEMESOMEBILLS]

3 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

PFT's Florio wrote a quick piece about "rumors flying" that the Colts knew he was thinking of retirement as far back as March.  I don't see any other article confirming this.

 

In March he went to Europe and got married.  He then started complaining there about calf pain, which was initially addressed with specialists and MRI when he got back. 

 

But what if he truly did mention that he was thinking of retiring back then.  Every FO in the NFL would be leaning HARD on him not to make that decision yet.

 

In June he said this:  "“I certainly don’t feel as young as I once did and I’m certainly also being conservative with things. It’s one of the things I learned going through my shoulder. “I certainly didn’t expect (to miss the entire spring). There’s a lot less anxiety I guess in my life about it than I had in the past about certain things. But I think trusting myself, trusting the process, trusting how things go, and working hard and still pushing yourself and expecting good progress every day is a big part of that"

 

What sponsorships and endorsements companies paying for were contingent on who the starting QB is?  Companies pay to be the "official (whatever) for the (team name here)" for the visibility that the NFL enjoys beyond any other pro sport in this country.

 

You think a raft of new sponsors (I doubt these are 1 year sponsorship deals) suddenly signed on this summer?  And that they would have chosen to spend their ad money on some other local sports team instead of the Colts had they known Luck wouldn't be the QB?

 

Come on!

I believe he was considering retirement before the latest injury because as he put it he was in a "dark place". Many people believe this is tied to needing to take opiates for too long or needing taking too much to combat the pain he was constantly in. I've been there with multiple injuries requiring taking opiates for months & months at a time. By the time I was healed up enough to get me off them, I had been on them so long that they had to taper me off them so I didn't get most of the bad reactions of withdrawal.

[Doc]

2 hours ago, Mr. WEO said:

If that's when he was sure of his decision, then that's when he decided.  It's not a "move".

 

The Colts are well aware of what they are entitled to.  So what?

 

He retired.  They rewarded him for the suffering he endured there, likely as an acknowledgement that they brought this upon themselves and him.

 

What's your problem with any of this?

 

Yeah, I'm sure he just woke up the other day and decided that he was done.  It was obviously something that had been contemplating for awhile. If he'd made his feelings known months ago, the Colts could have planned for it better.  That's my problem with it.  This is little better than Vontae retiring mid-game, but at least Vontae wasn't taking up a huge chunk of the salary cap.

 

As for the unamortized signing bonus, they're hoping he changes his mind.  Other QB's have endured worse and didn't retire just weeks before the season started.  I don't know how much time they have to make a decision to pursue it but I hope they go after it.

Edited August 29, 2019 by Doc

[Mr. WEO]

Just now, Doc said:

 

Yeah, I'm sure he just woke up the other day and decided that he was done.  It was obviously something that had been contemplating for awhile. If he'd made his feelings known months ago, the Colts could have planned for it better.  That's my problem with it.  This is little better than Vontae retiring mid-game, but at least Vontae wasn't taking up a huge chunk of the salary cap.

 

As for the unamortized signing bonus, they're hoping he changes his mind.  Other QB's have endured worse and didn't retire just weeks before the season started.  I don't know how much time they have to make a decision to pursue it but I hope they go after it.

 

Of course he contemplated it for a while (who wouldn't??)!  And I'm sure anyone who suspected told him to just see how it goes during camps.  He hung in there, didn't feel better.......then he pulled the trigger.  What mystifies you here? 

 

And how could the Colts plan better for it?  Brissett has been their "starter" for the entire offseason and preseason.  What else would they have done differently?  Bring in......who?

 

As for the money, they've already said he can keep it, so why would you think they will "go after it"?

 

 

[Doc]

7 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

Of course he contemplated it for a while (who wouldn't??)!  And I'm sure anyone who suspected told him to just see how it goes during camps.  He hung in there, didn't feel better.......then he pulled the trigger.  What mystifies you here? 

 

And how could the Colts plan better for it?  Brissett has been their "starter" for the entire offseason and preseason.  What else would they have done differently?  Bring in......who?

 

As for the money, they've already said he can keep it, so why would you think they will "go after it"?

 

Yeah, Brissett is a great plan.  Good one WEO. 

 

I suspect that if you were counting on someone for something important and they flaked-out on you just weeks prior, you'd be pissed.  I suspect this is more about you laughing at Irsay than really supporting Luck because that's how you roll. 

 

And again they're holding-out hope he returns.  When they realize he isn't, they might be saying other things.

[Mr. WEO]

25 minutes ago, Doc said:

 

Yeah, Brissett is a great plan.  Good one WEO. 

 

I suspect that if you were counting on someone for something important and they flaked-out on you just weeks prior, you'd be pissed.  I suspect this is more about you laughing at Irsay than really supporting Luck because that's how you roll. 

 

And again they're holding-out hope he returns.  When they realize he isn't, they might be saying other things.

 

Can you answer my simple question?  The same report on the rumors of Luck thinking about retiring back in March said that the Colts started preparing for that possibility with Brissett.  So what other preparation would they have done months ago that what they obviously have done.

 

Irsay is laughable for sure. But the conspiracy you and others support on this issue falls apart for all of the reasons already mentioned.

 

As for Luck, I don't care either way---just pointing out that it's hardly a head scratcher that this guy in particular, after missing a huge amount of football recently, after a career of getting pummeled, has a great comeback season, then starts having some new painful issue pop up and he starts thinking of calling it quits.  You pointing out (so helpfully!) that he didn't wake up one day and decide to retire is consistent with Luck's normal human  behavior. 

 

As for Brissett, obviously it doesn't matter if I think it's a great plan (probably not), but what the Colts think.  Obviously they are high on him, having traded a former 1st round pick for him and last year reportedly turning down 2 teams trade offers for him.  SO why do you not think this was their plan since Spring?

 

Tell us, doc.

Edited August 29, 2019 by Mr. WEO

[Doc]

1 minute ago, Mr. WEO said:

Can you answer my simple question?  The same report on the rumors of Luck thinking about retiring back in March said that the Colts started preparing for that possibility with Brissett.  So what other preparation would they have done months ago that what they obviously have done.

 

Irsay is laughable for sure. But the conspiracy you and others support on this issue falls apart for all of the reasons already mentioned.

 

As for Luck, I don't care either way---just pointing out that it's hardly a head scratcher that this guy in particular, after missing a huge amount of football recently, after a career of getting pummeled, has a great comeback season, then starts having some new painful issue pop up and he starts thinking of calling it quits.  You pointing out (so helpfully!) that he didn't wake up one day and decide to retire is consistent with Luck's normal human  behavior. 

 

As for Brissett, obviously it doesn't matter if I think it's a great plan (probably not), but what the Colts think.  Obviously they are high on him, having traded a former 1st round pick for him and last year reportedly turning down 2 teams trade offers for him.  SO why do you not think this was their plan since Spring?

 

Tell us, doc.

 

Conspiracy?  Who's talking conspiracy?  I'm just saying it was a poor move on Luck's part.  I've never heard of a player retiring a couple weeks before the season started, or even a couple months before, much less one this high-profile.  And no I doubt the Colts knew and said "yeah, Brissett is our guy!"

[Mr. WEO]

6 minutes ago, Doc said:

 

Conspiracy?  Who's talking conspiracy?  I'm just saying it was a poor move on Luck's part.  I've never heard of a player retiring a couple weeks before the season started, or even a couple months before, much less one this high-profile.  And no I doubt the Colts knew and said "yeah, Brissett is our guy!"

 

This thread is based on a conspiracy.

 

Brissett has been the Colts "guy" all off season.

 

There is nothing you have suggested they could have done otherwise differently had they known (if true) that Luck was going to quit months ago.  Just as when Luck went out in 2017 and Brissett was their "guy", he is now as well.  This really could not be more clear, so why are you struggling?

 

There is nothing real to suggest that Luck didn't come to his final decision until he did, so questioning his "timing" is meaningless.

[Dr.Sack]

Colts will tank again this year.

[Doc]

2 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

This thread is based on a conspiracy.

 

Brissett has been the Colts "guy" all off season.

 

There is nothing you have suggested they could have done otherwise differently had they known (if true) that Luck was going to quit months ago.  Just as when Luck went out in 2017 and Brissett was their "guy", he is now as well.  This really could not be more clear, so why are you struggling?

 

There is nothing real to suggest that Luck didn't come to his final decision until he did, so questioning his "timing" is meaningless.

 

Thinking Luck retired now based on money (the topic of this thread) isn't even in the area code of "conspiracy."  And for all we know, it could be the reason why he waited until almost the last minute.  As you've admitted, he's been thinking about this for awhile so maybe he was contemplating the best way to keep his money because he blames them.  I don't know.  And thread topics can morph into other topics.

 

I don't care either way.  He's not my QB/they're not my team.  But it's a bad look for him and puts the Colts in a bad spot, which is good (or at least not bad) for me/my team.  Again Brissett would never be anyone's plan.  Florio's just talking out of his ass, as usual.

1 minute ago, Dr.Sack said:

Colts will tank again this year.

 

Tank for Tua?  Or Trev?